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eitang 29-03-2009 06:06
Question: Championship Divisions
 
When are the Championship divisions published.

I can't wait to see who were up against.

Chris Fultz 29-03-2009 07:16
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Not until the week after all regionals and the Michigan Championship.

FIRST needs to allow all of those qualifying teams to register, and fill the field with waitlist teams.

Joe Ross 29-03-2009 10:56
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2008, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3 days after the end of the last regional).

Magnechu 30-03-2009 09:35
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

Fireworks 234 30-03-2009 09:42
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnechu (Post 843027)
What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?
It's released during the Championship. Not prior, unfortunately.

Nick Lawrence 31-03-2009 22:25
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.

The Lucas 31-03-2009 23:03
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D

mtaman02 01-04-2009 09:13
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnechu (Post 843027)
What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?
All match schedules are generated the afternoon / evening before the actual schedule taking affect. Wed. generates Thur. Matches, Thur generates Fri & Sat matches.

EricLeifermann 01-04-2009 10:18
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 844154)
Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D
Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.

Koko Ed 01-04-2009 11:26
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 844154)
Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway :D
I've been busy so I didn't bother doing it this year.

Tom Bottiglieri 01-04-2009 12:32
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Here you go.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/

jennifer_1547 01-04-2009 12:52
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
no i dont want to wait ! i want to know like now :)

sydney_1547 01-04-2009 13:01
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
i want ur profile picture :)

jennifer_1547 01-04-2009 13:01
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence (Post 844114)
Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.
i dont have the patience to wait for the listings
i hateeee suspence :)

The Lucas 01-04-2009 13:59
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 844321)
Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.
No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.

Rob 02-04-2009 08:56
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 844402)
Thanks for putting this together again Tom. You really put the "TB" in "TBA"!

Andrew Schuetze 02-04-2009 14:55
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 844445)
No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).
So I had not really followed the Michigan district plan much until now. Guaranteed 18 advancing teams plus any that won at outside regionals or recieved an open bid.

Hijacking this thread a bit here, so why would other high FRC team number states not want to adopt this pilot program for their state? Michigan has 132 teams, New York 122, California 145, Texas 91 ...

As of 1:30 CDST April 2nd Texas has 13 registered with maybe a couple more finding the cash to pay for their winning bid by Friday. So maybe it is a non-issue. Texas has 2 regional events as of this year so without a team(s) winning both that gives 3 champions, 1 Chairman, 1 Engineering Inspiration, 1 Rookie All-Star at each for a dozen teams guaranteed to World Championship if they are all Texas teams as we do have several veterans who like to come to Texas for some strong competition.

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?

Akash Rastogi 02-04-2009 15:06
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 844402)
I hope it ends up like the Serpentine division algorithm. Curie is a nice field with that one. Easier with the Normal algorithm.

EricH 02-04-2009 15:15
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Schuetze (Post 845025)
Hijacking this thread a bit here, so why would other high FRC team number states not want to adopt this pilot program for their state? Michigan has 132 teams, New York 122, California 145, Texas 91 ...

[...]

What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?
California has more regionals than MI did (4), but all the teams are concentrated in 4 places (2 for all you folks who don't know CA geography very well--they're farther apart than you think): Los Angeles, San Diego, the Silicon Valley, and Sacramento. There are pockets in other areas, namely the central coast, home to 973 and 1388, and the desert areas. (Not sure if 399 goes with the L.A. grouping or the desert grouping...)

However, the teams already play each other almost exclusively. L.A. doesn't get many out-of-state teams (other than 188, 1726, and 69--the only repeat out-of-state teams I know about in recent years), but is always full. SVR and Sacramento are more of the same. SD gets more, but not very many. To put it frankly, you'd pretty much be doing the same thing as normal.

The question is, where are you going to put the districts? If you split each regional into two, you get 8 district events in 4 areas. And then you get the MI UP dillemma: Do you leave the district zone and go to Vegas (or Oregon, or AZ), or do you travel to your closest district event (which requires staying overnight)?

The only way to make the district system work in California would be to also include Nevada and Arizona. This is to avoid the MI UP dilemma (as now Vegas is in the district area, and AZ, which supplies many teams to Vegas, is as well) and give a bit of a "buffer zone". But now you need more districts, maybe about 10-12, and that increases costs. And where on earth do you hold the "Zone" championship? How about the number of qualifying teams?

Con #1, though, is the district system is still "buggy" in some respects. The point system is the notable one, though that seems to be working (mostly). But, before the district model goes nationwide, I for one would like to see the pilot program run for one more year with changes to verify that any bugs are out.

It may be that the district model only works in MI, but certain aspects like event format can work elsewhere. I'd like to see the parts that work implemented nationwide, but the parts that don't work removed.

Alan Anderson 02-04-2009 15:21
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Schuetze (Post 845025)
What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?
The one big negative I see is that teams outside the region are not allowed to participate in any of the district events. A smaller negative is that teams inside the region are strongly constrained in their ability to participate in other regional competitions.

As a member of a team with a strong goal of visiting new places and meeting new people, I would find those restrictions uncomfortable. Whether or not the reduced expense would make up for it is a matter of debate.

AdamHeard 02-04-2009 15:42
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 845030)
California has more regionals than MI did (4), but all the teams are concentrated in 4 places (2 for all you folks who don't know CA geography very well--they're farther apart than you think): Los Angeles, San Diego, the Silicon Valley, and Sacramento. There are pockets in other areas, namely the central coast, home to 973 and 1388, and the desert areas. (Not sure if 399 goes with the L.A. grouping or the desert grouping...)

