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I am not sure I understand your argument. Are you agreeing with me or not? I said it is legal, not illegal. As far as I can see there is no penalty for de-scoring, scores are counted at the end of the match (G07). Since the trailer is not tipped I am saying that this move is not penalized and is beneficial to the team from a points perspective.

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Here is another question: I know you cant touch anything but the bumper on other robots but could you touch your robots connected trailer?

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I'm with Eric O on this one. G32, E doesn't mention trailers, so contacting trailers outside the bumper zone should be legal, and you can extend outside your bumper zone as long as you stay in a 28x38x60 box. I think a descoring robot is legal, if difficult to pull off.

As to points still counting in a tipped trailer... Since any particular robot is carrying around points for the opposing team for the entire match, the reasoning here should be obvious. Without the rule preserving points in a tipped goal, you'd obviously end up with 6 robots "spontaneously" falling over at the end of every Finals match.... So I don't think it's a rule against clever descoring, I think it's a rule against massive and silly descoring.

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"G32, E says nothing about the trailer."

"E. Contact outside of the BUMPER ZONE is not acceptable, and will result in a PENALTY. The offending ROBOT may be disqualified from the MATCH if the offense is particularly egregious or if it results in substantial damage to another ROBOT. "

"BUMPER ZONE – the volume contained between two virtual horizontal planes, one inch above the floor and seven inches above the floor."

It is my understanding that the bumper zone is 2 virtual planes the entire length and width of the field. It is not just an area surrounding a robot. Therefore the bumper zone would apply to the trailer as well.

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Does anyone know where you put the Accelerometer and the Yaw Rate Gyro?

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You can place sensors anywhere on your robot as long as it keeps the robot within the legal dimensions.

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The issue is whether section E is referring to solely ROBOT-ROBOT interaction, or if it includes ROBOT-TRAILER interaction. Since it discusses damage to another ROBOT, I'm assuming it only refers to ROBOT-ROBOT interaction. It's definitely a Q&A question, but I think there's a good case for ROBOT-TRAILER touching out of the bumper zone being legal.

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I disagree with you, srry :( , but I can't seem to reason why they would let you unscore if a trailer feel and all the balls fell out, and they still counted.

I believe you can touch your own trailer by definition of the bumper zone, which implies 2 planes, implying the robot and the trailer. However, whether actually getting a ball out of the trailer and getting rid of it is counted as unscoring is something that is prbly going to be debated until the Q&A forum comes out on the FIRST site, then we can get some real answers.

I see what your point is....hmmmm well I think even, hypothetically, of they do let you unscore from your own trailer ONLY then building a bot to fit in the limits, even with an arm would be scary hard, be if it is allowed, shure give it a try.:]

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I feel reasonably vindicated by Team Update #1. I thought it was pretty clear from the beginning that descoring would not be allowed -- I'm glad they clarified it so that teams are not expending effort on an invalid solution.

Patrick