Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

-----------------------ROUND1----ROUND2-----ROUND3-----ROUND4
Vikesrock....................217............3:27. ..........3:30.............4:47
Barry Bonzack..............1625..........3:24.......... ..3:32.............4:46
JackN........................1114...........3:21. ...........3:34............4:45
Greg Peshek.................2056.........3:18......... ...3:36.............4:44
Oris...........................67.........3:15. ...........3:38..............4:43
rtfgnow.......................12:25........3:12... .........3:40..............4:42
EricH..........................12:30.........3:09. ............3:42............4:41
hill.............................12:35.........3:0 6............3:44.............4:40
Sunbun.......................12:40..........3:03.. .........3:46...............4:39
Tottanka.....................12:45..........2:58.. ..........3:48..............4:38
Kristian Calhoun............ 12:50.........2:55............3:50..............4: 37
Alex Cormier................ 12:55...........2:52...........3:52.............4: 36
Pat McCarthy............... 1................2:49............3:54............4 :35
Indysam ..................... 1:05............2:46............3:56............4: 34
Liz Smith..................... 1:10...........2:43............3:58............4:3 3
Jherbie53.................... 1:15............2:40...........4................4: 32
JesseK........................1:20...........2:37. ...........4:02............4:31
rocketperson44............ 1:25...........2:34............4:04............4:3 0
Koko Ed......................1:30..........2:31........ ...4:06..............4:29
Michelle Celio............... 1:35...........2:28............4:08.............4: 28
NickE..........................1:40............2:2 5...........4:10...............4:27
340x4xLife................... 1:45...........2:22............4:12.............4: 26
Arefin Bari ................... 1:50..........2:19............4:14.............4:2 5
SamSofa330................ 1:55...........2:16............4:16.............4: 24
Elgin Clock................... 2..............2:13..............4:18...........4: 23
Nawaid Ladak............... 2:05..........2:10.............4:20...........4:22

TEAMS: 1 11 16 20 25 27 33 39 40 45 47 48 49 56 60 61 65 68 70 71 75 79 85 86 88 93 102 107 111 115 118 120 121 122 125 126 131 135 138 141 148 151 155 159 168 175 176 177 179 180 188 190 191 195 201 203 207 222 226 228 230 231 233 234 236 245 247 254 263 271 279 280 281 287 292 303 314 329 337 339 340 341 343 346 353 358 359 360 364 365 368 375 386 395 399 418 433 435 440 461 469 488 492 494 499 503 529 533 538 548 555 558 573 578 585 597 604 612 620 624 665 668 687 692 704 708 714 716 744 753 766 768 811 815 816 830 832 842 846 852 857 862 868 870 894 904 922 930 931 932 967 971 973 980 987 : 999 1002 1013 1014 1023 1024 1038 1058 1086 1089 1098 1099 1108 1124 1138 1155 1165 1195 1208 1209 1218 1250 1261 1266 1270 1287 1288 1289 1302 1305 1311 1318 1323 1332 1334 1341 1350 1390 1421 1425 1429 1450 1458 1477 1502 1503 : 1506 1507 1511 1516 1519 1527 1535 1538 1540 1547 1551 1555 1557 1561 1566 1569 1577 1592 1598 1601 1622 1629 1646 1649 1657 1662 1675 1676 1700 1701 1706 1710 1712 1714 1717 1726 1730 1731 1732 1739 1742 1743 1745 1746 1747 1771 1772 1796 1806 1807 1811 1829 1834 1836 1868 1872 1885 1893 1902 1918 1923 1927 1941 1983 1986 1987 2004 2039 2067 2070 2075 2169 2173 2185 2194 2214 2220 2230 2234 2283 2340 2344 2348 2354 2377 2415 2443 2470 2486 2500 2520 2543 2549 2550 2579 2587 2590 2609 2621 2635 2638 2642 : 2655 2659 2702 2729 2741 2753 2767 2771 2775 2779 2783 2791 2809 2813 2815 2826 2834 2836 2844 2848 2866 2874 2875 2877 2884 2890 2910 2915 2936 2970 2992 2996 3009 3010 3020 3059 3062 3075 3091 3105 3115