However, the teams already play each other almost exclusively. L.A. doesn't get many out-of-state teams (other than 188, 1726, and 69--the only repeat out-of-state teams I know about in recent years), but is always full. SVR and Sacramento are more of the same. SD gets more, but not very many. To put it frankly, you'd pretty much be doing the same thing as normal.

The question is, where are you going to put the districts? If you split each regional into two, you get 8 district events in 4 areas. And then you get the MI UP dillemma: Do you leave the district zone and go to Vegas (or Oregon, or AZ), or do you travel to your closest district event (which requires staying overnight)?

The only way to make the district system work in California would be to also include Nevada and Arizona. This is to avoid the MI UP dilemma (as now Vegas is in the district area, and AZ, which supplies many teams to Vegas, is as well) and give a bit of a "buffer zone". But now you need more districts, maybe about 10-12, and that increases costs. And where on earth do you hold the "Zone" championship? How about the number of qualifying teams?

Con #1, though, is the district system is still "buggy" in some respects. The point system is the notable one, though that seems to be working (mostly). But, before the district model goes nationwide, I for one would like to see the pilot program run for one more year with changes to verify that any bugs are out.

It may be that the district model only works in MI, but certain aspects like event format can work elsewhere. I'd like to see the parts that work implemented nationwide, but the parts that don't work removed.
Yup, 1717, 1388 and us are all central coast (Santa Barbara through San Luis Obispo approximately). If district events were made, we'd have to stay overnight anywhere it'd make sense to have one. If they made one at the central coast, if it was near 1717 we'd have to stay overnight, and vice-verca. Not to mention all other teams attending would have to stay overnight.

The only Pro I see for the district event (to my specific team, not evaluating the program as a whole) is going into champs with WAAAAAAAAAY more matches than everyone else.

Jon Jack 02-04-2009 19:56
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
IF the district system did go nationwide, it would probably look very different than it does now. For example, what about smaller states like Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Montana? You can't run a district system in a state with 3 teams, can you?

I would imagine larger states like CA, MI, TX, etc would become their own district systems and then large groups of smaller states like the ones listed above will become their own.

The western region would probably look something like:
  • CA
  • Pacific Northwest (WA, OR, ID, MT, AK)
  • Southwest (NV, AZ, NM, CO, UT)

Each group would have their own district systems until the need for district realignment came up.

Lil' Lavery 02-04-2009 20:23
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Schuetze (Post 845025)
What are the con's for adopting the Michican district model?
No full practice day at venues.
Events with an "off-season" feel (though team spirit of a regional).
A complete restructuring of the infrastructure.
More volunteers needed.
Not a viable option in most states/regions.

Josh Goodman 02-04-2009 21:16
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I'm glad that before even the regionals end.....1114, 217 and 148 are in the same division they were last year....It's always a comforting thought. :yikes:

Fe_Will 02-04-2009 22:21
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Jack (Post 845131)
IF the district system did go nationwide, it would probably look very different than it does now. For example, what about smaller states like Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Montana? You can't run a district system in a state with 3 teams, can you?
Last time I checked there were more than 3 teams in several of the states listed. Does the rest of FRC not see what we do up here? Sometimes I wonder...

Jon Jack 02-04-2009 22:39
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fe_Will (Post 845192)
Last time I checked there were more than 3 teams in several of the states listed. Does the rest of FRC not see what we do up here? Sometimes I wonder...
Obviously Oregon has more than 3 teams. I think you guys have one of the biggest growth rates in FIRST since the 2006 season. I wasn't trying to say that Oregon only had 3 teams. However, the 28 teams in Oregon are not enough to do a district structure. I suppose you could do a very small state championship, but most likely I could see places like Oregon (28 teams), Washington (49 teams), Montana (4 teams), Idaho (9 teams), Alaska (3 teams) and the Dakotas (5 teams) being lumped together into one district system.

IF districting went nationwide, FIRST isn't going to leave the smaller states like MT, ID, AK, ND and SD out in the cold. This means that at least in the beginning they will be lumped with other states.

However, I think this thread should be returned to it's original topic.

Akash Rastogi 02-04-2009 23:05
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Jack (Post 845199)
However, I think this thread should be returned to it's original topic.
Thank you!

Usually, are the TBA algorithms correct? And which algorithm is used ecah year? Normal or serpentine?

thefro526 02-04-2009 23:17
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 845206)
Thank you!

Usually, are the TBA algorithms correct? And which algorithm is used ecah year? Normal or serpentine?
I think they alternate. Some years Serpentine is used and some years the normal one is used. As to what one will be used, your guess is as good mine.

Jon Jack 03-04-2009 00:47
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
If I remember correctly, the last few years have been A,B,C,D,A,B...

However TBA has it set up, it's still pretty far from being settled. There are still 12 teams from the MSC that have yet to receive invites, as well as 12 teams from the two MN regionals this weekend. I imagine there are also several teams that will get their payment in at the last minute and be added to the list.

Travis Hoffman 03-04-2009 01:30
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I still wouldn't mind seeing an AAAA, BBBB, CCCC, DDDD ...... arrangement.

Lil' Lavery 03-04-2009 01:50
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Jack (Post 845226)
If I remember correctly, the last few years have been A,B,C,D,A,B...

However TBA has it set up, it's still pretty far from being settled. There are still 12 teams from the MSC that have yet to receive invites, as well as 12 teams from the two MN regionals this weekend. I imagine there are also several teams that will get their payment in at the last minute and be added to the list.
It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php

waialua359 03-04-2009 04:35
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Too bad there are more regionals. :mad:
Having 25, 368, 987, and 1983 in the same division would be AWESOME!!!

