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s_forbes 01-20-2009 07:27 PM

pic: Fisher Price gearbox
 

JesseK 01-20-2009 07:28 PM

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But the manual labor is half the fun!

Looks good for the first time! Let us know how this works out for you.

GUI 01-20-2009 11:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseK (Post 804722)
But the manual labor is half the fun!

Looks good for the first time! Let us know how this works out for you.

The manual labor wasn't so hard, it just took a while :p

We got this bolted on and made the part it drives today (video coming soon, watch for a thread in Robot Showcase), and it seems to work great. The trickiest part about this was getting the spacing between the motor and bearing holes right, and armed with a trusty 64ths inch ruler, we got it close enough that the gears mesh fine. At full speed it didn't seem to have any problems.

MrForbes 01-20-2009 11:51 PM

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video of it in action, turning a roller, which does not do anything yet :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNH4hb7crFU

nixiebunny 01-20-2012 12:52 AM

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The 2012 FP gearbox is worse in terms of usability. I took one of ours apart, and it has orange gears with small octagonal holes instead of 3/8" hex holes.

I'm thinking about boring out the gear on the lathe to fit a 1/4" or 5/16" round shaft and using a metal hub to clamp the gear to the shaft. A bit of extra work, but life's like that.

nixiebunny 01-20-2012 12:54 AM

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We need Kevin to weigh in, then we'll have five Forbeses on one thread. A new record!

s_forbes 01-20-2012 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nixiebunny (Post 1109562)
The 2012 FP gearbox is worse in terms of usability. I took one of ours apart, and it has orange gears with small octagonal holes instead of 3/8" hex holes.

I heard that.... and I was disappointed. Fortunately we have lots of old gearboxes stocked up from previous years, so we have lots of lightweight plastic hex bore 20dp gears laying around. R24 seems to grant us access to use them all that we want. I saw at least 10 gearboxes in the shop, you need any?

If you have access to a mill, you could probably machine an octagonal shaft if needed. It sure is easier to use off-the-shelf hex stock though.

Akash Rastogi 01-20-2012 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nixiebunny (Post 1109564)
... five Forbeses on one thread. A new record!

There's no way this is safe.

MrForbes 01-20-2012 09:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nixiebunny (Post 1109564)
We need Kevin to weigh in, then we'll have five Forbeses on one thread. A new record!

dude!


Anyways...interesting, we need to take apart the new FP transmission, and see what it's like, and also see how many old ones we have. I know we have two of the old white first stage gears, but we may need one more if we do what we were discussing last night for transmission for this year's robot.

We were planning on using a single stage FP motor/gear to drive the shooter, and a two stage to drive the collecting roller/conveyer.

TheOtherGuy 01-20-2012 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nixiebunny (Post 1109564)
We need Kevin to weigh in, then we'll have five Forbeses on one thread. A new record!

Now why would I go and do a thing like that?

How many old FP gearboxes does 1726 have laying around? Perhaps we could borrow a gear...

billbo911 01-20-2012 12:34 PM

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I love the simplicity of this design, and may copy, er em... use this idea if we find a need for it. I love re-using the parts already supplied to us.

My only concern is that shock loads might cause a bit more damage to the plastic gear in this configuration. When the full gear set is used, there will be less impact on this pinion/gear interface caused by shock loads, like the ball going through the shooter.

I know it's early, but have you seen any problems yet, or anticipate any?

Chris is me 01-20-2012 12:50 PM

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In true 2791 fashion, we were considering copying the wisdom of the Forbes family. But we'll probably stick to the aluminium gear we got off of SDP-SI instead of the plastic FP gears, because we don't have any good FP transmissions lying around. Cons of being a younger team, oh well.

WileyB-J 01-20-2012 01:30 PM

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Our team did a similar design, taking a FP blue gear; then putting it in a toughbox chassis. We bolted two 9013 motors to it and attached it to our prototype shooter. It sounded like a bloody circular saw and ran nearly as fast as one, here's the results:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wileyb-...eam?likes_hd=1

As you can see, not quite the results of bolting a CIM to the shooter:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wileyb-...n/photostream/

Oh well, time to make our own ratios/gearbox!

P.S one of the students destroyed it by running the motors reverse when it was at full speed! Snapped a 9013 shaft and ruined the plastic gear, oops!

nixiebunny 01-20-2012 04:05 PM

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You don't need to use FP gearbox gears, apparently. I googled the fisher price pinion gear pitch and found a CD thread that says that the FP gear is 0.8mm module, which translates to 31.75 diametral pitch.

McMaster Carr sells 32 pitch nylon gears in useful sizes for cheap!

http://www.mcmaster.com/#plastic-gears/=fw31pg

We'll try this out.

MrForbes 01-20-2012 05:44 PM

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neat! but they don't have the magical hex bore in them...

btw I found the gearbox from the original picture, it's in good shape still and we can swipe the gear and bearings and possibly the motor from it.

The wood spacer is really nifty....


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