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It is a map of the US and we have to leave from colorado
"Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount;"
Then get connected aka pick something up in Central in Phoenix;
Trhen drive by and make a pick up using what we got connected with on Minnetonka in Minnetonka; then we bring it to a field in Evergreen in Dover.

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FTC is competing already. FRC has no released field images/drawings/fields yet, and won't until January 3, 2009.

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thats what i thought. i thought it might have been a typo because t and r are right next to each other. oh, a possible lead...all in minnetonka MN, minnetonka industrial road, evergreen park, and civic central park. ??? interesting yes?

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Anyone get the reference to 42 degrees?

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what do you mean?

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O = Optional
P = Player
A = Autonomous
H = Hybrid

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I'm sorry to bring this back, but this picture makes me laugh, and at the same time, deeply disturbs me.

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nice thought!!!

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It would be really funny to see this in his introduction this season, just like the dancing Krispy Kremes. ;) :D

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stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix;
drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka;

hmm... thinking about these two lines makes one thing pop into my mind trains, trains connect to multiple trail cars and have central hubs and its also relevant to making pickups

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Starting zone for the bots will be "ice" or an HDPE-like area relating to the Zamboni company & the test rink that the company built there on Colorado Ave, in Paramount, CA.

Around the area of Central Ave, in Phoenix, AZ there is a freeway that goes under part of that road & a park (Hance Park).
We will need to navigate under something rather large (more than a railing - more like something with limited view from the player's station to the robot - like a large tube, or overhang)

Near Minnetonka MN, there is a company named Recon Robotics. They make reconnaissance robots for gathering data before you go into a hostile environment - (Military or Police industries mostly.)
Near a certain area during game play, we will have to collect data via a human player & then proceed with game play. (Auton/Hybrid in the middle of the match, as has been requested for many years by the programmers).
Or... we will have to collect data while under that obstacle as mentioned previously.

I got nothing for Evergreen in Dover as of right now, but I have to go with the end game will be played on a material that is really green, such as astroturf with the data you are able to collect in the 3rd part of the game heavily used in this part of the game.



In closing, I think this game will step it up with the most types of surfaces & tasks of any game to date.
Can't wait! :cool:

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Not saying that anyone should ever start planning based on speculation from the game hints, but this would be something interesting to think about. It would definitely be a nice challenge, in addition to the new system.

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I'm hoping for a return to many field surface variations like 2004 in that regard.
We've had too many games between then & now with a majority of flat driving. I want to see some more terrain or surfaces to deal with which teams will have to overcome with their drive trains.

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I agree with you Elgin Clock, I had a few toughts along the same idea. But, how often do these clues actually pretain to the game. I have not been with first for to long, so I have no idea if they do(I cant remember if last years clues did or not).

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They always do. There's only one problem: we don't know how until after Kickoff!

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i would not even think too complicate
but surely i don;t think FIRST wants to do any plain shooting / running around anymore

the fish, all i can say is a hint to the task
and train model? the idea sounds cool but impossible for team ganging up
how do you connect the robots?
but i would again, say there are many tasks to do with teams
and the arena, is going to be larger, of course

overdrive's arena in NYC/NJ 2008 is small from what i know....
but they do have enough of space to make the arena twice or more as large as the 2008 game....

movable platform, possible

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i agree, the purpose of these hints, 1) to get people excite about the game
and 2) to make every team begin to do brainstorming, especially for rookie teams
it is our first year and discussion is one of the major things that as a rookie should always do

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whatever the game is it is sure to be something new and different....

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I wonder if we'll have to climb something sorta tall? I imagine they wouldn't want falling robots breaking.

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no, they will either be a ramp, you have to go over it
or just to use the arm to pick up something or put something back

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You know, going off of the train concept, trains also have multiple tracks. Even if its not trains, the clue refrences four streets. This may have already been brought up, but what if the clue has something to do with field, possibly having four offshooting areas and a central one? or maybe the field will be maze-like, and rearranged each round.

Man, I hope it's a rearranging maze, because that would be amazing.

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I was just messing around and i put all the cities on a map, using dover Delaware. I connected the dots and got




A Fish :confused:

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there are only 4 cities, you have 5 points. elaborate plz.

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If you take every 23rd (Cause there's 23 days left till Kickoff) letter, starting with the first (HaHa)
you get TSNOBTAI
which is an anagram for Botanist

if that's relevant at all.....

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I'm trying to run this down from the GDC's view.

So first I typed "zamboni" into google
Well, www.zamboni.com, sounds promising.
Hey look, they are in paramount... first result.

Looks to me like they googled zamboni.