Peter Matteson 03-04-2009 10:10
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I like the normal algorithem. It puts us in Curie for a shot at completing the set...

The Lucas 03-04-2009 13:02
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 845209)
I think they alternate. Some years Serpentine is used and some years the normal one is used. As to what one will be used, your guess is as good mine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 845241)
It was ABCD in 2008, but not in 2007. 2007 used a different formula.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cd/divisionparse.php
They have never used serpentine for all of the teams. However some say that odd pattern in 2007 was inspired by serpentine pattern.

I am now wondering how many teams will be at CMP this year. There are currently 320 teams registered and 30 more can qualify tomorrow. Hopefully the field will run smoothly for all these matches

chanj 03-04-2009 14:13
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.

Cory 03-04-2009 15:20
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chanj (Post 845412)
I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.
Nope. To the best of my knowledge it's never happened that way before.

Aren_Hill 03-04-2009 15:33
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Goodman (Post 845163)
I'm glad that before even the regionals end.....1114, 217 and 148 are in the same division
i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot

Josh Goodman 03-04-2009 16:02
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 845443)
i'm gonna put it out there that that alliance will not happen this year at champs, none of those 3 are falling to a 3rd bot
Oh yeah....I'd be willing to bet that too. But you never know ;)

The Lucas 03-04-2009 18:19
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chanj (Post 845412)
I thought what happened was that they had posted out the list, but as more teams joined, they just threw them on to the back of the divisions.
They do that for a very limited number of teams (like 348 and 1771 last year) that join after the list is out. The list in 2007 was very different (out of order) when it was first posted.

Greg Peshek 04-04-2009 18:02
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?

If they have to do it at the event, does that mean the list on TBA is pretty accurate? Assuming FIRST uses that algorithm of course.

EricH 04-04-2009 18:31
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Peshek (Post 845825)
When's the latest time for the teams who just qualified to register? Do they have to do it at the event, or is there a certain window?
Typically, Tuesday after the event. There's some leeway so they can verify they have/can raise the funding.

Akash Rastogi 05-04-2009 00:19
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Hehe, i just killed myself looking at Curie after updating. Btw 67 needs its own color code!:yikes:

waialua359 05-04-2009 06:47
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?

Archimedes looks pretty good. ;)

jmanela 05-04-2009 07:26
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 844445)
No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.
I can confirm that because that is how it was a the Michigan State Championship yesterday.

EricH 05-04-2009 14:50
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 846011)
Wow, look at Curie so far. Would hate to be in that division. When was the last time, Curie was stacked compared to the others?
2007. That year, there were a lot of good robots and a "lenient" ref when it came to defense, with the expected results.

flyingcrayons 05-04-2009 15:23
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Sounds like Galileo last year. 1089 was in that division, and let me tell you, it was STACKED... take a look at the team list for the division if you dont remember how ultimate it was...

http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv.../2008gal/teams

swamp_child 05-04-2009 18:35
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
According to these predictions Galileo is going to be a beast, 254, 1114, 217, 111, 148 , 179(hehe) its going to be fun!

flyingcrayons 05-04-2009 19:09
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by swamp_child (Post 846252)
According to these predictions Galileo is going to be a beast, 254, 1114, 217, 111, 148 , 179(hehe) its going to be fun!
nah, those are the divisions from last yr... so last year was beast... i hope we dont have to face powerhouse teams like that so many times... this year

swamp_child 05-04-2009 20:15
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
no, those were not the divisions from last year, that is the predicted for this year. However i did make a mistake, 1114 is not in Galileo

Travis Hoffman 05-04-2009 20:29
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Just for fun, I did an AAAA, CCCC, GGGG, NNNN, etc. sort on the current team list. Doesn't seem like too bad of a distribution of talent:

Code:
A    C    G    N
 
1    25  45  56
11  27  47  60
16  33  48  61
20  39  49  67
70  85  102  118
71  86  107  120
75  88  111  121
79  93  115  122
125  138  155  176
126  141  159  177
131  148  168  179
135  151  175  180
188  203  228  234
190  207  230  236
191  217  231  254
195  222  233  263
271  292  337  343
279  303  339  346
281  314  340  353
287  329  341  358
359  368  399  440
360  375  418  461
364  386  433  469
365  395  435  488
492  533  558  597
494  538  573  604
499  548  578  612
529  555  585  620
624  704  744  811
665  708  753  815
668  714  766  816
692  716  768  830
832  857  894  932
842  862  922  967
846  868  930  971
852  870  931  973
980  1013 1038 1098
987  1014 1058 1099
999  1023 1086 1108
1002 1024 1089 1114
1124 1195 1261 1288
1138 1208 1266 1289
1155 1209 1270 1302
1165 1218 1287 1305
1311 1334 1421 1458
1318 1341 1425 1477
1323 1350 1429 1502
1332 1390 1450 1503
1506 1519 1540 1557
1507 1527 1547 1561
1511 1535 1551 1566
1516 1538 1555 1569
1577 1622 1649 1676
1592 1625 1657 1700
1598 1629 1662 1706
1601 1646 1675 1710
1712 1730 1742 1747
1714 1731 1743 1771
1717 1732 1745 1772
1726 1739 1746 1796
1806 1834 1885 1927
1807 1836 1893 1983
1811 1868 1902 1987
1829 1872 1923 2004
2039 2173 2220 2340
2056 2185 2230 2344
2067 2194 2234 2348
2070 2214 2283 2354
2377 2520 2587 2635
2415 2543 2590 2638
2443 2550 2609 2642
2486 2579 2621 2655
2659 2753 2791 2826
2702 2775 2809 2836
2729 2779 2813 2844
2741 2783 2815 2848
2866 2884 2936 3010
2874 2890 2992 3020
2875 2910 2996 3059
2877 2915 3009 3062
3075 3091 3105

