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Akash Rastogi 09-12-2008 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 781829)
Cantilevered means the axle is supported at one end or a the center, non-cantilevered the axle is supported on both sides of the wheel.
Thank you very much :)

Brandon Holley 10-12-2008 00:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lilstogi11 (Post 781830)
Thank you very much :)

just to clarify a little more for you akash...

If you look at pics of our bot last year that is a good example of non-cantilevered....254/968 are a good example of cantilevered

Joe Finkel 10-12-2008 09:34
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I don't think you will climb anything over 20 degr. with bumpers mounts in front of the wheels.

CraigHickman 10-12-2008 09:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Finkel (Post 781908)
I don't think you will climb anything over 20 degr. with bumpers mounts in front of the wheels.
You're assuming that this is the complete assembly for climbing. It was mentioned that some small changes in the event of climbing being required are easily doable on this design. One gear change per box, and 6 inch wheel instead of 4 inchers. Or, I could leave one side open and put a roller on the front, much akin the 254 during raising the bar (I think theirs was to stop them from rolling over balls, but a few small mods and it would work for ramp climbing).

EDIT: I never sleep.... I need to stop forum lurking....

jwancura 10-12-2008 16:53
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ok, so I've been looking at these West Coast drives forever, but I still can't figure out where the bearing blocks for the wheels come from. Are they an off the shelf part you can get from mcmaster by any chance? My team has no milling whatsoever so I'm stuck with finding parts from a store.

sdcantrell56 10-12-2008 16:59
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In all of the west coast designs I know of and all of the ones I have designed, the bearing blocks are custom machined parts. There really aren't any good off the shelf parts that I know of to accomplish this. You could always look around for a machine shop to donate some machine time. Many shops are very receptive to robotics stuff. You could also use some of the bearing blocks from team 221 although I don't know if they would work for what you want to do.

billbo911 10-12-2008 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwancura (Post 782031)
ok, so I've been looking at these West Coast drives forever, but I still can't figure out where the bearing blocks for the wheels come from. Are they an off the shelf part you can get from mcmaster by any chance? My team has no milling whatsoever so I'm stuck with finding parts from a store.
There are options for teams with limited machining capabilities. This link will take you to one option from Robot Market Place.

I am not advising either way with these. There are many more options like these, but it might get you headed in the right direction. A pair of these per axle should do the trick.

s_forbes 10-12-2008 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwancura (Post 782031)
ok, so I've been looking at these West Coast drives forever, but I still can't figure out where the bearing blocks for the wheels come from. Are they an off the shelf part you can get from mcmaster by any chance? My team has no milling whatsoever so I'm stuck with finding parts from a store.
The best off the shelf bearing block I have found is this one (top of the page) used for front hubs on jr. dragsters. The bearings are a little big, but the assembly looks like it could work for wheel axles. I haven't gotten to play with one... I've only seen them online. They are probably way bigger in real life than they look in the picture. :)

AdamHeard 10-12-2008 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwancura (Post 782031)
ok, so I've been looking at these West Coast drives forever, but I still can't figure out where the bearing blocks for the wheels come from. Are they an off the shelf part you can get from mcmaster by any chance? My team has no milling whatsoever so I'm stuck with finding parts from a store.
If your team has no machining resources a West Coast Drive is not a good option. If you have even basic manual mills available, it can be done very easily and simply; but if you don't have that, it will be much more difficult than other possible base designs.

I'd suggest looking into using the KOP frame (it really is awesome) if you have no resources, or try finding some resources. Opening a phonebook/google maps and calling machine shops will surprise you with the results. You'll see that there are both more local shops than you probably think, and more are more willing to help than you probably think.

EricH 10-12-2008 19:13
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Adam's right. I just did a quick Google Maps search for "machine shops Kansas City" (noting your location) and came up with quite a few.

AustinSchuh 10-12-2008 19:17
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Looks good.

Is there any reason that you have the frame extending in front of the front and back wheels? I know that in the past, one reason for this part has been so that when you ram something, you can't hit it with your wheels. But we now have bumpers, so that isn't necessary. And by removing it, you can move your front wheels up 1 inch, making it easier to climb stuff.

AdamHeard 10-12-2008 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinSchuh (Post 782106)
Looks good.

Is there any reason that you have the frame extending in front of the front and back wheels? I know that in the past, one reason for this part has been so that when you ram something, you can't hit it with your wheels. But we now have bumpers, so that isn't necessary. And by removing it, you can move your front wheels up 1 inch, making it easier to climb stuff.
You can also make the bolt tensioners work off of little end plates. This simplifies the machining of cross members as now don't have two holes ~24" apart that have to be relatively accurate.

CraigHickman 10-12-2008 19:58
Re: pic: West Coast Drive: Spokane Style
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinSchuh (Post 782106)
Looks good.

Is there any reason that you have the frame extending in front of the front and back wheels? I know that in the past, one reason for this part has been so that when you ram something, you can't hit it with your wheels. But we now have bumpers, so that isn't necessary. And by removing it, you can move your front wheels up 1 inch, making it easier to climb stuff.
It makes the mounting of side and front bumpers with a part not yet in CAD much easier. Once I get the bumper mounts finished I'll upload them and you can see why it needs the front chassis extending all the way out. (all four bumpers can be attached and removed with 8 1/4-30 bolts, all vertical facing and easy to access.)

AdamHeard 10-12-2008 20:16
Re: pic: West Coast Drive: Spokane Style
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigHickman (Post 782137)
It makes the mounting of side and front bumpers with a part not yet in CAD much easier. Once I get the bumper mounts finished I'll upload them and you can see why it needs the front chassis extending all the way out. (all four bumpers can be attached and removed with 8 1/4-30 bolts, all vertical facing and easy to access.)
If you are designing a bumper system that is easy to install and remove, why not use cotter pins?

EricH 10-12-2008 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 782162)
If you are designing a bumper system that is easy to install and remove, why not use cotter pins?
They weren't allowed last year. It had to be a bolt system.


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