I wonder what we can find from the rest.

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Wow, impressive.

So: clue #1, animal (fish); clue #2, vegetable (botanist); will the 3rd clue be a mineral?

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Looks like Opah, Oklahoma.
That was established as an alternate meaning to the Moonfish / Opah in clue 1.

Btw, there is an Opa Locka airport in FL.
Let's just add some more darn locations into the mix. :ahh: :rolleyes:

Wooooow... That was so random it may just be it! LOL

The clues over the years have pertained to everything imaginable within the game, scoring objects, robot design, playing field design, & even scoring of the game itself.
Bottom line is, if they find a random aspect they think we would have fun analyzing before kickoff, they will throw us these clues, & laugh themselves into a frenzy with all the crazy (but certainly feasible) ideas we throw out there in these forums... Or at least I would anyways. lol
The Game Design Committee (GDC) could even be watching our ideas & random speculation for this year's clue & get ideas about next year's game with all the ideas we throw out somehow.
Who knows?

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Getting hints makes the holiday season so much more jolly doesn't it? Well until you rip your hair out trying to guess what it all means.

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As most of you may have done already, I looked up these locations on google maps.

Paramount to Central in Phoenix-
This is the shortest distance of them all, so will be worth the least amount of points. My guess as we will get some points for just "Driving out of the shop" Meaning getting out of the starting gate(Maybe some obsticle, because there are mountains around Colorado??). Get connected makes me think of it ending autonomous mode.

Phoenix to Minnetonka-
This is quite a long distance, so will be worth more points completing it. Since we'll be going through the mountain range, there will be 2 choices. Either go over a significant obstacle(if not used in 1st part) or, go under or through them(idea for camera!!)Then, when we reach "Minnetonka" our robot must grab something(maybe different sizes/shapes for a difference in points)

Minnetonka to Dover
Now, there are 2 Dovers. There is one in MA and one in Dover, Kent, UK.

MA Dover-
It is possible that we will need to navigate a "Mountainous" type area as above, this time with our object. Failing to get our object over will result in a loss of points. Again, go over or under your choice. This is where strategy would come in, if you chose something too big or odd shaped, it's possible you wouldn't be able to go under and/or over.

Dover, Kent, UK
This one stumps me a bit, but, for the crazys out there (Dave). We have to get our object over a large body of water.(will add more as I think of it)






This also conforms with all the "4's" popping up.

1. Autonomous Mode
2. Going over mountainous area
3. Getting Item
4. Going over mountainous are with item



Comments? Concerns?

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Wild guess here and pretty poor connection but...
Paramount was/is a well known production company for movies...so maybe we need to use our camera this year?

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All i know is that im burnt out from hints...personally WATER GAME jk...i just want Jan 3 to come along and it will make the world go round again:ahh: :ahh: :ahh:

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ouch, that would hurt. but you are right, a person could easily go insane.

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i think the out of the shop part is getting out of the starting zone, maybe separated from the rest of the field somehow
the get connected is the end of autonomous, getting connected to the controller
the make a pick up being obtaining the game piece, possibly triangle shaped like connecting the places
and the last bit is about scoring.
also, the camera will come into effect because we wont be able to see the whole field or certain sections. i was also wondering about if the casings for the control systems could mean that theres something in the game that might foul up the old control systems and the new ones would be resistant to it

Re: Game Hint #2
 

i agree that's what i think too
most of us believe it may be the model
idk, but sounds like the game

maybe something in the middle
by #2 and #3 you will need to work with your buddy teams

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Or, in another spin-off of the number 4, it could be a 1v1v1v1....

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I used the name of the fish from the first clue and got Opah Oklahoma.

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Hint 2
Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount; = Machine Sales - USA
Frank J. Zamboni & Co., Inc.
15714 Colorado Avenue
Paramount, CA 90723-4211

stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix;= http://www.phoenix.com/en/search/default
http://phoenix.citysearch.com/profil...rand=smx_yp-nc


drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka = Lake Minnetonka? Or Minnetonka Audio Software
then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover.


what i think it might be

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just because it would be interesting, are any of FIRSTs or NIs manufacturers or corp. offices in these cities? I don't know how that would relate unless each city somehow related to one line of the 2nd hint. I guess that would make the hint not a hint at the game or robot, but still.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Earlier EricH mentioned 4 team alliances. I think that this is definitely plausible because there are now more FRC teams than ever before. Does anyone know how many teams are registered this year? Maybe that could help us decide if 4v4 is possible.

