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mototom 14-01-2009 13:22

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 794056)
As one benchmark, after a bit of practice I was able to take a standard kit-bot system with trailer attached and run it from one end of the Crater (starting with the Trailer touching the Alliance Station Wall) to the far end, execute a 180-degree turn and make contact with the far wall, and run back to the starting wall in about 12 seconds. This was repeatable several times.

-dave

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Wow Dave! That is some accelleration! Were you taking advantage of the carpet? What drive configuration were you using? Got a video?

Brandon Holley 14-01-2009 14:49

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
If you have not hooked up a trailer to your robot, do it.

It may seem optimistic when you are driving just the robot, but as Paul said, it is just PAINFUL to drive with the trailer on.

RobotDevil1985 14-01-2009 18:05

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Teamcap.2395 (Post 792077)
Okay, so here is a crazy thought I had...
If you did a 4WD in the same configuration as a omni-wheel drive...
...(like this) (In the same fashion as "The Pre" :D )
|= Chassis Perimeter
// = Wheels
. = space filler
___________
|//...........\\|
|................|
|................|
|................|
|\\...........//|

Would the low amount of friction on the wheels allow
the robot to move like an omni-drive?

I don't know how slick the flooring is because I was not able to attend a Kick-off. :(
But from what I have heard, it sounds pretty slippery.
Any guesses on how well this would work?

Edit: Hachiban beat me to it!

We tested that theory, granted we were on a smooth tile instead of the flooring, and found that without the ability to guarantee that all the wheels are on the floor with the same pressure. Otherwise the robot will veer uncontrolably depending on which wheels are in contact.

jreuter 15-01-2009 13:26

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
"I have to wonder what we did "wrong" to get it to steer. Could it be the shortened wheelbase?"

The spreadsheet model (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/1917) predicts that you should NOT be able to turn a "portrait" tank drive robot, if you use the published coefficients of friction. However, I've seen several posts which claim that the .14 lateral coefficient of friction is overstated. If you put lateral coefficients more like the in-line coefficients, the model computes that you will indeed be able to turn.

Brandon Holley 15-01-2009 14:14

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jreuter (Post 801497)
"I have to wonder what we did "wrong" to get it to steer. Could it be the shortened wheelbase?"

The spreadsheet model (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/1917) predicts that you should NOT be able to turn a "portrait" tank drive robot, if you use the published coefficients of friction. However, I've seen several posts which claim that the .14 lateral coefficient of friction is overstated. If you put lateral coefficients more like the in-line coefficients, the model computes that you will indeed be able to turn.

The fact that other people have not produced the lateral coefficient of friction in their tests, and indeed have produced a smaller number...combined with the fact that your robot DOES turn would lead me to believe .14 is wrong.

kramarczyk 15-01-2009 14:25

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
In addition to the CoF values, where is your CG at? Moving it rearward helps your turning significantly.

Ian Curtis 15-01-2009 17:12

Re: 4WD Turning Difficulties
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 800866)
If you have not hooked up a trailer to your robot, do it.

It may seem optimistic when you are driving just the robot, but as Paul said, it is just PAINFUL to drive with the trailer on.

Really? We've had a different experience. I find driving with the trailer is more enjoyable. Sure, there is a slight loss of control at first, but once you get the hang of it you can pull some really nifty tricks. That said, you need a pretty big practice area to get the hang of driving the thing. From a dead stop, driving really slowly we can barely make an about face on two sheets (with the trailer on).


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