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SpaceOsc 04-04-2009 18:22
The Waiting List 2009
 
Team 702 ran into some money last minute this year specifically geared to pay for Atlanta this year. Once that happen we got on the waiting list to get to Championship which was a big thrill for us since we havent been to Championship since 2002 . ive been carefully monitoring the the Championship registration list over the last few weeks to find that only 2 teams were added that had not won awards to get into championship 09. 538 which hasnt been to Championship since 2006 and 980 who went to Championship in 2008. now observing that FIRST requires there to be 18 slots for Michigan teams it seems to hurt our chances and the chances or any other teams on the Waiting list.

With that said what are the expereinces of others who have been or are currently on the waiting list for Atlanta?

are there any teams that are currently registered but ultimately wont go?

Plane Tickets are sure getting expensive as the day approaches!

-Osc

Vikesrock 04-04-2009 19:30
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Northstar's six qualifiers:

79 - Winner - Was already registered
2970 - Winner - Not yet registered
2549 - Winner - Not yet registered
2220 - EI- Was already registered
2169 - Chairman's - Not yet registered
2970 - Rookie All-Star - Already qualified by winning

So it looks at most 3 teams will be added from Northstar.

SpaceOsc 04-04-2009 19:38
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
if every team that can register this weekend does, there will be 346 teams.

2008: 345
2007: 343
2006: 343

jblay 04-04-2009 20:21
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
im sure there will be a bunch of teams who qualified and don't have the money to go and a bunch who choose not to. still though the chances are low regardless because of how many teams sign up for the wait list especially since it appears that you signed up pretty late which would not put you at the top of the wait list.

David Brinza 04-04-2009 21:55
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 845835)
Team 702 ran into some money last minute this year specifically geared to pay for Atlanta this year. Once that happen we got on the waiting list to get to Championship which was a big thrill for us since we havent been to Championship since 2002 . ive been carefully monitoring the the Championship registration list over the last few weeks to find that only 2 teams were added that had not won awards to get into championship 09. 538 which hasnt been to Championship since 2006 and 980 who went to Championship in 2008. now observing that FIRST requires there to be 18 slots for Michigan teams it seems to hurt our chances and the chances or any other teams on the Waiting list.

With that said what are the expereinces of others who have been or are currently on the waiting list for Atlanta?

are there any teams that are currently registered but ultimately wont go?

Plane Tickets are sure getting expensive as the day approaches!

-Osc
Team 980 got on the waiting list just after the window closed for veterans (who played in 2008) to register. We, too received financial support late in the season (week 5). However, we decided early that it would be better to have the right of refusal, should we come off of the list. BTW, last year we came off the list during the Los Angeles Regional, we accepted, but ended up on the winning alliance (thanks to 330 & 1717!)

The CMP invitation e-mail from FIRST came last Thurs. afternoon. Fortunately, our crate had not yet shipped to LA from Las Vegas, so Shepard was able to redirect the crate to Atlanta. We accepted the spot, then scrambled to get plane tix and hotel rooms.

Team 980 will need to ship some items to Atlanta we would otherwise have put in the crate if we knew we were going to Championship (another lesson learned!). I don't know if the hotels will accept >100 lb packages!? Maybe we can get some help from a local team??

Ian Curtis 04-04-2009 23:19
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 845917)
Team 980 got on the waiting list just after the window closed for veterans (who played in 2008) to register. We, too received financial support late in the season (week 5). However, we decided early that it would be better to have the right of refusal, should we come off of the list. BTW, last year we came off the list during the Los Angeles Regional, we accepted, but ended up on the winning alliance (thanks to 330 & 1717!)

The CMP invitation e-mail from FIRST came last Thurs. afternoon. Fortunately, our crate had not yet shipped to LA from Las Vegas, so Shepard was able to redirect the crate to Atlanta. We accepted the spot, then scrambled to get plane tix and hotel rooms.