AcesPease 05-04-2009 20:41
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 846311)
Just for fun, I did an AAAA, CCCC, GGGG, NNNN, etc. sort on the current team list. Doesn't seem like too bad of a distribution of talent:

Code:
A    C    G    N
 
1    25  45  56
11  27  47  60
16  33  48  61
20  39  49  67
70  85  102  118
71  86  107  120
75  88  111  121
79  93  115  122
125  138  155  176
126  141  159  177
131  148  168  179
135  151  175  180
188  203  228  234
190  207  230  236
191  217  231  254
195  222  233  263
271  292  337  343
279  303  339  346
281  314  340  353
287  329  341  358
359  368  399  440
360  375  418  461
364  386  433  469
365  395  435  488
492  533  558  597
494  538  573  604
499  548  578  612
529  555  585  620
624  704  744  811
665  708  753  815
668  714  766  816
692  716  768  830
832  857  894  932
842  862  922  967
846  868  930  971
852  870  931  973
980  1013 1038 1098
987  1014 1058 1099
999  1023 1086 1108
1002 1024 1089 1114
1124 1195 1261 1288
1138 1208 1266 1289
1155 1209 1270 1302
1165 1218 1287 1305
1311 1334 1421 1458
1318 1341 1425 1477
1323 1350 1429 1502
1332 1390 1450 1503
1506 1519 1540 1557
1507 1527 1547 1561
1511 1535 1551 1566
1516 1538 1555 1569
1577 1622 1649 1676
1592 1625 1657 1700
1598 1629 1662 1706
1601 1646 1675 1710
1712 1730 1742 1747
1714 1731 1743 1771
1717 1732 1745 1772
1726 1739 1746 1796
1806 1834 1885 1927
1807 1836 1893 1983
1811 1868 1902 1987
1829 1872 1923 2004
2039 2173 2220 2340
2056 2185 2230 2344
2067 2194 2234 2348
2070 2214 2283 2354
2377 2520 2587 2635
2415 2543 2590 2638
2443 2550 2609 2642
2486 2579 2621 2655
2659 2753 2791 2826
2702 2775 2809 2836
2729 2779 2813 2844
2741 2783 2815 2848
2866 2884 2936 3010
2874 2890 2992 3020
2875 2910 2996 3059
2877 2915 3009 3062
3075 3091 3105
Would be interesting to clump together some of the old corporate teams. Do you think that is even remotely possible this year?

Travis Hoffman 05-04-2009 21:51
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcesPease (Post 846318)
Would be interesting to clump together some of the old corporate teams. Do you think that is even remotely possible this year?
Not knowing anything about FIRST's rationale for divisional sorting, I suppose anything's possible. Consider this my pitch for seeing something like this - I would love seeing the other Delphi 40's in my division.

Including the honorary ghost of Team 46....
http://web.archive.org/web/199805290.../teamlist.html

Alex Cormier 05-04-2009 22:02
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 846346)
Not knowing anything about FIRST's rationale for divisional sorting, I suppose anything's possible. Consider this my pitch for seeing something like this - I would love seeing the other Delphi 40's in my division.

Including the honorary ghost of Team 46....
http://web.archive.org/web/199805290.../teamlist.html
How many teams did you use? That showing is different then what the TBA is showing as the prediction?

Travis Hoffman 05-04-2009 22:14
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 846351)
How many teams did you use? That showing is different then what the TBA is showing as the prediction?
TBA shows 323 teams (which will increase over the next few days, no doubt). That's the list I used......again, for FUN.

engunneer 05-04-2009 22:16
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Any periodic sorting should give a nice stackup of teams in each division. This is due to two factors:
1) there is no correlation between team number (mod 4) and effectiveness.
2) there are a LOT of impressive teams this year

That being said, I hope we end up somewhere other than Newton, but only because it is the furthest field from the pit, and it takes a LONG time to walk all the way around the dome every time.

Jon Jack 05-04-2009 22:47
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 846356)
That being said, I hope we end up somewhere other than Newton, but only because it is the furthest field from the pit, and it takes a LONG time to walk all the way around the dome every time.
Actually it's second closest. Archimedes is furthest followed by Curie, Newton and Galileo

Greg Marra 05-04-2009 22:54
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

BenB 06-04-2009 01:19
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Marra (Post 846372)
I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php
The red outline doesn't standout enough to me, could you highlight them another way. Maybe a blue back ground?

Huskie65 06-04-2009 06:21
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 846355)
TBA shows 323 teams (which will increase over the next few days, no doubt). That's the list I used......again, for FUN.
Ya I know we're going and that will move almost everybody. We qualified at the MI State championship.

EricLeifermann 06-04-2009 07:31
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
its not that big of a change you'll only move every body after you one space, every body after you will still be together in the same divisions as they were before you signed up.

Adam Freeman 06-04-2009 09:22
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Marra (Post 846372)
I've changed the script to color teams who have won three or more events solid red. Team 67 was messing things up.

http://thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php
Sorry! We don't mean to cause problems :D

Tom Bottiglieri 06-04-2009 09:36
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 846475)
Sorry! We don't mean to cause problems :D
If you win Championship, you will also break the signature banner bar.
:P

Greg Marra 06-04-2009 10:28
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri (Post 846482)
If you win Championship, you will also break the signature banner bar.
:P
Fun Historical Fact:
The sig bar used to only display 4 events. It was modified to display 5 after 1114 participated in 3 regionals, a division, and made it to Einstein last year.

