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writchie 11-01-2009 20:19

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 798891)
Maybe I'm thinking too fair inside of the box but I don't see any point in this. What advantage would a propeller propulsion system give you in this years game. It seems as if it wouldn't give you much of an advantage and controlling it would be very difficult - more difficult than a robot sliding on the floor. I would put a bit more thought into this before I made the commitment to a propeller propulsion system.

Btw, I forget who said it but, There's no Air on the moon.

The maximum tractive force on the wheels is a little over 9 lbs at mu = 0.06. Surface and wheel conditions will alter this somewhat.

If you can provide additional propulsion from thrusters with performance on the order of 3 to 6 pounds, you can have significantly more propulsive force than other bots.

Thrust can be vectored, and control can come from driven wheels. So yes, maybe you're still inside the box. That being said, there are many difficulties as usual but FIRST teams have a way of overcoming those.

This year may provide more than the usual benefit to teams who do the math, validate with prototyping, and take a little more time designing their bot as long as they leave enough time for driver training and testing which will be even more important this year.

Yes, there's no air on the moon but there's no hydrazine thrusters allowed by the rules. So they offset each other ;)

BryantWebb 11-01-2009 20:20

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One of the main disadvantages I see to the propeller system is it operates the best on a light robot, but the lighter a robot is the easier it is pushed around. This is especially important in this years competition.

zrop 11-01-2009 20:31

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by BryantWebb (Post 798911)
One of the main disadvantages I see to the propeller system is it operates the best on a light robot, but the lighter a robot is the easier it is pushed around. This is especially important in this years competition.

But i think that propellers should give it pretty good handling if they can be turned quickly enough. Perhaps we would be able to avoid collisions? =D

MrForbes 11-01-2009 20:50

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Enough talk, let's see it driving a robot around! :)

zrop 11-01-2009 21:03

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 798931)
Enough talk, let's see it driving a robot around! :)

Them*

This is just the prototype, we'll need to fix this up and then.. build a whole new one...after that get them linked and make them rotate. Oh and our chassis still doesn't even have wheels.

So maybe we'll get a video of that by the end of week 2 at best.

cmwilson13 11-01-2009 21:06

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 798931)
Enough talk, let's see it driving a robot around! :)


Here is one
no power except props


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYdPk6jX2n4&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit2?ns=1&video_id=FYdPk6jX2n4&next=%2F my_videos2%3Fpi%3D0%26ps%3D20iurl=http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/FYdPk6jX2n4/hqdefault.jpg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQLHfJATBTA&eurl=http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edit2?ns=1&video_id=kQLHfJATBTA&next=%2F my_videos2%3Fpi%3D0%26ps%3D20iurl=http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kQLHfJATBTA/hqdefault.jpg&feature=player_embedded


this is just the kit bot chassis with unpowered rover wheels and fans

zrop 11-01-2009 21:13

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
Now that looks really appealing. What props are you using and what motors and gear ratios?

How do you plan to turn, or was this just a little test?

cmwilson13 11-01-2009 21:14

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
just a test

zrop 11-01-2009 21:17

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by zrop (Post 798954)
What props are you using and what motors and gear ratios?

??

cmwilson13 11-01-2009 21:20

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sry

FP direct drive and prop is 10 x 4.7.

zrop 11-01-2009 21:25

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by cmwilson13 (Post 798962)
sry

FP direct drive using the closest props they had at the hobby store, 10 x 4.7.

Well that's impressive for being so simple. I'd say you should try a bigger prop and a smaller pitch, because you'll increase thrust and decrease stalling.

Technically, a prop with a pitch of 2 would be ideal, seeing as how it's ideal speed is about 10 mph.. and i don't think you'd want to go faster than that.

Akash Rastogi 11-01-2009 21:27

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I guess 1771 just isnt ready to give away that Xerox Creativity award in Atlanta, are they? Hehe

Very nice job guys, you make the EWCP proud. :cool:

Btw, how much power is that sucking out of your battery? Test it out for 2+ minute runs and let us know..

cmwilson13 11-01-2009 21:30

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
we did all our testing today on one battery and it never droped below 12 volts

zrop 11-01-2009 21:34

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
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Originally Posted by cmwilson13 (Post 798972)
we did all our testing today on one battery and it never droped below 12 volts

We that makes sense, because running propellers doesn't need that much resistance, making the work load fairly easy on the motors. The trick is gearing it so that you get maximum rpm on the prop while getting the max power output out of the motors. XD

viperred396 12-01-2009 02:09

Re: Team 2526 - Propeller Propulsion Prototype.
 
Cool idea but does it have enough force to pull the trailer behind you?


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