Team 980 will need to ship some items to Atlanta we would otherwise have put in the crate if we knew we were going to Championship (another lesson learned!). I don't know if the hotels will accept >100 lb packages!? Maybe we can get some help from a local team??
Perhaps not 100 lbs, but we shipped a box full of batteries (close to 10) to our hotel in Atlanta in 2006. Other than the very strange looks we got (but they did make us go out back and carry them out ourselves) it was fine.

kazzykaty 05-04-2009 00:54
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Team 223 is currently wait listed. We made alot of changes to our team, and although a veteran team, Lakeland Regional High school took over the team from Middlesex County VoTech this year. Because we were starting fresh and were just learning, we did not expect to do well in the Regionals, or that we'd have the money, therefore not planning on attending Atlanta. But now our chances aren't looking too good considering certain factors:
-There are plenty teams before us on the list.
-Team 223 went to Atlanta last year.
-There are already many many New Jersey teams attending and FIRST likes to have people from all over the place
-It seems there are quite a few winning teams from this weekend that weren't already registered for Atlanta.

Finding flights this last minute is going to be a disaster but hopefully it all works out well.

EricH 05-04-2009 01:50
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kazzykaty (Post 845985)
-There are plenty teams before us on the list.
-Team 223 went to Atlanta last year.
-There are already many many New Jersey teams attending and FIRST likes to have people from all over the place
-It seems there are quite a few winning teams from this weekend that weren't already registered for Atlanta.
The second and third factors won't be an issue. After open registration is full (which, I remind you, is ordered by when teams attend Atlanta), any team can go on the waitlist, and it's the order. As for the third point, location doesn't matter, period.

The first and fourth points are the primary ones right now.

The Lucas 05-04-2009 01:51
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 845870)
Northstar's six qualifiers:

79 - Winner - Was already registered
2970 - Winner - Not yet registered
2549 - Winner - Not yet registered
2220 - EI- Was already registered
2169 - Chairman's - Not yet registered
2970 - Rookie All-Star - Already qualified by winning

So it looks at most 3 teams will be added from Northstar.
Looks like the same amount, 3, at most will be added from 10k Lakes

2826 - Winner - Was already registered
1714 - Winner - Was already registered
2470 - Winner - Not yet registered
2500 - EI- Not yet registered
1986 - Chairman's - Not yet registered
2826 - Rookie All-Star - Already qualified by winning, funny that happened at both MN events :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 845873)
if every team that can register this weekend does, there will be 346 teams.

2008: 345
2007: 343
2006: 343
I think it was
2008: 340 teams
2007: 344
2006: 344

I count 347 if everyone qualified from MN registers
323 (now) + 18 (MI) + 3 (NS) + 3 (10K) = 347 teams

If we have 347, then 3 divisions would have to have 87 teams and 102 matches. If both MN teams added 6 teams then we would have had 353 teams, one division would have to have 89 teams and 104 matches.

If we have the pit space (no car show) then we might as well have 360 teams, every division have 90 teams and 105 matches. Then there would be no surrogate matches. If we have the space and teams on the wait list, then why do we let in an odd number and play surrogate (wasted) matches. On the other hand, the last thing we need is another reasons to fall behind schedule, be cutoff by NASA TV and miss half the wrap party again.

Side note: anyone know where the updated Michigan ranking are? They should be pulling 14 teams off the list considering only 4 of the 9 qualify spots were not already registered (65, 410, 2771, 2834)

SpaceOsc 05-04-2009 02:32
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
after calling first a week ago i was inform that the waiting list is not a first come first served list, in fact First chooses teams and several criteria, first being if the team had not gone the previous year.

Akash Rastogi 05-04-2009 03:30
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 846002)
after calling first a week ago i was inform that the waiting list is not a first come first served list, in fact First chooses teams and several criteria, first being if the team had not gone the previous year.
We went in 06 and were allowed to preregister in 07 but didn't go. Then we preregistered in 08 but then qualified by winning and went, and then this year we were once again allowed to preregister. Is this odd?

EricH 05-04-2009 04:24
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 846008)
We went in 06 and were allowed to preregister in 07 but didn't go. Then we preregistered in 08 but then qualified by winning and went, and then this year we were once again allowed to preregister. Is this odd?
No. It's the order in which pre-registration opens--if you didn't go last year, or pre-qualified, you got first shot. If you didn't go last year, you got a later pre-registration time that you could use. Assuming, of course, that the first registration time don't fill the open slots.

