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zrop 03-02-2009 13:00

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 813406)
If you are using the Jaguar I would recommend you use the limit switch function to prevent a change in direction. If using a Victor, install a line in software to prevent counter rotation.

Why would this be necessary??

martin417 03-02-2009 13:05

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 813406)
If you are using the Jaguar I would recommend you use the limit switch function to prevent a change in direction.

The limit switch function of the Jaguars is off limits this year (by rule, see Q&A). You may not use them. The jumpers must remain in place

Rick TYler 03-02-2009 13:06

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigHickman (Post 812577)
I'll have a Kevlar helmet you can borrow, as well as glasses capable of withstanding a shotgun's deerslug at 5m. (Yay ROTC!)

Perhaps the glasses would withstand a 12-gauge deerslug, but your face behind them won't. Just saying...

zrop 03-02-2009 13:10

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 813415)
The limit switch function of the Jaguars is off limits this year (by rule, see Q&A). You may not use them. The jumpers must remain in place

What is this 'limit switch function' you refer to?

billbo911 03-02-2009 15:07

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 813415)
The limit switch function of the Jaguars is off limits this year (by rule, see Q&A). You may not use them. The jumpers must remain in place

Confirmed, maybe.
Here is the quote from the Q/A:
Quote:

No, the limit switch inputs on the Jaguar speed controllers are not legal for use this year. This would be a violation of Rule <R62>. The rules in the Manual supersede all other documentation.
The problem is, <R62> is about the Solenoid breakout board, not the limit switch inputs on the Jaguars.
Quote:

<R62> Solenoid Breakout outputs shall be connected to pneumatic valve solenoids only. No other
devices shall be connected to these outputs.
<R61> Talks about the CAN Bus, but also does not limit the use of the limit switch inputs.
Quote:

<R61> Every speed controller, relay module, and servo shall be connected via PWM cable to the
Digital Sidecar, and be controlled by signals provided from the Mobile Device Controller via
the Digital Sidecar. They shall not be controlled by signals from any other source.

A. Support for the CAN bus port on the Jaguar speed controllers is prohibited for this
competition, and the port is not to be used. Nothing shall be connected to the CAN bus
port. It is recommended that the port be protected with a piece of tape to prevent debris
from entering the port.
So, not trying to be contrary to the GDC's responses, just exactly where in the manual does it specifically rule out the use of the limit switch inputs??
I would ask this question myself of the GDC, but I do not have permission to post on the Q/A forum, only read.

Al Skierkiewicz 03-02-2009 15:15

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Martin,
I was just asking myself the same thing. I think there may be confusion between the CAN bus and the limit jumpers. BTW, I did not see the Q&A response.
Second, please disregard Rev F there were errors now superceded by Rev G.

Russ Beavis 03-02-2009 15:19

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread...ghlight=jaguar

billbo911 03-02-2009 15:34

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
I just took my own advice and re-read <R61>. I now see why the answer is as it is. Their original post was mentioning <R62>, it has now been corrected.

I concur, Limit switch input is off limits via the Jaguar. See the BOLD section of the <R61> quote above. It shows the answer.

dlavery 03-02-2009 15:39

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Make sure you are looking at the latest rev of the manual and the latest rev of the question. They were out of sync for one rev due to a numbering problem (thank you, Microsoft). But that seems to have now been addressed and corrected. The Q&A answer appears to be pointing to the correct rule, as correctly numbered (again) in the manual.

-dave



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Woody1458 05-02-2009 03:07

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 813488)
Make sure you are looking at the latest rev of the manual and the latest rev of the question. They were out of sync for one rev due to a numbering problem (thank you, Microsoft). But that seems to have now been addressed and corrected. The Q&A answer appears to be pointing to the correct rule, as correctly numbered (again) in the manual.

-dave

This just in, Dave Lavery is a Apple supporter. Spread the word.

rspurlin 05-02-2009 09:43

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
A couple of years ago at the Peachtree regional, one team added ballast to their robot using a container filled with bb's. We only discovered this when the container ruptured during a match and spilled this former ballast across the floor. Despite a serious vacuum session immediately and at every break thereafter, we were still finding bb's when we packed up the field.

I've been a regional and a championship ref and every year we pick up a small box full of parts dropped off robots during competition. Please do not underestimate this hazard that others have already described to you.

Your design has to take into account safety in conditions which are out of your control. This is why we have negative reactions to your insistence that some of these failure scenarios won't or can't happen. What might seem safe while working in your own controlled environment is possibly highly unsafe when surrounded by hundreds of people completely unaware of your design and dozens of robots that might not be as well built as yours.

I would not be surprised at all if a lead inspector deems your design as it stands too unsafe for competition. The head ref at each regional also has the prerogative to prevent an unsafe robot from competing and might not take an engineering inspired view. It might be more of an emotional view like the previous poster who would not drive a Smart car no matter what the safety engineers say.

Personally I hope to see your robot on the field, even if just to see the backwash clear the scoring table of all its paper.

Molten 05-02-2009 16:40

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody1458 (Post 814514)
This just in, Dave Lavery is a Apple supporter. Spread the word.

Next year's game involves apples. What could it be? Let's all head to our local orchards to do research!:P

David Brinza 05-02-2009 16:46

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody1458 (Post 814514)
This just in, Dave Lavery is a Apple supporter. Spread the word.

Dave's Mac is autographed by "Woz".

I don't think he's very shy about being an Apple supporter...

IndySam 05-02-2009 16:47

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Molten (Post 814856)
Next year's game involves apples. What could it be? Let's all head to our local orchards to do research!:P

Don't ask Dave about apples, he'll start talking about penguins,

carbuff 05-02-2009 17:04

Re: For those who are skeptical about propellers - Team 2526
 
my team has one and it only creates two punds of thrust


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