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All those streets in their corresponding cities are near railroad tracks. Maybe this has something to do with it.
The first clue was a fish, right? Anyone know of any underwater (tunnel) railroads?

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yes,

there is one under the english channel

EDIT: it was a mother of an engineering feat to build too

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The Chunnel between England and France counts as one. I'll assume that subway tunnels are out (sorry, New York City), or we'd have a lot more.

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ah, ok. Thanks.

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a tunel may create a link through a "wall" and the teams go throught the tunels to play part of the game.
The game pices may be out of sight of the drivers
(the red team can see the blue robots and the blue can see the red, but they can't see their own bot

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Going off this idea, maybe there are several tunnels, and in autonomous it has to use it's camera to pick out which one gets to the item, that scores points, of course with the rugged or slick terrain thrown in there somewhere to make it a challenge.

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[IMG]H:\Documents\Pictures\map.png[/IMG]


If the image above works does anyone see something... like in the map... :confused:

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it could be like a mini golf course, where you can choose different paths to take and you get to the end faster or to the game piece faster and if this just happens to be it I bet that there will be more than just a red and blue alliance lol

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does anyone see something... like in the map... :confused:

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Any one see the fish?

bottem fin is FL
upper out line is the line
(see last post)

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If this is it, it will prbly end up being free for all, and they would have to find a way to hide the paths, underneath so teams aren't able to tell which is shorter or longer.

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Ouch! That one looks like a shark, too.

If the GDC is trying to tell us something... I don't know what it is!

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In response to the map picture, it looks like there is a sudden spike up to the north, and, I'm just guessing, it looks like it could be a ramp, and of course it's not a perfectly straight line, so uneven surface, just throwing that out there.

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A good idea, but we have to remember that FIRST needs to keep things simple to set up in terms of practice courses & at actual regionals, and the game needs to be spectator friendly.

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Yes a see the fish and a city is its mouth is near Virgina Beach???? :ahh:

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Point taken, so branching out then, and changing this a bit, the robots need to communicate to each other and be able to say I detected this item, just incase that one robot can't pick it up, it tells an alliance bot that can, so maybe a game that involves 3 totally weird objects that all have a significant different way of being picked up, that way you have 3 bots, 3 different attachments, and communicate to the specific bot that can pick the item up.

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i like the idea of ice field and as for hockey or fishing that could be fun!! i like the power bots lose their power

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I'll back the slippery surface idea. It seems to fit with both the Opah clue(it's a fish. Ignore the Moon part...)and NASA(NASA's planning a series of missions to Europa. Europa is a ice planet). As for the camera, I'm agreeing with the idea that we will have to track some sort of light(Ooooh, I can see a way to put an more advanced AI if this is so.... So tantalizing... *Reveiws methods of creating Neural Networks*).

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In the thread for Game Hint #1, somebody brought up that you can find an Opah on the stamp of Madeira, Portugal. The Flag of Madeira looks like it might be the layout of the playing field.



The blue could be icy/slick sections and the red could be a raised portion of the field.

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Well I like the thought of that layout as being the playing field, but I think the yellow should be a ramp, the red is another raised area, with the blue and white being flat, because on the map, there is that rise to the north in the middle, so big hill thing in the middle of field maybe.

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Well perhaps the communication thing and the tunnels is refering to alliance robots being on separate sides of the field

Such as Team A & B being an alliance and Team C & D being an aliance

it would be set up where Team A & D can see Team B & C's robots...and Team B & C can see team A & D's....

this would be difficult to set up though, and would need a small barrier or else there would be little room to do anything on the other side...

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Now that's an interesting idea. Building off of that, we could see something along the lines of different shaped game pieces that can be stacked on top of each other, and are worth bonus points for larger stacks or for stacking them in a more difficult arrangement.

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this is a good idea... our bots could be Modular... this is so that if we have more than 1 type of thing to pick up (lets say tetra vs soccer ball) and we got our alliance members picking up tetras we through on our soccer ball mod. and go.... this would go with the new modular C-Rio...
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on another note... i have some knowledge of the camera as i was on the beta team for 79 Krunch so ........... the camera kicks face this year and we successfully tracked a green light (preformed the rack and roll autonomous) very well while watching it all parallel on our laptop wirelessly... so watching the camera while driving is a possibility but (this might have just been us) we found lag while sending cam. data as well as joystick data at the same time.