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I agree with the people who say that "zamboni" is important relating to the first line. It seems like the GDC is using google to get its hints. They got the first hint by googling "moonfish". They got the first line of hint #2 by googling "zamboni".

Basically, to figure out the hint, all we have to do is figure out what to google that brings up the location the hint says as the first result.

Now, the problem comes down to the rest of the lines. When you google "connected central phoenix" you get some lawyers' website. I think that this is the page that the GDC got, but we need to figure out what they searched for that brought them to that page.

I haven't gotten much with the third and fourth lines. For the third line I came up with "minnetonka moccasins" but that's just a hunch. And for the fourth it could be "dover evergreen classics" but that is also a hunch.

I think this method could work. and i think it is the closest i'll ever come to solving a hint :D

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1689 FRC teams all told.

This is not going to be a very good method, though. What you need to do is look at what the lowest number of teams at an event is. If it's less than 32, you can't do a 4v4 game and keep it through normal eliminations. It's impossible. I can't think of an event offhand with that few, but who knows. I'll be back in a bit with the answer to: Is there an event with fewer than 32 teams?

And the answer is: Yes. (Waterloo, in case you were wondering which one.) 22 teams, 8 open slots. No 4v4 this year, unless they do a tweak that starts eliminations in the semis.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Look at the shape:

http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frcfishwb7.jpg

:eek: :confused: :ahh:

Opah + Mapquest = ???

Hmm....

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Looks more like a shark to me but i can see where your comin from

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Hi- we (the students and I) have been reading for a while, but I've just joined. I've slogged through as many hint posts as I could, and didn't see this anywhere, so if I'm repeating something someone else posted, forgive me...:rolleyes:
CXT Software is located on North Central Avenue in Phoenix. Others have pointed out that Microsoft is there, too. www.cxtsoftware.com

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It's probably something dealing with different terrains.

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re: phoenix.

this may be of interest. The city of Phoenix seems to think this corridor is a key "connectivity" area.

http://phoenix.gov/ECONDEV/nocentrl.pdf

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We really should be careful here. The GDC is probably monitoring all of these discussions, and using the best ideas to torment us with both clues and games for the future years!

18 days to go!

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It would appear that this game involves Zambonies/Ice, Microsoft, Government buildings, and Football???

OH Crap we have to do taxes!

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Best Joke Idea of 2008/2009 Season, hands down! :rolleyes:

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okay so we have a diagram...and we think that it has to do with the tree octopus...no but we think it has something to with staying on a path, with different stations along the way. or finding something that doesn't belong...i will post the diagram soon. it just has to send first.

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Zamboni...ice...I think it's curling with bots!

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GDC is always watching our discussion
i will stop looking at the map, and maybe draw our own anticipating model instead

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Going from Paramount to Phoenix is through the desert, not mountains.

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has anyone tried throwing these words in a thesaurus yet??
i would but i don't have the time right at the moment

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i dont think you guys cuaght this.... Bentley mfg group inc. makes gaskets for space suits.... the only maker of space suits in the united states is.... NASA... Dave... who is on the GDC works for nasa..... An OPAH is also known as a MOONFISH...... does any one else see this or just me...... PLEASE TELL ME I"M NOT CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!

...... is any one willing to go in on a bet that the hint has nothing to do with Zamboni........ message me if you do....

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The hint does to involve Zamboni. Its simple really. Here is my theory.

The Game,
rectangle Field, with a slick center piece occupying 1/3 of total field area. Hybrid/"No Control Time"/Autonomous will be done attempting to collect* a game piece possible a fish shaped object (no theory on game object), and score with them. Goals can be scored on opposing alliance's side of the field, this will be accomplished with either a firing mechanism, or by traveling over slick item. The firing angle can be calculated by the camera, as well as find the game piece, which scoring in autonomous is most likely worth more then normal. Scoring can also be done, by carrying a said object across the field, and scoring, the goals will be sent at different heights, for different points.
The mountains represent a obstacle, the ice can be a obstacle, mountains have ice on them. The ice wouldn't be ice, I'm sure FIRST organizers can find a very slick solid object.

Predictions I am willing to make; There will be between 2-5 teams per alliance, The game will run less then 5 minutes, The two alliance will be Red, and Blue, if there is a third alliance it will be white.

*The fish in my mind denotes fishing, or better yet phishing, attempting to locate data/and item.

Well tear it to shreds.

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i agree with that! zamboni--ice--slick surface!! pretty much the same as my idea:D

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lol...theres the GDC again trying to mess with us...i like the comment of NASA/gaskets/moonfish comment#455 (it makes sense to me) i think i am going to enjoy my break instead of losing sleep over the game

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Both hints have somthing to do with large areas so maybe it has somthing to do with a large playing field with the peices in sight.