EricH 06-04-2009 10:56
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Marra (Post 846498)
Fun Historical Fact:
The sig bar used to only display 4 events. It was modified to display 5 after 1114 participated in 3 regionals, a division, and made it to Einstein last year.
So if they win a Division, they'll break the bar. You might want to look into giving it the option to display 6... And I thought it was 217 breaking the bar.

FIRST: We don't raise the bar, we say "What bar?" as we go through it.:P

The Lucas 06-04-2009 14:43
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
MI rankings are up!

Can anyone add the Auto Qualifiers from MN, MI, and Atlanta nominees 1-15 (65 won and is included as #7, should take 14 total) as from the FiM rankings and make a speculative Division prediction list?

P.S. Sorry to The Suspects (team 440) for a typo in my last post in The waiting list thread listing 410 not 440 as qualifying. Congrats on your EI award and spot at Champs!

The Lucas 07-04-2009 00:54
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 846604)
Can anyone add the Auto Qualifiers from MN, MI, and Atlanta nominees 1-15 (65 won and is included as #7, should take 14 total) as from the FiM rankings and make a speculative Division prediction list?
Ok since no one made this list, I made it myself. I added the 24 Week 6 qualified teams (down to #20 Team 226 on the FiM Rankings). By the way, 440 and 2834 were the 2 teams that added today to get the list up to 325. Here is the list:

Code:
Archi        Curie        Galileo        Newton
1        11        16        20
25        27        33        39
45        47        48        49
56        60        61        65
67        68        70        71
75        79        85        86
88        93        102        107
111        115        118        120
121        122        125        126
131        135        138        141
148        151        155        159
168        175        176        177
179        180        188        190
191        195        201        203
207        217        222        226
228        230        231        233
234        236        245        247
254        263        271        279
280        280        281        287
292        303        314        326
329        337        339        340
341        343        346        353
358        359        360        364
365        368        375        386
395        399        418        433
435        440        461        469
488        492        494        499
503        529        533        538
548        555        558        573
578        585        597        604
612        620        624        665
668        692        704        708
714        716        744        753
766        768        811        815
816        830        832        842
846        852        857        862
868        870        894        904
910        922        930        931
932        967        971        973
980        987        999        1002
1013        1014        1023        1024
1038        1058        1086        1089
1098        1099        1108        1114
1124        1138        1155        1165
1195        1208        1209        1218
1250        1261        1266        1270
1287        1288        1289        1302
1305        1311        1318        1323
1332        1334        1341        1350
1390        1421        1425        1429
1450        1458        1477        1502
1503        1506        1507        1511
1516        1519        1527        1535
1538        1540        1547        1551
1555        1557        1561        1566
1569        1577        1592        1598
1601        1622        1625        1629
1646        1649        1657        1662
1675        1676        1700        1706
1710        1712        1714        1717
1726        1730        1731        1732
1739        1742        1743        1745
1746        1747        1771        1772
1796        1806        1807        1811
1829        1834        1836        1868
1872        1885        1893        1902
1918        1923        1927        1983
1986        1987        2004        2039
2056        2067        2070        2169
2173        2185        2188        2194
2214        2220        2230        2234
2283        2340        2344        2348
2354        2377        2415        2443
2470        2486        2500        2520
2543        2549        2550        2579
2587        2590        2609        2620
2621        2635        2638        2642
2655        2659        2702        2729
2741        2753        2771        2775
2779        2783        2791        2809
2813        2815        2826        2834
2836        2844        2848        2866
2874        2875        2877        2884
2890        2910        2915        2936
2970        2992        2996        3009
3010        3020        3059        3062
3075        3091        3105
The list has 247 teams, which seems like enough teams, but it would make sense to add at least 1 more to even the divisions.

By the way, Archimedes looks stacked (and I'm not just saying that because the whole Philly champ alliance is in that division :D )

Koko Ed 07-04-2009 02:55
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 846887)
Ok since no one made this list, I made it myself. I added the 24 Week 6 qualified teams (down to #20 Team 226 on the FiM Rankings). By the way, 440 and 2834 were the 2 teams that added today to get the list up to 325. Here is the list:

Code:
Archi        Curie        Galileo        Newton
1        11        16        20
25        27        33        39
45        47        48        49
56        60        61        65
67        68        70        71
75        79        85        86
88        93        102        107
111        115        118        120
121        122        125        126
131        135        138        141
148        151        155        159
168        175        176        177
179        180        188        190
191        195        201        203
207        217        222        226
228        230        231        233
234        236        245        247
254        263        271        279
280        280        281        287
292        303        314        326
329        337        339        340
341        343        346        353
358        359        360        364
365        368        375        386
395        399        418        433
435        440        461        469
488        492        494        499
503        529        533        538
548        555        558        573
578        585        597        604
612        620        624        665
668        692        704        708
714        716        744        753
766        768        811        815
816        830        832        842
846        852        857        862
868        870        894        904
910        922        930        931
932        967        971        973
980        987        999        1002
1013        1014        1023        1024
1038        1058        1086        1089
1098        1099        1108        1114
1124        1138        1155        1165
1195        1208        1209        1218
1250        1261        1266        1270
1287        1288        1289        1302
1305        1311        1318        1323
1332        1334        1341        1350
1390        1421        1425        1429
1450        1458        1477        1502
1503        1506        1507        1511
1516        1519        1527        1535
1538        1540        1547        1551
1555        1557        1561        1566
1569        1577        1592        1598
1601        1622        1625        1629
1646        1649        1657        1662
1675        1676        1700        1706
1710        1712        1714        1717
1726        1730        1731        1732
1739        1742        1743        1745
1746        1747        1771        1772
1796        1806        1807        1811
1829        1834        1836        1868
1872        1885        1893        1902
1918        1923        1927        1983
1986        1987        2004        2039
2056        2067        2070        2169
2173        2185        2188        2194
2214        2220        2230        2234
2283        2340        2344        2348
2354        2377        2415        2443
2470        2486        2500        2520
2543        2549        2550        2579
2587        2590        2609        2620
2621        2635        2638        2642
2655        2659        2702        2729
2741        2753        2771        2775
2779        2783        2791        2809
2813        2815        2826        2834
2836        2844        2848        2866
2874        2875        2877        2884
2890        2910        2915        2936
2970        2992        2996        3009
3010        3020        3059        3062
3075        3091        3105
The list has 247 teams, which seems like enough teams, but it would make sense to add at least 1 more to even the divisions.