Jerry... if your reading this can you confirm or elaborate if there are any more questions?
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Yeah, but that's kind of like the game Elevation for VEX, and I think FIRST tries to make the games different like, so it's not the same thing, but with different bots, it's not a bad thought. But how bout if they do the stacking thing, they must carry the stack of objects to a designated area, for full points, and anything that falls off, doesn't count anymore.

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Ah, didn't know VEX was doing that. Carrying the objects to a stacking area would be neat, and if they place it in your opponents start area, could lead to some interesting tactics.

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Hmmm...that is interesting, if you can watch it via laptop that would definitely be useful information to have, to determine what kind of things they could come up with that, although, would be infinite. The lag thing sounds problematic though :(

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Yes, they should give bonus points if you actually managed to get it over to the opponent's side, and add the fact that the opponent can take the objects out, so you can have the option to have a defensive bot to guard the items once there.

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Now all they have to do is remove the rule about not crashing into other robots, and we will have a very interesting game on our hands.

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Most definitely! I feel like it needs more, but it's a work in progress, maybe the addition, it has the rugged area and a slick area of the field, and the parts where you drop the items off, should be raised, so your robot had to get up a ramp, and change that one rule, and add an additional part to the robot, and if you press one of 12 buttons on the controller it would shine a colored light into the bot, and the bot would disable for a couple secs, so offensive bots could actually get the items out, it might help avoid the crash issue.

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so lets summarize what we have so far: A combination of capture the flag, with ramps and slick areas 'protecting' the game pieces, robots can use a laser tag like system to disable other robots temporally, and the for bonus points, you have to stack game pieces in your opponents base. What does CD think: best game ever?

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I personally like this game. Even though this might not be it, it sure is a suggestion for a future game.

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Ok, so far I have:

Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount;
ZAMBONI SHOP
SLIPPERY SURFACE
stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix;
MICROSOFT OR FAIR TRADE INTERNET CAFE
-robot connects to internet to communicate w/ something on field AND/OR
-microsoft WINDOWS on the field AND/OR
-something must be TRADED
drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka;
GOIN' POSTAL SHIPPING SERVICE
PACKAGES
then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover.
CRATER STADIUM FOOTBALL FIELD
-game piece is a football AND/OR
-craters on the field

Where does the fish fit in?
-football shaped
-slippery
-"deeply forked" (craters?)
-commonly given as a gift (gift => package => shipping)


All seems to fit - what do you guys think?

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I think that summarization is good, so far, I think we need to figure out is the playing field outlay, and gameplay, based on the 2 hints that we have, cause I think we have figured out both hints, as much as we can.

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Anyone here know Dean's e-mail?

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Based off me original idea
-stack objects, carry over to raised area
-field is a mix of rugged and slick terrain
-can defend items
-bots can laser the camera to disable bots for a few secs to get the objects out of the scoring area
-MAKES AWSOME GAME

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is it on his site maybe?

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got it: contactDEKA@dekaresearch.com

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I still stand on my original theory of doom.

-34 degree ramps
-4 different color objects
-multiple ramps
-King of the Kill but with objects
-Camera only used in teleop.
-I don't think robots will communicate just yet, more like drivers communicate to create a strategy.
-Not every robot is going to have a manipulator, so all robots talking will be kinda hard.
-same game piece, just different colors
-human player returns
-all the pieces are in the center and you have to score on the oppo side
-SLIPPERY FLOOR = MORE TRACTION
-two side moon thing:
one side is slippery the other is not

I have read all the posts up till now on both threads and I have to say that FIRST is awesome, these are the fastest growing threads ever!

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Well I think there are some problems with that, 1st camera only in teleop would not use it to it's full capacity, and I highly believe it will be used in autonomous, with the new control system bots can communicate to each other, and I think that should be a game element, even if it's new, game piece not sure, but they will be different in some form.

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Sorry i so meant auto. Man finals suck!