Opah-lives practically anywhere tropical

Hint #2-it has lots of places that are all over the place

:D

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Wait... tropics... ice... and the Lego LEague challenge had to do with getting to know our climates and protection and stuff.... maybe something along the same lines???

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instead of thinking of zambonies and ice as the activity
maybe we should think about the movemenr
because o fthis i think we might have to push things along

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I think I am getting somewhere with this hint. I think I figured out the first and second lines so far. I got this by figuring out what the GDC might have searched for on Google to find something with the location that the hint says.

Line 1- "zamboni", google that and the first link takes you to a business located on Colorado Ave. in Paramount, CA

Line 2- "uhaul", the U-haul international HQ is located on Central Ave. in Phoenix, AZ. this could apply to "get connected" (hitch up the trailer) and to the next line which says to "make a pickup" (put the item in the trailer)

Lines 3 and 4 I haven't found anything useful yet.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

The reference to Zamboni might be more related to hockey than Ice.

The Game piece for FTC this year is a street hockey puck, and FIRST has just had a bunch of these made in custom red and blue colors :)

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okay im not sure if its been said already but an anagram is possible, unfortunately internet anagram solvers arent used to long strings of words and wont give all of the results but anyway, i figured that the semicolon meant that you could solve it as a whole or as individual sections, so i got some words that brings me back to the water concept. the words that stood out were Unmoor, pontoon, and port. if anyone has a high quality anagram solver it may be something to look into

Re: Game Hint #2
 

i have come to the conclusion that when they come up with the clues they all sit there and think hmmm how can i confuse the kids this year.

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Anyone realize that there is a new electrical tram system on central ave. in Phoenix? That may be a good bet

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Ok Im on to something.

On Colorado Ave in Paramount, CA there is a machine shop called ZAMBONIS.

Im not sure, but maybe the game is styled after hockey. I mean think the person said lake minnetonka is big for ice fishing...the fish clue was meant to be a "red herring" to make us think of a water game, but maybe the fish is an OPA (sp) which is a fish that can get up to 200 pounds (the electrical system is REALLY heavy so the weight req. could go up) and six feet in length, but fish in markets are usually hung by their mouths so the height req. could go up to 6 feet again...

6 teams per alliance:

1 Goalie

2 or 3 defence

2 or 3 offence




Just a thought...

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I would like to revise my ice statement, while a slick surface could act as a buffer zone making it difficult to travel over it could be near impossible, calling for the other robots in your alliance to carry or build a bridge across said obsticle.

I think that is more in the sprit of first, you know having to support team mates, also incorporating a bridge into your robot...

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Not a bad theory except then you would need a robot that essentially could do nothing but be a bridge and the spirit of first is that any alliance no matter what robots are on it need to be capable of scoring.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

I do believe that there was such a robot a few years ago...

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12780
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12786
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12297
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/12299

That little tie-dyed ramp is, in fact, a robot. It was fully capable of scoring--balancing goals on the bridge was a very good way to score that year. But it was "only" a ramp.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

And this little ramp bot won at BAE and ended up 5th on Arcimedes a few years ago.

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So good in fact, it came in 2nd place overall at the championship event, & was the Archimedes Division champion.
Team 111
2001 NAT National Finalist
2001 NAT Division Champion - Archimedes


Other robots were ramps as well, including our first attempt at a robot that year.
Team 69 from MA was another.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Most of the people here bring up some good points, though I do have a few concerns with some of them.

1) As for the weight and size limits I do believe that there are certain labour laws that require more the two people to life an object if it more the 150 Lbs, so they may have to take that into account when planning on robot design.

2) As for an ice surface, it would be very hard to do because of the cooling requirements. Even just a slick surface would be difficult as they would have to take into account the safety of the team members trying to place/retrieve their robot on/from the field as well as the field assembly and reset crew and the hazard of lose of control of some robots.

Those were just some of my thoughts.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

maby its a scavenger hunt to where we have to program our robot on a hybrid system to pick up a flag or object and return it to the starting point

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Evergreen in Dover, UK is along Slip Lane. I think ice is probably going to be part of the game.

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With the new Control System,
We were thinking it could be color sensored with the fish
like in the picture with picking up fish
because in Minnetonka is a fishing area just like the other clue


I don't know for sure but its probably an experiment with
all the new coding XD

however the new system weighs a ton!