By the way, Archimedes looks stacked (and I'm not just saying that because the whole Philly champ alliance is in that division :D )
Looking over in Archie seeing the possibility of 67 and 2056 getting together should scare everyone too death.

wo-bot 141 07-04-2009 03:45
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
or worse 2056 67 and 1918 together. that would be trouble.

DBiehl 07-04-2009 05:24
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
45, 67, 111, 234, 254, 2056 just at first glance, wow.

swamp_child 07-04-2009 07:48
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBiehl (Post 846901)
45, 67, 111, 234, 254, 2056 just at first glance, wow.
dont forget 179! this will be a fun division.

dodar 07-04-2009 09:39
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
is anyone else having trouble getting to TBA?

The Lucas 07-04-2009 10:00
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
OK, so somehow I had 280 duplicated :o (must have added over the weekend) here is a new one where 67 and 2056 are not together but Archi is still very good. Tell me if you see any other errors

Code:
Archi        Curie        Galileo        Newton
1        11        16        20
25        27        33        39
45        47        48        49
56        60        61        65
67        68        70        71
75        79        85        86
88        93        102        107
111        115        118        120
121        122        125        126
131        135        138        141
148        151        155        159
168        175        176        177
179        180        188        190
191        195        201        203
207        217        222        226
228        230        231        233
234        236        245        247
254        263        271        279
280        281        287        292
303        314        326        329
337        339        340        341
343        346        353        358
359        360        364        365
368        375        386        395
399        418        433        435
440        461        469        488
492        494        499        503
529        533        538        548
555        558        573        578
585        597        604        612
620        624        665        668
692        704        708        714
716        744        753        766
768        811        815        816
830        832        842        846
852        857        862        868
870        894        904        910
922        930        931        932
967        971        973        980
987        999        1002        1013
1014        1023        1024        1038
1058        1086        1089        1098
1099        1108        1114        1124
1138        1155        1165        1195
1208        1209        1218        1250
1261        1266        1270        1287
1288        1289        1302        1305
1311        1318        1323        1332
1334        1341        1350        1390
1421        1425        1429        1450
1458        1477        1502        1503
1506        1507        1511        1516
1519        1527        1535        1538
1540        1547        1551        1555
1557        1561        1566        1569
1577        1592        1598        1601
1622        1625        1629        1646
1649        1657        1662        1675
1676        1700        1706        1710
1712        1714        1717        1726
1730        1731        1732        1739
1742        1743        1745        1746
1747        1771        1772        1796
1806        1807        1811        1829
1834        1836        1868        1872
1885        1893        1902        1918
1923        1927        1983        1986
1987        2004        2039        2056
2067        2070        2169        2173
2185        2188        2194        2214
2220        2230        2234        2283
2340        2344        2348        2354
2377        2415        2443        2470
2486        2500        2520        2543
2549        2550        2579        2587
2590        2609        2620        2621
2635        2638        2642        2655
2659        2702        2729        2741
2753        2771        2775        2779
2783        2791        2809        2813
2815        2826        2834        2836
2844        2848        2866        2874
2875        2877        2884        2890
2910        2915        2936        2970
2992        2996        3009        3010
3020        3059        3062        3075
3091        3105

DUCKIE 07-04-2009 10:09
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I've got my fingers crossed that the 233 and 365 remain in the same division.

We should sit together during practice rounds and see if the robots really can track our jerseys from the field.

johnr 07-04-2009 10:19
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
910 will not be attending. money:(

dodar 07-04-2009 10:20
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
OMG! If the predictions on TBA come true with the "normal" selection, 67 and 217 could go for another reunion tour :yikes:

BrendanB 07-04-2009 10:21
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
I'm hoping that the Curie division stays the same so that my team, 1519 and my brothers team 1058 can stay be on the same field.

Tom Bottiglieri 07-04-2009 10:22
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Is there a deadline for week 6 winners and MI qualifiers to register for CMP?

dodar 07-04-2009 10:26
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Dont the final divisions come out today?
Or is it next Tuesday?

Jimmy Cao 07-04-2009 10:29
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Historically, they have always come >1 week before the Thursday of Nationals. Thus, they probably are due within the next few days.

This is going to be a lot of fun! Good luck to all teams.

Jared Russell 07-04-2009 10:39
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
As of right now (329 teams), 67 and 217 will be together regardless of algorithm.

dodar 07-04-2009 11:20
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Lets just hope team 100 decides to show up for Atlanta so that 67 and 21 dont end up in the same division lol

why isnt 100 already signed up for atlanta anyways?

