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Archiving Regionals Video 2009
Last year we saw match footage from 32/42 (76%) Regionals, which was an increase over the previous year. But we can do better. It is still my goal to see every match of every Regional recorded, every year it gets easier and easier to do, and I think this is the year that anyone can do it. To make this happen I am going to look for a team of two other people to help me organize this. Our job will be to organize volunteers for every regional, spread the required information about uploading the video, share the information about how to record and parse the video, remind volunteers to record and upload the video, and organize the parsing of the video if required. If you are interested in helping me out, please PM or email me.
If you are interested in voluteering to record a regional please state so in this thread, and feel free to add your name to this list. I ask anyone willing to help me keep track of this list just update it by copying the last one, adding the new names, and pasting it into your post surrounded by "["CODE"]" text... "["/CODE"]" without the quotes. Code:
Regional VolunteerThis is the most often asked question, and finnaly I have a simple answer for everyone. the Pinnacle Video Transfer, its a $99 ($95 on amazon, I've seen it for $70 on ebay) device that records a component video and audio input right to an external hard drive at the push of a button in glorious h.264. If you are looking for a more low cost solution (requiring a computer, and someone to watch the computer..) check out last year's thread. As for where to capture the video from, FIRST at all its Regionals provides a station with about 20 outputs where you can hook right into the main scoreboard video feed. We prefer this feed over you recording the matches with a camcorder, FIRST hires a professional company at every regional to tape the matches. Parsing and Cutting Up the Video Into Individual Matches If you really don't have time to do this after recording a regional, please contact us and we will instruct you where to upload the raw video. This can be done with whatever video editing program you would like, every windows machine comes with windows movie maker (I think Vista does... I'm a mac user) and every Mac comes with iMovie. As for the output video and naming standards please see below! Standards for Parsing:
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Naming Standards Check out this post from last year for naming standards as for uploading you will be contacted by myself or one of the other volunteers helping me with detail of how to upload it to The Blue Alliance (TBA) and SOAP. I am sure the TBA and SOAP people will chime in at some point with their plans for this season. |
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Regional VolunteerMe and my family have been planing to bring a hard-disk camera (24 hours of memory) and record the matches. We'll take turns turning it on and off. We'll set up a stationary tri-pod with a good view of the feild. We did this for the offseason event Cal-Games and it seemed to work pretty well. Saved me the trouble of editing footage (I can't believe people actually do that... you guys must be VERY dedicated :eek:). I'll be doing Davis and SVR Yeah about those Cal-Games vids... I don't see them!!! Greg!!! :mad: |
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Would it be a better idea just to upload it to Youtube?
With their new "Watch in HD" feature and a 1 GB per video cap, it provides virtually unlimited space, allowing for excellent quality. If every match was uploaded in full HD (ideal situation), and was just over 300mb each, that would add up to almost a petabyte of video footage. (42 events x 70 matches each on average) All I'm saying is instead of having The Blue Alliance host all of the videos themselves, why not let Youtube do it for them. The youtube videos could even be embedded into the individual pages on TBA for convinience. |
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As for parsing, it really doesn't take that long. I've got it down to maybe 2 hours per regional, and most of the time I am doing something else at the same time. On another note I welcome multiple people to record each regional. It is a good backup, and we can organize the splitting of the parsing up between multiple people. |
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The thing that is great about TBA is how the system organizes the matches, and allows you to search a team number and pull up all their matches. I guess they could take a youtube link and embed it in their pages, but from the small understanding I have of the under-the-hood code that could take some re-working. But unlike youtube, you have the option on TBA to download each match in their higher quality format, and not just watch the smaller flash video recording. |
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I would definitely have to hear what others think about this, especially the TBA and SOAP folks before I hop on-board. EDIT: I also just went and checked out YouTube's Batch Uploader, from what I can see it requires a title and description be entered for every upload. For the 95 videos my team archived from the MN regional last year the extra effort would become significant. I will be testing the upload speed of the batch uploader shortly to see if that would be a factor as well. Quote:
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Your right. We are years away for being able to get HD video (even 720p) onto websites for free. Besides the bandwidth and storage problems, the fact is that most average computers these days can't handle MPEG-4 HD that well. FIRST doesn't even have widescreen SD (16:9 ratio) available in its feeds. |
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I'll see if I have time over the break to set up a script to convert .wmv to h.264 with my ubuntu box. Then maybe I can just rip everything on TBA to h.264, so once someone builds a nice iPhone app (the mobile TBA site works well enough...), we can see matches on our iPhones and iPods. Code:
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IMO the camera angles are annoying. They often miss the action, and usually only focus on certain teams. Yes, those are usually the most exciting teams to watch... but what if you're showing vids to a sponsor? "See!! See!! Right there? That was OUR robot! yes, yes I'll rewind it..." As for matches, teams and scores I'll record those too. We'll work something out Mr. G. Although I think splitting it between the two days is a good idea. |
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Regional VolunteerLet me know if any one has and interest. I will be happy to go over how the system works or any questions. Best of all I donate the server space and bandwidth, so there will be no cost besides the computer that will record the video (you can bring your personal computer if you want). |
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NYC: should be easy for me, being Fri-Sun.
