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Ryan Dognaux 14-01-2009 11:51

Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
http://www.vimeo.com/2823666

Over the past week, 1646 has been playing around with different shooter variations to see how the ball would react. Check it out.

Warning: video features gratuitous amounts of Kyle Love.

its da PAT!!! 14-01-2009 11:58

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
UNHH SON!!!!

MrForbes 14-01-2009 12:07

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Nice! Do you plan to build a goal (trailer) and see how it performs with topspin, backspin, and neutral (two rollers)?

Ryan Dognaux 14-01-2009 12:15

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 800761)
Nice! Do you plan to build a goal (trailer) and see how it performs with topspin, backspin, and neutral (two rollers)?

Yes, the trailer was finished after the videos were shot but we were simulating the best we could at that point. We found we got the most distance when we ran them at the same speed. When we tried putting some backspin on the ball by running one slower, it didn't shoot very well, but we also didn't spend a ton of time on that either so I'm sure it could be perfected.

Brandon Holley 14-01-2009 12:21

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Good work guys!

Our shooter is producing very similar results.

Was the shooting the ball into a ramp part of an initial design consideration or was that just a quick way to prototype launch angle?

Jared Russell 14-01-2009 12:25

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Thanks for posting this! It will be very helpful as a frame of reference for teams who want to use shooters.

What gear ratio did you use on the CIM (looks like 1:1)?

XXShadowXX 14-01-2009 12:27

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One improvement, when the ball is going to the goal in slow motion, you should play chariots of fire...

but in all reality nice design

sloteera 14-01-2009 12:28

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"Sorry, this video no longer exists":(

I'd like to watch...

Fireworks 234 14-01-2009 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sloteera (Post 800773)
"Sorry, this video no longer exists":(

I'd like to watch...

Try again...Worked fine for me. :)

crazykid234 14-01-2009 12:37

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abwehr (Post 800771)
Thanks for posting this! It will be very helpful as a frame of reference for teams who want to use shooters.

What gear ratio did you use on the CIM (looks like 1:1)?

both prototypes used an AM Gen2 gearbox in high gear and a 1:1 sprocket reduction, so I think the reduction is 4.17:1. I know some other teams run faster, but we figured this gives you some torque to keep the wheels up to speed if you're planning on firing a lot of moon rocks in a short span of time (wink wink nudge nudge);)

sloteera 14-01-2009 12:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fireworks 234 (Post 800776)
Try again...Worked fine for me. :)


No chance...

I tried with Firefox, Safari and IE and couldn't see...
May be some problem with IP range????

Ryan Dognaux 14-01-2009 12:48

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 800768)
Good work guys!

Our shooter is producing very similar results.

Was the shooting the ball into a ramp part of an initial design consideration or was that just a quick way to prototype launch angle?

A little of both really. We just used a bunch of wooden boards to see how much the ball would compress and shoot. Eventually it gets to the point where the ball is compressed too much and springs out as it's coming out.

Taylor 14-01-2009 12:52

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Some say "More Cowbell" - I say "More Kyle Love"

Brandon Holley 14-01-2009 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 800790)
A little of both really. We just used a bunch of wooden boards to see how much the ball would compress and shoot. Eventually it gets to the point where the ball is compressed too much and springs out as it's coming out.

Yeah we discovered the same thing...Our prototype allowed for compression of the ball from 5 inch up to 9 inch, so we saw how the ball reacted at a bunch of different compressions.

its da PAT!!! 14-01-2009 15:31

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 800791)
Some say "More Cowbell" - I say "More Kyle Love"

i agree with Mr. Taylor needs more "uhh son!"

IndySam 14-01-2009 15:52

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 800791)
Some say "More Cowbell" - I say "More Kyle Love"

Well you didn't spend 30 hours in a minivan with him!

There is a definite limit of how much Dr. Love I can take.

Ryan Dognaux 14-01-2009 17:20

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
http://www.vimeo.com/2827930

More Kyle Love.

suj 14-01-2009 20:14

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thats great i hope that the sand paper falling off isn't common

RoboTigers1796 14-01-2009 20:27

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cool stuff. Can't wait to see your final design

Ryan Dognaux 14-01-2009 21:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suj (Post 801101)
thats great i hope that the sand paper falling off isn't common

Haha no, that was the very first time we fired it up. The sandpaper roughs up the balls pretty quickly, but it also grips them extremely well.

Darkf 14-01-2009 22:13

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i like alot:D :yikes:

VanMan 14-01-2009 23:33

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
With our new method that we came up with tonight, we shot balls about 20 feet accurately running on a 1,000 rpm drill, so with a real motor it should get interesting.

spc295 15-01-2009 01:22

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VanMan (Post 801235)
With our new method that we came up with tonight, we shot balls about 20 feet accurately running on a 1,000 rpm drill, so with a real motor it should get interesting.

and whats your new method?

Taylor 16-01-2009 11:51

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 800918)
Well you didn't spend 30 hours in a minivan with him!

There is a definite limit of how much Dr. Love I can take.

And...I have not had that pleasure. And...I can see your point. And...you may have something there.

Kyle Love 17-01-2009 18:31

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The final shooting design is getting it's final tweaks this weekend and production is starting to being! Exciting times at Lafayette Jeff High School.

dani190 17-01-2009 18:32

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nice, we will hopefully be prototyping the next few days and also start building...

Alex Cormier 17-01-2009 21:12

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 801132)
Haha no, that was the very first time we fired it up. The sandpaper roughs up the balls pretty quickly, but it also grips them extremely well.

I have had many thoughts about using sandpaper this year, but would it be legal to do the shooter wheel with it? Due to the damage it does to the ball.

Sebastian1646 24-01-2009 17:43

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uh-son

BEASTY!!!!!

meastman 24-01-2009 18:29

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Your prototype seems to work well. Do you plan on aiming with the camera?

ps I love the dramatic music

Kyle Love 24-01-2009 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meastman (Post 807360)
Your prototype seems to work well. Do you plan on aiming with the camera?

ps I love the dramatic music

More then likely.

sbrumund 24-01-2009 22:55

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
We are considering driving the ball throwing wheels directly of the 2 1/2 CMI Motor and controlling the motor speeds.

We have not been able to locate a coupler to go from the 8mm motor shaft to the .5" shaft in the wheels or a motor busing to do the same

In a high torque appication like this a key way would be necessary making this a difficult part to make or purchase.

Anyone know where we can purchase this strange bushing?

shawn1231 25-01-2009 01:17

Re: Team 1646 Shooter Prototypes Video
 
We encountered the same problem. We ended up using a Poly-Cord belt for to drive our shooter. We found pulleys at the hardware store but they only came in 1/2" and up. So we started looking around and found a shaft collar/bushing that is about 1 1/2" long and has two large set screws. It just so happens that this 5/16" collar fit the 8mm shaft and that it was exactly 5/8" in diameter. So we bought a pulley to fit the 5/8" bushing.

I don't know about a keyway though. We were able to do it without one simply because our pulley had a gigantic set screw and our bushing has two. If you find that a keyway is not necessary though, definitely try poking around the hardware store just to see what you can stumble across.


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