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I attempted to read most of the responses, but since I have school tomorrow morning, I couldn't read them all. If I give an idea that has already been addressed or discussed, could somebody please tell me the answer or show me where I can find it? Sorry for all the people that put in the time and effort into presenting the idea and figuring out if it's a good one.

I think that since some of the cities create a triangle it might be possible that the field might change to be a triangle shape and maybe we have 3 alliance teams. Still 3 teams on each alliance, but maybe this way they can get more teams on the field and have possibly better rankings.

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the triangle shape is probably going to end up being ramps, which I think, will end up being in the competition.

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You may know this already but just in case :) ...
There is a forum here in ChiefDelphi that is called FRC Game Design.
Each year after the official season comes to a close, Dave usually starts a new thread for the 'next' season like this one. (I say it that way because I think the GDC is way out there but, of course, I'm clueless.) If you guys think suggestions made in the hint threads are good, make a mental note to suggest them in the thread that is created after the 2009 season. That way, the ideas are sure to be viewed and not lost here in this thread - which will, by that time, be old news - very old news. Hard to believe, I know.

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Anyone know if autonomous will be hybrid again, anything announced about it? Of not announced, do the hints point to it being hybrid again?

If it is hybrid, might give some ideas to the game, perhaps.

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Not announced yet. 22 days or so, I think, before we know.

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We probably wouldn't know this early, even if the hints point to it.

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I honestly don't think that this hint adds that much more to the 1st hint, and everything that it did add, we have already said. I'm ready for a third hint!

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While we don't know yet, consider that we do have a new control system that has the capability to transmit video back to the driver station. I suspect a fair bit of R&D went in to the camera capabilities, and I would be surprised if it wasn't used in some way.

The reasoning behind the switch from autonomous to hybrid was that hybrid better simulated several types of robotic mission, particularly in space exploration where there is limited bandwidth and a significant time delay between signal transmission and reception. Likewise there are many robotic missions that need to be controlled using video.

Perhaps we will see curtains over the driver station, blocking the view of the field during "autonomous".... or perhaps the robots will start in full telop mode and the curtains will fall at the end of the match, requiring drivers to use the on-board cameras to complete one final task.

So no, we don't know... and honestly, after six years of reading these clues, I have to say that even if we DO figure out what the clues mean we won't know we've figured it out until the game is announced... but we do know that we have a new control system, and I'm willing to bet that the GDC is planning to use it to do something exciting that we could not do with the old one.


Jason

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Yeah, someone mentioned curtains earlier, and I thought that would be a very cool addition, but some did say earlier also, that they had beta tested this, and they lagged while having the laptop viewing thought the camera, and controlling the bot, so it might not happen unless they fixed that lag, which would be a cool competition, blindfolded, pretty much, and can only rely on the camera.

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I would like it to be a 4 sided rack like 07, but hey I'm just dreaming.

I'm guessing a field with little holes in it like craters along with a football shaped playing piece, most fits the "Crater Football Field" in (i think someone said Dover) and the crater like skin of the fish along with it's shape.

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What If your robot had to remove the curtains, thus the faster your alliance did it, the faster they got an actual visual advantage rather than relying on the camera. Could be a quick objective at the beginning, and maybe even bonus for doing it during autonomous.

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i already posted this earlier but, my school in phoenix is on central and we have hosted the kickoff the past couple of years. i thought this was where they got "get connected" because we reconnected with many of the teams we have faced in the past year. otherwise, the light rail is a good idea, whoever suggested it, but i wouldn't know how the GCD would know about it, as it is fairly new.

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I am not sure about a four sided rack, but I think the four part of the clue might have to do with four different types of game pieces, or a 4 player free for all, maybe, and the craters go along with rugged terrain.

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That would be an awesome addition to that kind of game, I would imagine that doing that with a camera as your only visual would actually be very difficult, and they would have to make the curtains a certain color, so the y can be easily detected.

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The delay from when the camera captures an image until it is displayed on the driver station varies between two and five seconds. Most drivers would find this to be infuriatingly slow.