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Regional VolunteerFyi- For an event to add HD capability the cost goes up considerably. It's not just the camera rental, but the mixers and other equipment behind the scenes have to be upgraded. I believe FIRST has only done this at the championship and for internal purposes. Never, to my knowledge, have they had an "hd breakout box" the way they've done so for composite. 640x480 capture has proved a nice balance between resolution and filesize. Team 39 did HD on their own last year, i.e. from the stands. 1440x1080 @ 6.8Mbps. Files were abt 140MB. The problem I had though was playback on my laptop was very choppy- likely the disc not keeping up with the bitrate. My desktop however played ok. All that being said, we will still toy with an HD solution this year, but it would be premature to expound as the kinks need to be worked out. Regards, KA :cool: p.s. Thanks again Jonathan for your work on this! |
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I dont see why the a/v would be different for the michigan regionals. The regionals should still have a camera crew and they still will be mixing video to the main screen therefore there should be a location of connection for teams if not I am sure someone could just ASK.
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I'll make sure my setup is actually recording properly this year....
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I have still to ask the regional directors, but assuming the video drop is available, we will be recording Chesapeake and Washington D.C.
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2009 Event Abbreviations
Here is the update to last year's post:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=73 This one has the 2009 regionals. For consistency and predictability sake, we have a preference in naming the movie files. General Naming Rules * Two or three character event abbreviation in lowercase, e.g. "fl" * Underscore, "_" * XOR: Qualification: Use THREE digits, "001", "047", "108". Elimination: Use "qf4m2", "sf2m1", "fm3" Awards: Use "award_" + AwardDescription. Opening: Use "openingremarks_" + "friday" or "saturday". Closing: Use "closingremarks_" + "friday" or "saturday". Else: any string that does not begin with "qf", "sf", "fm", or a digit. * ".wmv" , ".mov", ".divx" , ".whatever" Notes: # Always use lowercase, please. # No spaces in a filename, please. # Sometimes a match gets replayed- name the one that counts in the standings as "fl_001.wmv". The one(s) that do NOT count, "fl_001bad1.wmv", "fl_001bad2.wmv", etc... Abbreviations are as follows: BAE SYSTEMS Granite State Regional NH Buckeye Regional OH Greater Kansas City Regional KC Midwest Regional IL New Jersey Regional NJ Oklahoma City Regional OK Washington DC Regional DC Boston Regional MA Finger Lakes Regional ROC Oregon Regional OR San Diego Regional SDC New York City Regional NY Dallas Regional DA Florida Regional FL Los Angeles Regional CA Peachtree Regional GA Pittsburgh Regional PIT Silicon Valley Regional SJ Wisconsin Regional WI Israel Regional IS Arizona Regional AZ Bayou Regional LA Boilermaker Regional IN Chesapeake Regional MD NASA / VCU Regional VA Philadelphia Regional PA St. Louis Regional MO Waterloo Regional WAT Colorado Regional CO Connecticut Regional CT Greater Toronto Regional ON Hawaii Regional HI Las Vegas Regional NV Lone Star Regional TX Microsoft Seattle Regional WA Palmetto Regional SC Sacramento Regional SAC SBPLI Long Island Regional LI Minnesota 10,000 Lakes Regional MN Minnesota North Star Regional MN2 Michigan Traverse City District GT Kettering University District GG Cass Tech District DT1 Lansing District GRL Detroit District DT West Michigan District MI Troy District OC Michigan State Championship GL Many thanks, KA :cool: |
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Team 1123 can tape the Washington DC Regional... Thanks Jonathan for coordinating this, Anish |
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:D Well, this is something that I have been wanting to for a few years now. But, when I looked at your list, I do see that the Michigan District Events are not included right now. I would be willing to do hopefully two the district events and the State Championship.