MrForbes 07-04-2009 11:22
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Because they didn't win a regional?

Jon Jack 07-04-2009 11:43
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
There are several VERY scary combinations that can come out of Newton according to TBA.

The teams that jump out at me:
39, 67, 111, 179, 148, 217, 368, 399, 973, 1114, 1332, 1538

If everything stays the same, it should make for an interesting finals.

MrForbes 07-04-2009 13:09
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
FIRST says 336 teams are registered, TBA still shows only 329....

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....e nt_type=FRC

http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

Getting close!

Tyler Hicks 07-04-2009 13:10
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Actually, you might be surprised about that. Every alliance has a weakness, you just have to know how to use it to your advantage.

At West Michigan, the top two ranked teams were together and everyone thought they would be unstoppable. But they ended up losing.

Whatever happens, the winners will be the ones who had the best strategy that went according to plan.

Travis Hoffman 07-04-2009 13:44
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 847003)
FIRST says 336 teams are registered, TBA still shows only 329....

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....e nt_type=FRC

http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/divisions.php

Getting close!
I added 65, so 337 teams below, normal sort:

Code:

A    C    G    N
1    11  16  20
25  27  33  39
45  47  48  49
56  60  61  65
67  68  70  71
75  79  85  86
88  93  102  107
111  115  118  120
121  122  125  126
131  135  138  141
148  151  155  159
168  175  176  177
179  180  188  190
191  195  203  207
217  222  228  230
231  233  234  236
245  247  254  263
271  279  280  281
287  292  303  314
329  337  339  340
341  343  346  353
358  359  360  364
365  368  375  386
395  399  418  433
435  440  461  469
488  492  494  499
503  529  533  538
548  555  558  573
578  585  597  604
612  620  624  665
668  692  704  708
714  716  744  753
766  768  811  815
816  830  832  842
846  852  857  862
868  870  894  904
922  930  931  932
967  971  973  980
987  999  1002 1013
1014 1023 1024 1038
1058 1086 1089 1098
1099 1108 1114 1124
1138 1155 1165 1195
1208 1209 1218 1250
1261 1266 1270 1287
1288 1289 1302 1305
1311 1318 1323 1332
1334 1341 1350 1390
1421 1425 1429 1450
1458 1477 1502 1503
1506 1507 1511 1516
1519 1527 1535 1538
1540 1547 1551 1555
1557 1561 1566 1569
1577 1592 1598 1601
1622 1625 1629 1646
1649 1657 1662 1675
1676 1700 1701 1706
1710 1712 1714 1717
1726 1730 1731 1732
1739 1742 1743 1745
1746 1747 1771 1772
1796 1806 1807 1811
1829 1834 1836 1868
1872 1885 1893 1902
1923 1927 1983 1986
1987 2004 2039 2056
2067 2070 2169 2173
2185 2194 2214 2220
2230 2234 2283 2340
2344 2348 2354 2377
2415 2443 2486 2520
2543 2550 2579 2587
2590 2609 2621 2635
2638 2642 2655 2659
2702 2729 2741 2753
2771 2775 2779 2783
2791 2809 2813 2815
2826 2834 2836 2844
2848 2866 2874 2875
2877 2884 2890 2910
2915 2936 2970 2992
2996 3009 3010 3020
3059 3062 3075 3091
3105 

dodar 07-04-2009 14:36
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
so who do you have that TBA hasnt added yet?

prettycolors91 07-04-2009 14:44
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Holy moly. Things are going to be interesting. 67 and 217 are together no matter which algorithm is used *happy dance*. The other divisions look pretty scary as well. I CAN'T WAIT!

The Lucas 07-04-2009 14:58
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnr (Post 846950)
910 will not be attending. money:(
Very sorry to here that:( it was looking like you would be in my division. I put 818 in your place, similar numbers so doesn't change much.

Code:
Archi        Curie        Galileo        Newton
1        11        16        20
25        27        33        39
45        47        48        49
56        60        61        65
67        68        70        71
75        79        85        86
88        93        102        107
111        115        118        120
121        122        125        126
131        135        138        141
148        151        155        159
168        175        176        177
179        180        188        190
191        195        201        203
207        217        222        226
228        230        231        233
234        236        245        247
254        263        271        279
280        281        287        292
303        314        326        329
337        339        340        341
343        346        353        358
359        360        364        365
368        375        386        395
399        418        433        435
440        461        469        488
492        494        499        503
529        533        538        548
555        558        573        578
585        597        604        612
620        624        665        668
692        704        708        714
716        744        753        766
768        811        815        816
818        830        832        842
846        852        857        862
868        870        894        904
922        930        931        932
967        971        973        980
987        999        1002        1013
1014        1023        1024        1038
1058        1086        1089        1098
1099        1108        1114        1124
1138        1155        1165        1195
1208        1209        1218        1250
1261        1266        1270        1287
1288        1289        1302        1305
1311        1318        1323        1332
1334        1341        1350        1390
1421        1425        1429        1450
1458        1477        1502        1503
1506        1507        1511        1516
1519        1527        1535        1538
1540        1547        1551        1555
1557        1561        1566        1569
1577        1592        1598        1601
1622        1625        1629        1646
1649        1657        1662        1675
1676        1700        1706        1710
1712        1714        1717        1726
1730        1731        1732        1739
1742        1743        1745        1746
1747        1771        1772        1796
1806        1807        1811        1829
1834        1836        1868        1872
1885        1893        1902        1918
1923        1927        1983        1986
1987        2004        2039        2056
2067        2070        2169        2173
2185        2188        2194        2214
2220        2230        2234        2283
2340        2344        2348        2354
2377        2415        2443        2470
2486        2500        2520        2543
2549        2550        2579        2587
2590        2609        2620        2621
2635        2638        2642        2655
2659        2702        2729        2741
2753        2771        2775        2779
2783        2791        2809        2813
2815        2826        2834        2836
2844        2848        2866        2874
2875        2877        2884        2890
2910        2915        2936        2970
2992        2996        3009        3010
3020        3059        3062        3075
3091        3105
Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2500, 2549, 2620, or 2771 want to update us on their team plans? If 201 doesnt attend 67 and 217 are likely together. The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.