However, with the processing power on the robot, the pattern matching, color detection, or pixel counting happens in a few hundred milliseconds. The robot reaction time with imaging processing is actually faster than the driver can react with full visibility of the field.

Though it might be fun to have the camera image at the driver station, it is unlikely to provide the driver any edge during the game.

jerry

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Yes you did, but you post your team number in your profile as being "911", so we can't tell what team you're really on.
The GDC knows everything! ;)

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Well that's interesting, to bad about the 2-5 sec. delays. It could provide a edge if it were a curtain game, but I'm not sure how well that idea would work out now, reading your comment.

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I was wondering if drive could be a golf reference. There is a place called Bogey Pro on Minnetonka (15109 Minnetonka Industrial Rd Minnetonka, MN 55345-2112). Golf bots anyone?

Alternately the drive and pickup references could be a car dealership reference, but I only see Minnetonka Motors (15115 Minnetonka Industrial Rd Minnetonka, MN 55345-2112)

The ice arena that was mentioned before is on Williston, but that intersects with Minnetonka Blvd. Considering the first clue seems to line up with Zamboni an ice arena would be a good fit, but I'm not convinced.

Goin Postal as mentioned before is also a good fit, but I can't figure out where that clue would lead us. Mailbox? We'll be moving boxes? Postal? We'll have to climb a post? And there is the possibility that it could mean it's a shooting game, but that kinda seems in poor taste for a FIRST clue.

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thanks for that, all fixed now.

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One of the tasks for teams when doing testing for the viability of hydrogen fuels cells as a power source was to create a rough game that used the fuel cells based on what the team found. 1816 roughed out a game that sounds somewhat similar to what you are saying here. So, something along those lines has actually been submitted to FIRST and it has been a few years now since that was submitted.
-Ryan

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Ah. I didn't know that. Thanks.

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I just recently looked at this clue and took a little different approach at deciphering it than others. I took this set of numbers as Cartesian coordinates to a vector that points outward. If the earth's center was placed at the origin, the vector would point to 76.4095839 degrees north latitude and 59.21185 degrees west longitude. I determined this by using the spherical coordinate system parametrization to convert to latitude and longitude. This is a point near the shore of Greenland (see below). This could also point to some sort of ice in the game??? Any thoughts about this approach?

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even if it doesn't come out to be true, thanks for the effort.

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What set of numbers?

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well isent the greenland ice cap the biggest in the world?

oh, and dover england? are we crossing the channel?:D

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Maybe the name of the game this year will be "Shoot for the moon!" :rolleyes:

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Four different locations:
Paramount refers to the west,
Phoenix refers to the south,
Minnetonka, the north,
and Dover, Delaware is east.

Compasses involved in the game?
Those have been previewed in the last couple of years.

Four different tasks, one that can be completed in each location?

Or am I taking it too literally?

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Last night, after dinner out with friends, including CDs resident Grammar Curmudgeon, the beautiful KarenH and I were musing on the #2 clue as we drove home. Since it was still fairly early and we only live about 10 minutes away (in good traffic, like at 9:30pm) we decided that the best way to extend the evening was to go see what is really on Colorado in Paramount, CA. Boots (or tires) on the ground beat internet speculation any day.

Colorado Ave parallels Paramount Blvd, a major north-south street in the area. It is one short block west of Paramount. Most of the lots on the Paramount side are commercial and most on the west side are some form of residential. There are exceptions in both cases.

Colorado Ave has three sections.

The Northern section has a children's dentist and the back side of several businesses. Including a furniture store and a mexican restaurant. The rest of the lots are multi-family residential (duplexes)

South of Roscrans, a major east-west street, Colorado Ave gets swallowed into a giant swap meet for several blocks. The middle section is mostly residential but there were two businesses of interest. One was a printer (one way to make your mark) and the other a gasket store called Bentley's. The gasket place also deals in appliances and HVAC equipment. The east side of the street had some apartment buildings and the west side was mostly single family homes. This section ends as the back way into a strip mall on Paramount.