I still need alittle more clarification on what, I would need to do, to record all the matches. So PM me with some more details to help :D |
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Alright, 2175 will be taking care of the 2 MN regionals.
I also added the Michigan District events to the list. I assumed that the districts you might cover would be the ones 326 is attending Nicholas. Code:
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The Blue Alliance will be on site recording (and hopefully webcasting) the Boston Regional again this year.
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Added 108 for Florida and Buckeye, 111 for Midwest and Boilermaker
p.s. As 108 is not yet "in" for championship, is there anyone willing to help (see * below), taking shifts if needed? Thanks, KA Code:
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I will hopefully be attending Michigan districts, Lansing and West Michigan. If I don't make it to one I will try to get someone on my team to run the DVD recorder.
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I've got Boston.
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I will also be recording the CT regional.
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After looking at the bitrates on this website ( http://www.trustedreviews.com/multim...eo-Transfer/p1 ) I just can't seem to imagine that it would produce any type of HQ video. To produce SDTV quality MPEG-4 video, you should have at least 3 to 4 Mpbs, and this device max out at 1.5 Mbps. A cheap DVR or CD recorder would probably be your best bet to record the matches. |
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Is there any distinction we can make with the people that are streaming the matches. and the people who will be archiving the matches. Or both.
I am just trying to figure out how we can watch week 1 regionals while they are going on. Thanks |
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I will also be recording at the same time via DVD recorder as a more tried and true process. -Mike AA |
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I recorded to an external hard drive, because big flash drives were still expensive last year. If I was doing it again, I'd buy an 8 gig flash drive, probably. I was very happy with the quality compared to how a lot of the regional's videos came out. |
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please archiving San Diego Regional for me
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Ohhh, we've got 108 for Buckeye. :) If you guys need someone to help parse, let me know.
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I was wondering if a consensus was reached on the video format/method? [The DC Regional is coming up:rolleyes: ] Thanks, |
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That wiki page now contains most of the knowledge contained in this thread. |
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Can anyone with 'insider information' confirm this? I emailed both the Midwest and Wiscosin regionals to confirm that we could record the video (for scouting purposes) and both times they were unsure. The Wisconsin regional planning committee said it was 'very unlikely'. The new scoring system seems to have changed some of the standards. |
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They do have a profesional compony produce the feed, I do not think they record it though.
As I under stand the company will just get a feed out from the scoring table with the live scoring at the bottom of a green screen and a second with the final scores. The company adds live video from their cameras. They probably will also have a First logo screen and a screen for alliance selection. |
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Anyone else getting ready for the first week of regionals? I know I am...
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Who can we thank for the OK regional footage?
Thanks, KA :cool: |
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If folks need FTP info to upload video to The Blue Alliance, shoot me a PM.
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Will do. I've gotta parse everything first, once I receive the footage from Team 48, whom I must thank for providing the Buckeye Regional's webcast.
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Did anyone capture DC?
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I've mentioned this before, but if anyone needs any help parsing video just drop me a PM.
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So do we have a set format/config, or is it just whatever we choose?
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This is slightly off-topic, but is something I noticed while watching some video from the past week.
On the videos form Oklahoma the "scoring bar" at the bottom of the screen is somewhat transparent. I don't know how this looked on the big screen at the event, but it makes the team numbers much more difficult to see than if the bar is solid like the BAE videos. I don't really feel that the transparency adds anything so I would recommend talking to the video guys if you see that they are using transparency on the score bar. |
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thank you for all the hard work.
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Does anyone know the status of the Midwest regional videos? The Semis-Finals are up but there is nothing else.
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lol, I received the Buckeye videos in FLV format, so don't expect them anytime soon. :p Huge thanks to Team 48 for archiving/streaming the regional, though.