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

-----------------------ROUND1----ROUND2-----ROUND3-----ROUND4
Vikesrock....................217............3:27. ..........3:30.............4:47
Barry Bonzack..............1625..........3:24.......... ..3:32.............4:46
JackN........................1114...........3:21. ...........3:34............4:45
Greg Peshek.................2056.........3:18......... ...3:36.............4:44
Oris...........................67.........3:15. ...........3:38..............4:43
rtfgnow.......................79........3:12... .........3:40..............4:42
EricH..........................12:30.........3:09. ............3:42............4:41
hill.............................12:35.........3:0 6............3:44.............4:40
Sunbun.......................12:40..........3:03.. .........3:46...............4:39
Tottanka.....................12:45..........2:58.. ..........3:48..............4:38
Kristian Calhoun............ 12:50.........2:55............3:50..............4: 37
Alex Cormier................ 12:55...........2:52...........3:52.............4: 36
Pat McCarthy............... 1................2:49............3:54............4 :35
Indysam ..................... 1:05............2:46............3:56............4: 34
Liz Smith..................... 1:10...........2:43............3:58............4:3 3
Jherbie53.................... 1:15............2:40...........4................4: 32
JesseK........................1:20...........2:37. ...........4:02............4:31
rocketperson44............ 1:25...........2:34............4:04............4:3 0
Koko Ed......................1:30..........2:31........ ...4:06..............4:29
Michelle Celio............... 1:35...........2:28............4:08.............4: 28
NickE..........................1:40............2:2 5...........4:10...............4:27
340x4xLife................... 1:45...........2:22............4:12.............4: 26
Arefin Bari ................... 1:50..........2:19............4:14.............4:2 5
SamSofa330................ 1:55...........2:16............4:16.............4: 24
Elgin Clock................... 2..............2:13..............4:18...........4: 23
Nawaid Ladak............... 2:05..........2:10.............4:20...........4:22

TEAMS: 1 11 16 20 25 27 33 39 40 45 47 48 49 56 60 61 65 68 70 71 75 85 86 88 93 102 107 111 115 118 120 121 122 125 126 131 135 138 141 148 151 155 159 168 175 176 177 179 180 188 190 191 195 201 203 207 222 226 228 230 231 233 234 236 245 247 254 263 271 279 280 281 287 292 303 314 329 337 339 340 341 343 346 353 358 359 360 364 365 368 375 386 395 399 418 433 435 440 461 469 488 492 494 499 503 529 533 538 548 555 558 573 578 585 597 604 612 620 624 665 668 687 692 704 708 714 716 744 753 766 768 811 815 816 830 832 842 846 852 857 862 868 870 894 904 922 930 931 932 967 971 973 980 987 : 999 1002 1013 1014 1023 1024 1038 1058 1086 1089 1098 1099 1108 1124 1138 1155 1165 1195 1208 1209 1218 1250 1261 1266 1270 1287 1288 1289 1302 1305 1311 1318 1323 1332 1334 1341 1350 1390 1421 1425 1429 1450 1458 1477 1502 1503 : 1506 1507 1511 1516 1519 1527 1535 1538 1540 1547 1551 1555 1557 1561 1566 1569 1577 1592 1598 1601 1622 1629 1646 1649 1657 1662 1675 1676 1700 1701 1706 1710 1712 1714 1717 1726 1730 1731 1732 1739 1742 1743 1745 1746 1747 1771 1772 1796 1806 1807 1811 1829 1834 1836 1868 1872 1885 1893 1902 1918 1923 1927 1941 1983 1986 1987 2004 2039 2067 2070 2075 2169 2173 2185 2194 2214 2220 2230 2234 2283 2340 2344 2348 2354 2377 2415 2443 2470 2486 2500 2520 2543 2549 2550 2579 2587 2590 2609 2621 2635 2638 2642 : 2655 2659 2702 2729 2741 2753 2767 2771 2775 2779 2783 2791 2809 2813 2815 2826 2834 2836 2844 2848 2866 2874 2875 2877 2884 2890 2910 2915 2936 2970 2992 2996 3009 3010 3020 3059 3062 3075 3091 3105 3115