The southern section ends between City Hall and the local hospital (the body shop?). In about the middle of this section is the place in the attached picture. Across the street was some kind of equipment yard with many high lift forklifts, lighting trucks and other heavy equipment. It had a gate onto Colorado, but it was apparently not the main entrance. This area seemed to be small manufacturing/commercial but there were not many names on buildings and it was hard to tell were one place ended and the next began. Zamboni seemed to take up their entire block. They are BTW at the corner of Colorado and Madison. A coincidence? There was also a lumber yard in this area, the main entrance was on Paramount but they had a back gate onto Colorado.

While there are other things it could be, Zamboni (whether it applies to the ice resurfacing machines or their apparel line) is a strong candidate as the answer to this part of the riddle. But what does it tell us about the game? that we will be playing on a slippery surface or one that needs to be reconditioned frequently? or just that they are saving money by not turning the heat on in the arenas? Anybody want to make detailed investigations of the other locations?

Time to go do something useful, before I have to go visit Bentley

ChrisH

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Nice work! Looks very icy. It goes along very well with EricH's theory that he had at the begining of this thread.....

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I think somebody looked up last year's clue by mistake. Sometimes we forget the Inernet is persistent as well as ephemeral.

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Wow, that's pretty good! It would line up with how the GDC uses hints.

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Considering who figured out the 2006 clue, or part of it, I'm not so sure that's a coincidence.

I was thinking someone should drive out there and investigate.:)

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It also states on page 2-5 of the FRC Programming Guide:

"You can send image data to the host computer or perform live front panel debugging only during development, not during the FRC competition."

So that pretty much makes official what you were saying is already fairly unreasonable. Only the image processing VIs.. as it should be!

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We tried searching everything in google maps and no luck with any kind of image that would've showed up. We also tried zoming out at every stage and could'nt see anything.

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We tried using the camera to drive during our initial shakedown of the Beta system. We found that the delay increased dramatically as the robot got further away from the control station and after a certain range was exceeded we lost the signal entirely. That range was not much more than the length of the field. We decided that driving by video is not going to happen just yet, even in practice.

We have just started playing with the camera again to see how it performs for tracking objects etc. We were quite impressed with the ability of the color sensing VI to accurately track and determine image size in a wide variety of lighting conditions. You can see the pictures on the FIRST forum here: http://forums.usfirst.org/showpost.p...34&postcount=1

You can almost play in the dark. The whole setup seems to be much less sensitive to lighting variations. We are thinking that it will add a whole new dimension to the game.

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Did anyone notice that the aerial view of the Phoenix location looks like a circle-triangle-square?

link

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So we've got some notice of teamwork for "Central in Phoenix", obviously.
We've got a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka, which seems to be a lake with a lot of ice fishing, and we had an arctic fish for the first game hint.
There's a football field on Evergreen in Dover...

Now the only one that isn't all that obvious is the first one.

What sort of shape do all the points make on the map? Is it a loop? I heard some of them make a triangle, but is that all 4 of them, and one of them is just inbetween a line?

And no, I haven't read every single post yet.

EDIT: Oh, and also. I think I have some more thought on the thing. With the additional processing power, there must be a reason behind the upgrade, so I'm going to take a wild guess that maybe "getting connected" doesn't mean teamwork, but instead swapping to tele-operated mode. Which could mean it's autonomous for the first portion, just like last year.

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Continuing to chum the waters with random trivia, there is a type of battery called a Zamboni pile. Certainly a battery could "get connected".

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See ChrisH's post on that. He lives in the area. Note the Zamboni company being on the street.

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If this game does turn out to be capture the flag, then YAY!!!:D

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I think some of my brain's magic smoke leaked out trying to think about this. It seems to me that we need to think more outside the box than we have previously. My head hurts thinking about it.:confused:

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This is what i meant.... just said smarter... and with more actual data :(

During autonomous.. when your not sending picture data... the camera was very responsive and we got our camera to follow a green light easily (we were only held back by our servos ability's)

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And just when I was feeling good about the Zamboni clue I found the Paramount ME™ Robotic Telescope System in Golden Colorado. link

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There is a Paramount Theater in Colorado as well... right in downtown Denver. lol :ahh:

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The Moonfish = Moon = Round/ Circles for the game, or footballs because of it's shape.

"Take your machine out of the shop" Drive out of the starting zone.