I think that how far down the waitlist they go is determined by how many teams qualify and already have a slot, or choose not to attend, or double-qualify. (It is possible to qualify for multiple spots by winning a regional and winning another award that qualifies you, or winning multiple regionals.)

thefro526 05-04-2009 12:07
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
I know the waiting list is a very picky thing. We went on early registration in 2006 and 2008 and then we went in 2007 due to our participation in the Fuel Cell Program. This year we were on the waiting list until mid-January but we got in because one of our mentors is quite persuasive on the phone.

I'd say if you know you're on the waiting list and you don't get any updates to call FIRST and see if they know where your position is.

chinckley 05-04-2009 19:47
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
We went last year because we had never been. We thought we could not go this year unless we won something because we went last year, so we did not sign up. It seems a little hard to understand how it is decided who goes and who does not, unless you win something.

David Brinza 05-04-2009 21:21
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinckley (Post 846283)
We went last year because we had never been. We thought we could not go this year unless we won something because we went last year, so we did not sign up. It seems a little hard to understand how it is decided who goes and who does not, unless you win something.
The criteria for going to Championship are provided here.

How FIRST decides the order in which teams registering under "open enrollment" are pulled from the waiting list for teams isn't described there. I would guess the earlier a team gets on the waiting list, the more likely they will be offered a spot.

ehochstein 05-04-2009 22:11
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 845997)
Looks like the same amount, 3, at most will be added from 10k Lakes

2826 - Winner - Was already registered
1714 - Winner - Was already registered
2470 - Winner - Not yet registered
2500 - EI- Not yet registered
1986 - Chairman's - Not yet registered
2826 - Rookie All-Star - Already qualified by winning, funny that happened at both MN events :D



I think it was
2008: 340 teams
2007: 344
2006: 344

I count 347 if everyone qualified from MN registers
323 (now) + 18 (MI) + 3 (NS) + 3 (10K) = 347 teams

If we have 347, then 3 divisions would have to have 87 teams and 102 matches. If both MN teams added 6 teams then we would have had 353 teams, one division would have to have 89 teams and 104 matches.

If we have the pit space (no car show) then we might as well have 360 teams, every division have 90 teams and 105 matches. Then there would be no surrogate matches. If we have the space and teams on the wait list, then why do we let in an odd number and play surrogate (wasted) matches. On the other hand, the last thing we need is another reasons to fall behind schedule, be cutoff by NASA TV and miss half the wrap party again.

Side note: anyone know where the updated Michigan ranking are? They should be pulling 14 teams off the list considering only 4 of the 9 qualify spots were not already registered (65, 410, 2771, 2834)

2470 will be going and registering

Billfred 05-04-2009 22:38
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Qualifiers from Palmetto:

Champion: 1771, currently registered
Champion: 2415, currently registered
Champion: 21, not registered.
Chairman's: 1676, currently registered
EI: 281, currently registered.
RAS: 2815, currently registered.

I'm not sure who had registered prior to Palmetto--I know for a fact that 2815 had not (we couldn't quite seal the deal at Bayou)--but the others remain known unknowns.

Either way, it looks like 21's absence means that at least one slot will be opening up from Palmetto.

jmanela 06-04-2009 08:08
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 845997)
Looks like the same amount, 3, at most will be added from 10k Lakes

2826 - Winner - Was already registered
1714 - Winner - Was already registered
2470 - Winner - Not yet registered
2500 - EI- Not yet registered
1986 - Chairman's - Not yet registered
2826 - Rookie All-Star - Already qualified by winning, funny that happened at both MN events :D



I think it was
2008: 340 teams
2007: 344
2006: 344

I count 347 if everyone qualified from MN registers
323 (now) + 18 (MI) + 3 (NS) + 3 (10K) = 347 teams

If we have 347, then 3 divisions would have to have 87 teams and 102 matches. If both MN teams added 6 teams then we would have had 353 teams, one division would have to have 89 teams and 104 matches.

If we have the pit space (no car show) then we might as well have 360 teams, every division have 90 teams and 105 matches. Then there would be no surrogate matches. If we have the space and teams on the wait list, then why do we let in an odd number and play surrogate (wasted) matches. On the other hand, the last thing we need is another reasons to fall behind schedule, be cutoff by NASA TV and miss half the wrap party again.

