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You guys have a great history, plus your performance last year wasn't exactly shabby. First seed on Archimedes? I believe your alliance brought our first defeat in 08 ;). I'm not surprised to see MORT in the next 26.


As for the extended list, I think it's a better reflection of the top teams we might see this season. I can see a good chunk of this year's top 25 coming out of these 51 teams, although there are a few I might add to the list, perhaps just out of local bias.

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Hehe, as much as I love compliments to our team, that was not us. We actually didn't get to play a single match against you guys or with you :(

But thank you.:)

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I can't believe that 1126 did not receive one vote.
A snipet of their history....

2008 Finger Lakes Regional Finalist
2008 Buckeye Regional Champion
2007 Buckeye Regional Finalist
2006 Finger Lakes Regional Champion
2006 Champion - Galileo Division
2004 Champion - Newton Division
2004 Buckeye Regional Champion
2003 Champion - Newton Division
2003 Buckeye Regional Champion

:confused:

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Yeah, I also mentioned this.

As someone said to me earlier "1126 is the best team in FIRST that nobody talks about" and I agree 100%

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You forgot 2008 IRI finalist.

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Been thinking about this topic for a bit, and I think it better belongs in the same forum as Fantasy FIRST, and other games.

I also suggest changing the name to include Poll versus Rankings, unless of course the list will be based upon some type of ranking criteria, once the FIRST season begins. Posting the criteria for the ranking would be a good idea, so everyone betters understands how and why the order is what it is.

Those that don't find games interesting usually skip or ignore that forum, and it cuts down on alot of argueing over silly things, when there are so many more important issues to be concerned with.

No offense meant to the organizers or poll participants, no offense meant to any teams listed, or not listed.

Best of Luck in this upcoming FIRST season,

Mike Aubry

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned 175 yet. They seem to be very solid every year not to mention their Chairman's award in 2002.

I'm also just as surprised as anyone else that 1126 didn't make it. I would have thought team 48 would have a received at least one vote. They have historically been a pretty solid team.

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Someone did mention 175 earlier in the thread. I agree wholeheartedly, I was surprised to see that they didn't even get one vote to make it onto the list of 51 teams. They are a very solid team, look at just some of their history:
2008 CT Regional Champion
2007 NH Regional Champion
2006 MD Regional Champion
2005 CMP Champion - Curie Division
2004 CMP Champion - Curie Division
2003 NH Regional Champion
2003 CMP Champion - Galileo Division
2002 NJ Regional Chairman's Award
2002 CMP Chairman's Award Winner
2001 CT Regional Champion
2001 NJ Regional Champion
2000 NJ Regional Champion
1998 NJ Regional Champion

That would be 8 regional wins, 3 since 2005, on Einstein 3 times, and the Championship Chairman's award.

The thing is, there are other teams we can go through and do this for as well, and they also look very worthy of being on this list. There are so many great teams in FIRST right now that it's hard to fit all noteworthy teams into a list that's only 51 teams long. I bet if someone else proposed a new list of the top 51 for 2009, we'd find other teams that deserved to be on it as well.

As other people have been saying, don't take this list as an insult to your team if your team didn't make it to the list. Realize that this is by no means any guarantee of who will do well in 2009, and you have the power to put yourself onto lists like this before the regionals and the Championship. In any case, the 51 teams mentioned are all teams we can look up to as an example of what we can achieve.

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175 were on my first list, but for some reason that was obvious to me back than i removed them.
1574 have won every regional they have ever attended (4 out of 4 in Israel), and in the last 2 years made it to semi finals and finals of Newton as alliance head, which is in my opinion very impressive and gives them an opening to be in the top 25, but the still are not.

48 is also a very good and professional team, but their 2008 run hasn't been good enough to put them there.

I am mostly surprised though, to see 71 not being in the top 2 teams. They have by far the most impressive record in competitions and won Chairman's last year at Midwest, with a very hard competition there.

1114 and 217 moved up a lot as a result of their championship, and i'd bet my hat that top 5 will not be the same by the end of the season.

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I mean it is really hard to predict the standings, after all it isnt like football where the game doesnt change every year. i am disappointed that 384 didnt make it but you know i didnt like the concept of the rankings to begin with.
Every year holds a new oppurtunity and we should not already assign who wins it
Good Luck for the 2009 Season

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If I was going to pick a regional to attend this year, it would have to be Vegas. The teams attending are just insanely amazing and the town itself is brilliant. There is something about it that you can't explain and have to see for yourself. Just the grandness of it all.

Back to the discussion of the list now, I was really surprised 71 didn't end up in the top 3 as well. My submitted top 10 was:

1. 1114
2. 254
3. 71
4. 233
5. 67
6. 968
7. 16
8. 217
9. 111
10. 330

Taking a look at it again, I'm actually pretty happy with it still. I had a little knowledge as to a few teams (330 and 217) who are using new drivers next year. From what I heard 330 had the same 2 drivers for the past four years. 217 had 2 new guys at IRI I believe. I'm sure there is another one or two on my list that have new ones as well that I'm not aware of.

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I'll admit, I'm one of the voters. I'm also the one that put 2753 on my list (#25), partly because a) if anyone remembers 1902's rookie year, 2753 has that kind of start and b) there isn't an "outstanding rookie" area.

I also considered region when I made my list. I didn't just confine myself to the West Coast (my region of expertise), but looked at various regions--the East Coast, Midwest, Florida, CA, Pacific Northwest, HI, etc.

There are teams who miss the list. In the BCS this year, who would have thought about Texas Tech at the beginning of the season? As such, I expect that 1126 and 175 will find their way onto the list very soon.

Just for grins, I might also put the FF top 25 point-getters up from time to time. This could be an interesting thought exercise.

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I am sure this may have already been stated. But when you look at this from a rookie stand point, it may be discouraging, but it may also benefit more because the rookie teams will know a source of teams from which they can get tips about what to do because apparently they always do good. Just my opinion. Sorry if it was stated already.

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I can see this getting interesting real fast....

yeah you know I've something to say about about it... 1024 ranked 11th?
I'd love to know how you came up with that? Maybe if they win EVERYTHING they show up at this year you might take notice.

And 1124 shut out of the list? tisk tisk tisk...:ahh:
Your top three I do agree with... the rest... as my old boss would say, a little more thinking should have gone into it.

-p :cool:

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Interesting,
The best performing Hawaii team over the years, is not even on the list. Team 368. They represented Hawaii well at IRI and I'm sure other teams there thought so too. ;)
There list of awards, per no. of events they attend is mightily impressive to say the least.