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kirtar

16-01-2009 10:45

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

Now something that I'm wondering is: Will <G14> carry from qualification to elimination (e.g. you score >3x on your last qual and get picked)? Probably... unfortunately, I have a feeling that it will.

dgraves702

16-01-2009 13:32

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

I'm wondering if G14 will be assessed during Elimination Rounds, as it can potentially have a much bigger effect than in the qualification matches.

The penalty is assigned to each TEAM in the offending ALLIANCE. In the qualifying matches, those teams will not be together in their next match, so unless by coincidence more than one team is penalized, the effect of the penalty will be minimal.

In ELIMINATION matches though, the alliance stays together, meaning that if they end up with the 3x score, then 64 potential points come off the table before the next match even begins (all four Super Cells and 2 Empty Cells).

Dave Scheck

16-01-2009 13:36

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 801941)

Our goal is to get a G14 penalty in every match we play

Raul, is that you? :rolleyes:

Waynep

16-01-2009 14:01

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

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Originally Posted by Dave Scheck (Post 802218)

Raul, is that you? :rolleyes:

That's his twin. Separated at birth Pa-ul.....

I'm with Copioli on this one. I'm using G14 as a motivational rule.

Jared Russell

16-01-2009 14:02

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

I could see some interesting repercussions of <G14> in the playoffs...

(it does apply in the playoffs, does it not? EDIT: It sure looks that way from the rulebook)

Rich Kressly

16-01-2009 14:06

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 801941)

I have a theory.

A very low percentage of alliances will actually score more than 2 super cells anyway, so up to 2 teams in an alliance can have 2 super cells / empty cells taken away without it mattering. Let me explain.

Two teams on an allinace get 2 super cells each in their fueling stations. One team gets 4 empty cells. If two teams in an alliance get their super cells / empty cells taken away, then you put one in a fueling station and one in an outpost and you still will have 2 empty cells and 2 super cells left.

Based on this fact, we are not sweating G14. Our goal is to get a G14 penalty in every match we play! I love this game!!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Paul Copioli again"

Paul, as usual, focuses us on a very important thought.

Jared Russell

16-01-2009 14:09

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

If I Alliance A beats Alliance B in the first round of an elimination match by a score of 30 to 8, alliance A would not have any super cells in the second match... (each payload specialist would lose 2 game pieces).

And what if in the semifinals, you blow out your opponent in the final match? You get to start the finals without any 15 point game pieces!

GaryVoshol

16-01-2009 15:12

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

Any chance anyone would view running up the score as egregious behavior? Ah'm jist askin'.

EricH

16-01-2009 15:14

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 802281)

Any chance anyone would view running up the score as egregious behavior? Ah'm jist askin'.

Not me. Some will, but did anyone complain when the Sooners ran up 60+ points per game against opponents who scored, for the most part, less than 20? (Other than fans of the losing teams, that is.)

Rick TYler

16-01-2009 15:22

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Originally Posted by smurfgirl (Post 801882)

I think this will be most beneficial to audience members, especially people who haven't been that exposed to the game (families/friends/other guests). The people on the field probably could keep decent track of it themselves.

As the Seattle Regional Scorekeeper last year and this year, I can only say THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU to whoever made tracking this an automatic process. Keeping track of the match-to-match scores of 50+ robots would be a nightmare for the poor, overworked scorekeeper. Trust me. :)

Justin Montois

17-01-2009 09:50

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 802281)

Any chance anyone would view running up the score as egregious behavior? Ah'm jist askin'.

I think some people will. The purpose of the rule is to keep the games close and discourage teams from blowing other alliances out.

Purposely ignoring the rule and piling on anyway seems pretty egregious, not to mention not very GP and I think some people will take offsense to seeing a strong alliance blast another one out of the water.

Personally, I'm split. I don't like the thought of ignoring the rule but I love seeing a strong robot dominating at what it's designed to do.

Karthik

17-01-2009 10:35

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 802281)

Any chance anyone would view running up the score as egregious behavior? Ah'm jist askin'.

As a team who has often been looked down upon for winning matches by large margins, I can assure you there will be complaints. (Funny, that the people who were upset at us for supposedly running up the score, were the same people who complained when we actively scored for our opponents.)

jgannon

17-01-2009 10:56

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Originally Posted by 340x4xLife (Post 802334)

The purpose of the rule is to keep the games close and discourage teams from blowing other alliances out.

Since this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere, you might want to be careful asserting it as fact.

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Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 795184)

I do have to ask: why are you so convinced that the GDC was attempting to "level the playing field"? [...] I can tell you that some of those publicly stated assumptions (including those concerning the rationale behind Rule <G14>) are just flat out wrong. Perhaps there were reasons other than "leveling the playing field" [...] that might have affected the design of the game?

Paul Copioli

17-01-2009 11:22

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

To me, actively scoring for the opponent is worse than playing your best.

In addition, stopping to try your hardest in a match is just as bad.

To me, it is disrespectful to score for the other team and FIRST is basically encouraging it (so I do not fault teams that do it).

We will not score for the other team. We will not stop trying hard. As a result, we will get a lot of G14 penalties if we are lucky enough to be partnered with great teams. The message I am sending to my students is this:

Be respectful at all times even if it means scoring more than 3x the opponents score on the field.

Justin Montois

17-01-2009 11:29

Re: Should you invoke the wrath of <G14>, the whole world will know!

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Originally Posted by jgannon (Post 802369)

Since this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere, you might want to be careful asserting it as fact.

If you ask the majority of the teams why they think the rule is in place I think they would tell you that it's to discourage teams form running up the score.

What else could it be?

To encourage blowing out the other alliance? Certainly not.

If you get penalized for blowing out your opposing alliance, it seems to me that the GDC wanted to discourage that.

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