Re: Game Hint #2
 

for the third line enter
"biopolymer plastic bottles"
into google, and find that the 6th entry is Nature Works plastics
15305 Minnetonka Boulevard
Minnetonka, MN 55345

now can someone decode the field shape for line 4??
;)

Re: Game Hint #2
 

There are at least two ice arenas located on Minnetonka Blvd in Minnetonka.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

that looks like jason morella in the background in the first pic.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

What if we need to "fish" an item off of the field and then put it into some sort of holder on our alliance's side of the field?

Re: Game Hint #2
 

[quote=IndySam;782416]There is a Colorado Ave in Paramount, CA
A Central Ave in Phoenix, AZ
Minnetonka BLVD Minnetonka, MN
Evergreen Drive in Dover OH and DE[/QUOTE

I like some of the other ideas about hooking up with other robots and stuff. But just for the heck of it what if those points make a picture, i know its only three points but, what if??? I'm going to use google earth to take a look. You just never know.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

it might be a bit longer than expected for the diagram

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Here's my 2 cents....

Take your machine out of the shop on Colorado in Paramount;
This first line means a starting area.

Stop by and get connected means Go to an area and connect to something. Goal or flatbead style platform.

Drive by and pick up means to load items for points

then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover. Parking area for bonus points.

The first clue means some type of hooking phase.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Maybe a return of mobile goals.... When was the last time we had mobile goals in FRC?

Re: Game Hint #2
 

2003 was stack attack, as well as 2004 was first frenzy both featured mobile goals.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

2004 unless you count the rack swaying as moving.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

How did stack attack have moving goals? I don't see a goal, just a scoring area.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Technically the boxs were considered mobile goals thats what i read on the first archives that is just what they said.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

I would not agree with that statement at all. I don't think anyone who played the 2003 game would actually.

However, as far as mobile goals are concerned though; 2004, 2002, 2001 & 1999 all had mobile entities (Re: scoring containers with wheels on them for the game objects). (Maybe other years earlier than that as well)

2001 (and maybe other year's, I'm not 100% positive) had a mobile "stretcher" as well, which acted as a replacement for an injured alliance partner who was non-operational at the time of the match.

Other teams were able to push those around with the bot on top of it, or empty if the team didn't show up I believe.

I know we handled & moved those in 2001 during the offseasons without a partner on them, so I may have an off-season ruling confused with a regular season one on that part. It may have just been put into play during the off-seasons because of a lack of 4 teams playing at the same time.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Well thats just what I read on the site i don't agree with it either, i watched videos of the game. But you are right with the rest of the years

Re: Game Hint #2
 

Going off xnaut's elements idea, perhaps they included all the elements, just so we would get the elements concept, but only one is actually useful. So, obviously, the game is played on planet Earth, there will be Air in the room, and Water in our bodies, but the real clue is that we finally get to add that flamethrower onto the robot! . . . or maybe I'm just dreaming. . . .

Re: Game Hint #2
 

I'm going to put this here cause I rather not bump the Game Hint #3 prediction thread...

I predict that if we don't get a hint #3 tomorrow, we don't get another hint.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

I disagree, I think there is a possibility of us getting an anagram of the encrypt password again, they just don't know what the password is. Maybe they will give us the real thing and we will anagram it without even trying it.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

okay so wasn't there something said a while back about "the best defense is a good offense?" (or something like that???) well if this was stated and the picture of dover matches the clue given about a "FIELD" maybe were talkin a contact competition this year.....possibly even the rules and what is considered "being rough" in general.....cause i mean the picture IS a FOOTBALL field.........:confused: :ahh:

Re: Game Hint #2
 

You might be thinking of my signature. The quote is a common football/military one.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

No way! Robotic football! I was dreaming that up years ago! It'd probably be the reason we were given the 50g absorbtion cRio this year all the "gentle bumping" could cause some damage.

Re: Game Hint #2
 

not like full on football but similar concepts to football such as force, how rough it could be to a certain degree...like that...such as allowing more leniency in that area

Re: Game Hint #2
 

oh ok i got ya now man....hmm i dont know then

Re: Game Hint #2
 

oh heres another idea.....
take a look at lines 2,3 and 4 of the hint


stop by and get connected on Central in Phoenix...
drive by and make a pickup on Minnetonka in Minnetonka;
then head to the field on Evergreen in Dover.

okay line look up central drive in phx, AZ and it says "get connected" look at the map its a divided hwy ending a convergence....
then MINNETONKA AVE IN MINNETONKA, MN is a loop leadin to another CONVERGING interstate/hwy
to the field in Dover....
maybe racing is a bigger incorporation this year

racing>cnverge>repeat>home= RELAYS

Re: Game Hint #2
 

That edit button is there for a reason.

edit: So don't make multiple posts.