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

But what are the chances of 1114 and 2056 will get split up? Given the lack of depth in Archimedes (my team is in Archimedes, so I'm not saying anything particularly negative here), I'm willing to bet that they both seed in the top 8. In that case, no matter what their seeds are inside the top 8, they'll pretty much be together.

Although it seems everyone is looking for strategies to beat 1114 and 2056, so I guess it's possible for them to seed out of the top 8. I'm expecting you see a bit of Stephen Curry/ Loyola play in Archimedes. (For those that don't know, Stephen Curry is a prolific basketball player for Davidson and Gonzaga put three of their five guys on defending him - they shut him out but lost the game by 30 points)

All in good time I guess.

EDIT: Sorry for taking so long to get my first pick in and delaying getting the first round started, it was a combination of a lot of stuff to do with not knowing exactly who to pick.

EDIT 2: Thanks to Jack for reminding me that it was Loyola, not Gonzaga... I couldn't quite remember and I just took an educated guess.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

One of them will need to seed first to pick the other or else they will be split up. And as an observation over years past, I find it rare that the bot that is truly the best, seeds first. Other teams will get easy schedules and will sometimes sneak up to that number 1 seed position. When they do this, they have the power to really level the playing field if some of the top bots are in the top 8. I love watching the alliance selection process and I really miss being a part of it as I used to be a scout.

I'm going to predict that 1114 and 2056 do not end up together because another team will manage to grab the first seed.

And Ed, I should be able to make my pick tonight if Eric takes his pick sometime soon. I may just do something different than what my list has to say :)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Okay. I still believe 1625 is the best robot on Galileo, but I am going to trade out for a team I feel has a much high chance at the Chairman. Lets hope I don't regret this.


-----------------------ROUND1----ROUND2-----ROUND3-----ROUND4
Vikesrock....................217............3:27. ..........3:30.............4:47
Barry Bonzack..............234..........3:24.......... ..3:32.............4:46
JackN........................1114...........3:21. ...........3:34............4:45
Greg Peshek.................2056.........3:18......... ...3:36.............4:44
Oris...........................67.........3:15. ...........3:38..............4:43
rtfgnow.......................79........3:12... .........3:40..............4:42
EricH..........................12:30.........3:09. ............3:42............4:41
hill.............................12:35.........3:0 6............3:44.............4:40
Sunbun.......................12:40..........3:03.. .........3:46...............4:39
Tottanka.....................12:45..........2:58.. ..........3:48..............4:38
Kristian Calhoun............ 12:50.........2:55............3:50..............4: 37
Alex Cormier................ 12:55...........2:52...........3:52.............4: 36
Pat McCarthy............... 1................2:49............3:54............4 :35
Indysam ..................... 1:05............2:46............3:56............4: 34
Liz Smith..................... 1:10...........2:43............3:58............4:3 3
Jherbie53.................... 1:15............2:40...........4................4: 32
JesseK........................1:20...........2:37. ...........4:02............4:31
rocketperson44............ 1:25...........2:34............4:04............4:3 0
Koko Ed......................1:30..........2:31........ ...4:06..............4:29
Michelle Celio............... 1:35...........2:28............4:08.............4: 28
NickE..........................1:40............2:2 5...........4:10...............4:27
340x4xLife................... 1:45...........2:22............4:12.............4: 26
Arefin Bari ................... 1:50..........2:19............4:14.............4:2 5
SamSofa330................ 1:55...........2:16............4:16.............4: 24
Elgin Clock................... 2..............2:13..............4:18...........4: 23
Nawaid Ladak............... 2:05..........2:10.............4:20...........4:22