"Stop by and get connected" Reference to Autonomous Mode? Perhaps we have to send data to the robot, or connect to a program?

"Drive by and make a pickup." Pick up the game pieces, and based on the next line it sounds like it's "off" the field? Or maybe tiered levels.

"Then head to the field." Field, "Broad, Level, Open expanse of land" If the field has levels, maybe that's where we end the game.

I have no idea what the names of cities/lakes/streets mean, I was just looking at the actions, not the places as well. Back to work.... or back to surfing Delphi :P

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Littleswimmer14:
I think you're exactly right but try this out:

1. Take your machine out of the shop - Starting out on a platform maybe?

2. Stop by and get connected - Maybe either picking up a 'trailer' or connecting to another robot?

3. Drive by and make a pickup - Putting something into the trailer (could be either by dumping or picking something up and dropping it)?

4. Then head to the field - Take the somethings and place them in a scoring position?

What do you think?

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i think this forum is dead (dying)... we've pretty much covered it all(or so we think) ...
if anyone else has any brand new ideas...... lets see um..

also... on a side note... is a member of team pink reading these? I've got a question...:P

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I think if we get "connected" it'll be with an upgraded version of that IR board.

Maybe we'll be interfacing with the field or other robots through that?

I foresee the return of a few things:
Hybrid Mode
Vision Camera Benefits
IR-Communication
End Game bonuses
Alliances (2 or 3)

and some more things that i'm toying with in my mind.... hmmm

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Just a repost so we don't have to loook at the first post for the clue...

So do the cities have any reall meaning to this or is it just part of the riddle?

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We've been debating that for some 20 pages now. I say they were included as red herrings, others disagree. Take your best guess.

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It means they want to promote good health and physically active students --return of the human player!:yikes:

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[House impersonation]
Everything has meaning! Even the semicolons have meaning! Now get back to overanalyzing the clue!
[/House impersonation]

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I've finished reading all 20 pages.

Can I get my 30 minutes back?

I think the game piece is a football shaped object. They will be strewn all over the field in a random fashion.

The robots are the Zamboni s, cleaning the slippery surface (something other than carpet) of the rough terrain.

The camera will detect which color of dumping station to go to to collect the points. Since the OPHA fish has those high fins, there may even be an added element to shoot the footballs through an elevated target for increased points.

The controller's ability to communicate with other robots on the field? Perhaps there is a twist to autonomous that hasn't been revealed yet.

That's it. I'm done on this thread.

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I don't see your point...

Something me and my teacher have been discussing as a scenario is having a certain coloured game piece/area/thing and having to find that piece/area/thing in autonomous mode.

Another possibility we found was having a raised platform with a hole and some coloured game pieces in the whole, so that the robot has to pick up the pieces autonomously, deciding which colour to pick (as the driver could not see):

square in middle is blue or red block. Driver can't see block.

Moonfish: kind of like fishing
Fancy camera: must be used for this
Uneven surface: check.

Just a thought.:]

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"stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix"

At the intersection on North and South Central Avenues in Phoenix is Patriots Square Park.
One of the unique features about this park is an underground parking garage accessed via tunnels.

"then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover"

Yes and the west portal to the EuroTunnel is located in Dover, UK. Just south of the tunnel entrance you'll find Evergreen Gardenwork.

So passing objects from one level to another, or robots on different levels isn't all that far fetched.

Ah, and for those Discworld fans out there.

Yes, but Moist is no longer Going Postal, he's Making Money. Therefore, me thinks the Color of Magic is Green and the green light will be returning! :P

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See the picture. That's all I'm saying.


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anyone wanna bet that the 3rd clue, if there is one, will be a square? triangle, circleish thing, square? just for fun? who knows!

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I have compiled a table of past games and made a prediction of the 2009 game. On even years the game object is a ball, on odd years the game is Tic-Tac-Toe, and after the 2004 game used the IR sensor the next three years used the CMU cam.
With the new control system being able to track colors with the new camera, I am predicting we will be using the camera to track different objects. I think we will have to use the camera to pick out red or blue bins during autonomous mode for bonus points and then stack them in a Tic-Tac-Toe style group.