Akash Rastogi 07-04-2009 15:03
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 847056)
The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.
*Gulp*
:ahh: This is getting scary.

JonellGregor 07-04-2009 15:07
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
744 and 79 possibly together again? Nice!!

AlexD744 07-04-2009 15:16
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonell:) (Post 847059)
744 and 79 possibly together again? Nice!!
That would be nice.:D

Jared Russell 07-04-2009 15:18
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Serpentine Archimedes is currently an absolute powerhouse.

JonellGregor 07-04-2009 15:26
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 847062)
That would be nice.:D
More than just nice! More like Amazing!

prettycolors91 07-04-2009 15:30
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 847064)
Serpentine Archimedes is currently an absolute powerhouse.
It's scaring me a little bit!

AlexD744 07-04-2009 15:35
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prettycolors91 (Post 847071)
It's scaring me a little bit!
You can't be scared you're the HOT team!! Do i need to remind you or your record and statistics for this season?

AlexD744 07-04-2009 15:39
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 847056)
Very sorry to here that:( it was looking like you would be in my division. I put 818 in your place, similar numbers so doesn't change much.

Code:
Archi        Curie        Galileo        Newton
1        11        16        20
25        27        33        39
45        47        48        49
56        60        61        65
67        68        70        71
75        79        85        86
88        93        102        107
111        115        118        120
121        122        125        126
131        135        138        141
148        151        155        159
168        175        176        177
179        180        188        190
191        195        201        203
207        217        222        226
228        230        231        233
234        236        245        247
254        263        271        279
280        281        287        292
303        314        326        329
337        339        340        341
343        346        353        358
359        360        364        365
368        375        386        395
399        418        433        435
440        461        469        488
492        494        499        503
529        533        538        548
555        558        573        578
585        597        604        612
620        624        665        668
692        704        708        714
716        744        753        766
768        811        815        816
818        830        832        842
846        852        857        862
868        870        894        904
922        930        931        932
967        971        973        980
987        999        1002        1013
1014        1023        1024        1038
1058        1086        1089        1098
1099        1108        1114        1124
1138        1155        1165        1195
1208        1209        1218        1250
1261        1266        1270        1287
1288        1289        1302        1305
1311        1318        1323        1332
1334        1341        1350        1390
1421        1425        1429        1450
1458        1477        1502        1503
1506        1507        1511        1516
1519        1527        1535        1538
1540        1547        1551        1555
1557        1561        1566        1569
1577        1592        1598        1601
1622        1625        1629        1646
1649        1657        1662        1675
1676        1700        1706        1710
1712        1714        1717        1726
1730        1731        1732        1739
1742        1743        1745        1746
1747        1771        1772        1796
1806        1807        1811        1829
1834        1836        1868        1872
1885        1893        1902        1918
1923        1927        1983        1986
1987        2004        2039        2056
2067        2070        2169        2173
2185        2188        2194        2214
2220        2230        2234        2283
2340        2344        2348        2354
2377        2415        2443        2470
2486        2500        2520        2543
2549        2550        2579        2587
2590        2609        2620        2621
2635        2638        2642        2655
2659        2702        2729        2741
2753        2771        2775        2779
2783        2791        2809        2813
2815        2826        2834        2836
2844        2848        2866        2874
2875        2877        2884        2890
2910        2915        2936        2970
2992        2996        3009        3010
3020        3059        3062        3075
3091        3105
Anyone from 65, 201, 326, 818, 1918, 2188, 2470, 2500, 2549, 2620, or 2771 want to update us on their team plans? If 201 doesnt attend 67 and 217 are likely together. The next team "on deck" in the FiM rankings is 66 and that could really break up the murderer's row that begins Archi, sending half of them to Curie.
Can I inquire as to haw many teams you have listed here?

prettycolors91 07-04-2009 15:40
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 847073)
You can't be scared you're the HOT team!! Do i need to remind you or your record and statistics for this season?
Haha...Atlanta is going to be anybody's game. There are so many talented and diverse teams that are going to be attending, it awes me every time I go. I can't wait to see what everybody is going to bring to the table. HOT isn't silly enough to think that we're unstoppable....or are we? :P

The Lucas 07-04-2009 15:47
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 847075)
Can I inquire as to haw many teams you have listed here?
346 teams, the number of teams already registered or qualified in Week 6. I think it make sense to atleast even out the division with 2 teams from the wait list (although they probably will be tacked on after divisions are released) The teams I listed in the bold sentence asking about their status are qualified, but unconfirmed. 818 should be a replacement for 910 as next on the list, unless I'm misunderstanding FiM rules. 226 just registered and they were directly ahead of 818 on the list.

waialua359 07-04-2009 15:55
Re: Question: Championship Divisions
 
Patience is a virtue...........................we shall find out soon enough. :)

My only hope is to finally be in the same division as 368 as we have never been all these years. So far, so good. Would be nice to have 25 also (which it was), but it looks like we all moved when 65 entered.


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