Side note: anyone know where the updated Michigan ranking are? They should be pulling 14 teams off the list considering only 4 of the 9 qualify spots were not already registered (65, 410, 2771, 2834)
where did you get the information above? I am just curious to know what place my team is in even though we qualified.

Btower 06-04-2009 21:00
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanela (Post 846451)
where did you get the information above? I am just curious to know what place my team is in even though we qualified.

FIRSTinMIOverall Rankings

wilsonmw04 08-04-2009 11:19
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Does FIRST send out an email saying that Champs is full? I haven't received an email saying "yes" or "no." Does anyone know what they have done in the past to let folks know for sure?

SpaceOsc 08-04-2009 11:21
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Today at 347 teams, team 40 was added, they didnt win any awards or take any reserve slots and went to ATL last year.

Rick 08-04-2009 11:24
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 847406)
Today at 347 teams, team 40 was added, they didnt win any awards or take any reserve slots and went to ATL last year.
I heard they went onto the wait list after Chesapeake.

wilsonmw04 08-04-2009 11:51
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
I just got this:
Quote:
Greetings Championship Wait List Teams:

We have heard from all of our teams that qualified last weekend, and due to the overwhelming number of acceptances we are writing to let you know we will not be able to offer your team a spot at 2009 Championship event. We thank you for your interest, and very much look forward to having your team back with us next year.

Don't forget, you can watch the event starting April 17th via NASA web at http://robotics.nasa.gov/events/2009_frcwebcasts.php or NASA Digital TV at http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/digital.html

Thank you all for helping us make the 2009 season such a terrific success!

Go Teams!
looks like there were 45 emails on the list that was sent out.
Best of luck to those who made it in this year!

AlexD744 08-04-2009 12:12
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Could any waitlist teams who recieved an acceptance, share with me when they are required to register by? The wait for divisions is killing me and I want to know when FIRST will have a final number. Also, does anyone know whathappens if lets say half of the accepted waitlist says no? Do they just leave it or do they accept more waitlists?

EricLeifermann 08-04-2009 12:19
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 847431)
Could any waitlist teams who recieved an acceptance, share with me when they are required to register by? The wait for divisions is killing me and I want to know when FIRST will have a final number. Also, does anyone know whathappens if lets say half of the accepted waitlist says no? Do they just leave it or do they accept more waitlists?
I have heard that Atlanta is now capped at 348 teams. That puts 87 teams in each division. I could be wrong but i don't see them adding 4 more teams.

AlexD744 08-04-2009 12:25
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 847436)
I have heard that Atlanta is now capped at 348 teams. That puts 87 teams in each division. I could be wrong but i don't see them adding 4 more teams.
If that's the cap, shouldn't divisions be announced sometime today, hopefully before three?

martin417 08-04-2009 12:43
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Divisions are posted!!!!

kazzykaty 08-04-2009 13:35
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
You think there is any chance of teams still getting in??

Zflash 08-04-2009 13:41
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 847406)
Today at 347 teams, team 40 was added, they didnt win any awards or take any reserve slots and went to ATL last year.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta121 (Post 847409)
I heard they went onto the wait list after Chesapeake.
They must have more pull then 1319 because we put ourselves on the waitlist before regionals even started, that's how fast the championships filled up this year. As far as anyone else getting in at this point I don't see it happening. I know that 342 shipped thier robot there just in case however they are not on the list. We will see. This waitlist thing is rather confusing isn't it.

Rick 08-04-2009 13:46
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zflash (Post 847526)
They must have more pull then 1319 because we put ourselves on the waitlist before regionals even started, that's how fast the championships filled up this year. As far as anyone else getting in at this point I don't see it happening. I know that 342 shipped thier robot there just in case however they are not on the list. We will see. This waitlist thing is rather confusing isn't it.
With 40, that was what I heard. Not confirmed though.

ShortBang 08-04-2009 13:50
Re: The Waiting List 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceOsc (Post 847406)
Today at 347 teams, team 40 was added, they didnt win any awards or take any reserve slots and went to ATL last year.
40 won the Driving Technology Award. While not a qualifying award, they had the best and most accurate autonomous out of any robot I saw. I am glad they have to opportunity to compete in Atlanta.


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