TEAMS: 1 11 16 20 25 27 33 39 40 45 47 48 49 56 60 61 65 68 70 71 75 85 86 88 93 102 107 111 115 118 120 121 122 125 126 131 135 138 141 148 151 155 159 168 175 176 177 179 180 188 190 191 195 201 203 207 222 226 228 230 231 233 236 245 247 254 263 271 279 280 281 287 292 303 314 329 337 339 340 341 343 346 353 358 359 360 364 365 368 375 386 395 399 418 433 435 440 461 469 488 492 494 499 503 529 533 538 548 555 558 573 578 585 597 604 612 620 624 665 668 687 692 704 708 714 716 744 753 766 768 811 815 816 830 832 842 846 852 857 862 868 870 894 904 922 930 931 932 967 971 973 980 987 : 999 1002 1013 1014 1023 1024 1038 1058 1086 1089 1098 1099 1108 1124 1138 1155 1165 1195 1208 1209 1218 1250 1261 1266 1270 1287 1288 1289 1302 1305 1311 1318 1323 1332 1334 1341 1350 1390 1421 1425 1429 1450 1458 1477 1502 1503 : 1506 1507 1511 1516 1519 1527 1535 1538 1540 1547 1551 1555 1557 1561 1566 1569 1577 1592 1598 1601 1622 1625 1629 1646 1649 1657 1662 1675 1676 1700 1701 1706 1710 1712 1714 1717 1726 1730 1731 1732 1739 1742 1743 1745 1746 1747 1771 1772 1796 1806 1807 1811 1829 1834 1836 1868 1872 1885 1893 1902 1918 1923 1927 1941 1983 1986 1987 2004 2039 2067 2070 2075 2169 2173 2185 2194 2214 2220 2230 2234 2283 2340 2344 2348 2354 2377 2415 2443 2470 2486 2500 2520 2543 2549 2550 2579 2587 2590 2609 2621 2635 2638 2642 : 2655 2659 2702 2729 2741 2753 2767 2771 2775 2779 2783 2791 2809 2813 2815 2826 2834 2836 2844 2848 2866 2874 2875 2877 2884 2890 2910 2915 2936 2970 2992 2996 3009 3010 3020 3059 3062 3075 3091 3105 3115

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

I narrowed down my pick to 1114 and 234 within 5 minutes of getting a chance to pick 3 days later I made the decision to go with Simbotics. I wish you had picked 234 earlier, so I didn't have to worry about that decision and we could have moved along with picking.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

I was pretty sure one didn't have to seed first. Maybe I just missed some archaic rule. But say some team like 665 (one can dream right :rolleyes: ) is seeded first, 2056 is 4 and 1114 is 7, if 665 picks 2056 can they not deny? Then 665 picks 1114 and they can deny too. Then if the second and third seed picks 2056 they can still deny, until they get to pick 4, in which case 2056 would pick 1114 and 1114 would accept. That was my understanding.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Once you deny you cannot accept

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Pretty sure that only applies to teams outside the top 8. Which is why I said both teams would need to be in the top 8.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

It applies to everybody. Top 8 teams just have the ability to build their own alliances instead. If you deny a higher seed, you cannot go on to accept another invitation.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

If you are a top 8 robot you can do these:
Ask for any robot available.
Can deny a invite from a team.

Can't do these:
Accept a invite if you already have declined an offer
Ask for a team already chosen or not at event. (you may think that's a given, but each regional there is a team asked that is not available or not even at the regional...)

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Well hmph, I've had that wrong the entire time. Thanks for clarifying guys.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Thats funny, I narrowed mine down to about 6 from which I was indifferent. I quickly selected one to see if others would make the draft move faster, and when it came down to really only 2 other robots, I then chose to swap. I would really like to see this thread move along so all of the picking doesn't have to be done tomorrow.

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Just for future reference that rule is stated in the manual as

Re: [FF]: 2009 Championships
 

Also...

If a team declines an invitation and is outside of the top 8. They are not able to be the backup bot after selections are over. This happened in FLR this year.