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The method i use to parse the videos works just fine with FLV so I can take a crack at them if you want. Not sure how much time I'll have to work on them tomorrow, but I could probably get through them on Thursday or Friday at the latest.
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Could you take over a TiVO and do the recording?
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Is there any possibility of people that will be taping/recording the matches to maybe have a static camera filming the entire field? The filming done by first is almost impossible to tell what's going on everywhere, and it'll film robots picking up balls by themselves off in a corner, while robots are dumbing and playing the game in another.
For learning purposes it'd be a lot more helpful to be able to watch the entire field. But I know it might be too much to ask. Thanks! Caio |
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So it's not impossible.... Just highly annoying. Things would be easier if FIRST just set up an overview camera for webcasts and things and split that feed off for teams to record as well. Or if they hired camera people over the age of 18, who know you can't make a shot more exciting by rapidly zooming in and out or rolling the camera side to side. |
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I am willing to try to capture the Palmetto Regional but I don't have time to split the video into matches so I would be able to supply someone with the raw video files. For me to do this I need some help from someone that knows the format for the captured video. I use VLC to capture but I don't know the correct video and audio setting (codec) for capture.
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Someone's going to need to take Buckeye. I just got busy unexpectedly, and won't be able to work on the video for some time.
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245 will be archiving the Kettering District in Michigan. Not sure if we'll be able to cut it up or not.
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OK, I'm getting a Pinnacle Video Transfer from Amazon to record the NASA VCU Regional.
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any word on when DC will be available?
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Does anyone need help parsing/encoding video. I don't know if its just me but there seems to be a surprising lack of TechnoKat footage. I'm sure many scouting teams would like to see more video up so if there is anything I can do to help expedite the process, let me know...
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I will have Wisconsin recorded this weekend. I may need some help parsing, or it may take some time. Unfortunately, it will be coming in on VHS tape since my computers are out of commission (hence the delay in me signing up to record). I can transfer to my computer once I get the tapes home, but the computer going to the regional just isn't going to happen at this point...:mad:
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Any word on if NJ was archived by 1676? I'd like to see it on TBA soon.
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edit...thanks Pentau!!! ... DC is now mostly available at http://www.soap.circuitrunners.com/2009/dc/ I'm guessing elims will be up in the near future. |
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Alright so with Week 3 regionals in the books I figure now is a good time to look at where we stand on Week 1 and 2 videos.
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Washington D.C. should be on TBA in the next few days. For the time being, I've only uploaded the WFA to SOAP. If there are any other requests, I can try to edit them in the next few days.
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All the matches for the Greater Kansas City Regional can be found here. http://www.more.net/services/videost.../archives.html
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Change of plans. I'm currently converting all of the FLVs from Buckeye right now, and will be parsing/uploading them.
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pentau, Matches 1 and 2 in the DC regional archive are not correct. You archived the practice matches, not the qualification matches.
I would like to see the Engineering Inspiration award archived, and I'm guessing some others will want the other awards too. But go ahead and take your time, it can be done after you upload to TBA. |
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Any clue on when the rest of Midwest qualifiers will be up?
Also what the status is on Milwaukee just wonderin |
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I may or may not have a chance to parse Lansing so I am in process of uploading the 4 files to firstvideoarchive.com. Each file is 1-3GB so uploading takes a little time.
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What's the word on the rest of the Florida Qualifiers and Elims? The first day of qualifiers was up on SOAP the Friday of the competition, so just curious to see if anyone in this thread knew what was going on with that.
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How much hard drive space will u use up if u use the Pinnacle Video Transfer? How teams use the Pinnacle Video Transfer and the editing software with it or do u use a different editing software.
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Wisconsin is still sitting on my VHS tapes waiting to be digitized. I had a last minute business trip this week that didn't allow me to get started. I will be digitizing and spreading around for parsing as soon as I can. It is coming!
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I'm told NJ should be appearing sometime this week. Also told quite a few people were recording Philly, any word on this being true?
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I captured Waterloo regional, but cant parse. Is there any kind soul willing to do the parsing?
How do I go about ULing to somewhere like: firstvideoarchive.com? |
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I wonder if someone can chop these up and put them on TBA? |
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Encode the video and upload? if so i think i can do that for you... Uploading i can just run the upload at school, thats easy... PM me so we can talk furthur. Thanks, Dani |
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