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Well, we might as well have at it again.
I'll start by saying I don't believe this is legal, because corners A and B are not protected on both sides of the corner. I think it is made very clear by the GDC in their response in this Q/A forum post http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=10933 In the above picture, I see two corners, A and B, each with one side that does not satisfy the "Both sides of the corner must be protected by BUMPER segments" ruling. |
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I think that means that you need room on the back for 6" on each side of the pivot area. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. -Rizner |
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this pic was posted to explain in the current thread running of "is this corner considered protected" discussion goes there
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I call this configuration LEGAL within the rules set forth in the competition manual. It clearly meets the intent and follows all published rules.
Corners A and B do not have to be protected on both sides of the corners because a Q/A response is not a rule. BTW, I love this topic. We could debate this for years and you could make a good argument either way. |
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Yeah, it could go on forever...
I think the Q&A response gives the GDC's meaning of "protected" as having BUMPERS on both sides of each corner. I sure hope they get that into the rules, if that's their intent. |
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The original intent of this design was to allow the robot to turn tight on the trailer.
This is all in vein. The trailer that everybody built has a ¾ pipe that the hitch assembly allows the trailer tung to move up to 90 degrees. The competition trailer is different and has a 1 inch x 1 inch square pipe with a short pin that is inserted and secured. If you turn the trailer more than 30 degrees the square pipe of the trailer hits the trailer hitch of the robot which is a violation. A turn of 35 degrees gets you to a contact point of a normal square cornered robot. There is no advantage to gain the 5 degrees. Although I like this year’s game they have tied up the design rules so tight that everybody’s robot is going to be very similar. They are chocking our creative design ideas with every turn. I miss the day’s when you could make it open up as big as you want and did not have to worry about bumpers. |
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If you want to see this discussed with reference to the Q&A go the "Is this corner protected" thread. The image was created to supplement my latest response.
Scott Edit: I do not believe this configuration is in conflict with the Q&A GDC responses. |
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That was a "No-no." :mad: |
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There is no way (in my opinion) that this is a legal frame. The GDC has clearly and repeatedly stated through the Q&A that all bumper perimeter corners must be protected on both sides by a bumper segment of at least 6 inches. You are taking an enormous risk if you play the "it's not a rule" card.
Rules don't trump other rules, ALL rules must be obeyed. There is no way that the configuration shown meets all of the rules set forth by the GDC. We went through this same process with concave openings on the front of the machine (see this), and the GDC was firm in reaffirming that the rules are the rules. Hopefully the GDC responds to your question clearly and unambiguously, but we've been snakebitten by the letter of the law before. Good luck! |
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