Curie 2009!
 

So here's the Curie division of 2009! (The page wasn't up yet, sorry)

1 27 49 60 68 70 75 79 131 141 175 188 190 217 236 245 247 254 263 271 287 329 337 341 346 375 395 399 499 538 597 668 766 816

830 894 904 922 930 1013 1024 1089 1099 1108 1165 1287 1288 1305 1323 1425 1429 1502 1519 1527 1566 1577 1622 1675 1731 1747 1771

1796 1806 1893 1927 1983 2039 2173 2185 2194 2443 2500 2520 2590 2621 2635 2767 2791 2809 2815 2834 2877 2884 2992 3010 3105 3115

Looks like fun! See you all there!

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Curieeee is where it's at this year.

Glad to see 816 with us here, I wanted the chance to drive against them... Or with them. ;)

THunder chickens too. I had fun playing against them last year, they gave us "The Team That Fried Us" award because of some major defense in quallifying. Heh.



I can't wait... Time to start scouting. I'll have video of us uploaded later today. Both of our regionals weren't webcast, so we're relatively low on the radar. Not how I want to go into it. Hopefully we'll make a good preshow... Then see you all at the real thing.


Upon further investigation, 254... 1771... 79.... And I'm sure tons of teams slipping my mind. This is going to be a fun division.

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1089 is excited to be in curie! looks like to be an awesome competition!!!

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This should definitely be a fun division to play in. We're looking forward to seeing everyone in Atlanta.

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This looks like its going to be a lot of fun.:D Cant wait!

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1 **
27
49
60
68 +*
70 +
75
79 +*
131
141
175 +*
188 +*
190 +
217 +++
236
245 +*
247 +*
254 +
263
271
287 +
329 *
337
341 +
346 +
375
395 +
399 +
499
538 **
597 *
668 +
766
816
830
894
904 **
922
930
1013 +
1024 +
1089
1099 +
1108
1165 +
1287
1288
1305 *
1323
1425 +
1429
1502
1519
1527
1566
1577
1622 +
1675 +
1731
1747 +
1771 +
1796 +
1806 +
1893 +
1927
1983 +
2039 +*
2173 +
2185 ++
2194 +
2443 +
2500
2520
2590
2621 +
2635 +
2767
2791
2809
2815 +
2834
2877
2884
2992
3010 *
3105
3115

* = Regional/district finalist
+ = Regional/district winner

Total: 40 wins :yikes: , 17 additional finals appearances

EDIT: Sorry, 2815 was a finalist instead. Make that 39 wins and 18 finalist finishes.

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This is going to be a fun division!

*BTW thanks for figuring that out, I was going to do this if someone didn't by the time I got back

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Wow :ahh: This is definitely going to be a competitive division. I like the spread of teams here...let the scouting begin!

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You guys are ranked #3 in the world (by OPR)... Definitely NOT low on the radar

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188, 217, 254, 68, 79, 175, 1771, 1024, 245, 247....

Wow all great teams that I look forward to playing with and against next week. Curie is going to be a blast!

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This is going to be one fun division to play in.

1519 is just about ready

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Looking again at that depth another way...there are going to be at least 13 regional/district winners who won't even make it to the playoffs (37 different champions - 24 playoff teams).

Even with her brand new scoring system upgrade, Miss Daisy is shaking in her boots! :eek:

EDIT: Sorry, 36 unique winners. So 12 teams left out.

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Nice group, looking forward to playing with 1, 254 and 1024. 217 caused me to jump when I saw them.

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Team 79 is so excited!!
It looks like this field will be fun :)

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good luck to team 399 and 341!!!
from 1332!!!

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This division looks really fun, plenty of teams I have and have not seen.

Team 217 is ready to bring the Thunder!!!

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Is there any way to check how many of the 37 different champions were first selections or alliance captains?

Another way to ask - how many of our winners were second picks?

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I will go through and check. At first glance several of the winners were indeed the later picks, but this of course doesn't mean that they didn't contribute to their alliance.

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Check out Team 1114's Scouting Database. It's not updated with divisions yet, but I'm sure it will be soon.

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Oh of course, in this game more than ever, the third robot is extremely important. And if you can survive through the finals, you did something right. It's just interesting to know.

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Skunkworks is looking forward to a great competition in Atlanta!!
Curie is the place to be!! We anticipate making a bunch of new friends from all over FIRST!!!

If anyone is compiling the information regarding the regional winners

We were the #1 pick by the #1 Alliance captain in both Portland and Seattle.
Thanks to 1318 and 2635 we were able to be part of the Oregon winning Alliance.

See you all in about a week!! I can't believe it!!!

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Winner breakdown from the 1114 database:

68 seeded 14th and was the 1st pick.
70 seeded 5th and was the 1st pick
79 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
175 seeded 6th and was the 4th pick
188 seeded 3rd and was the 1st pick
190 seeded 5th and was the 2nd pick
217 seeded 2nd, 1st, and 1st, and was the 1st pick, #1 captain, and #1 captain
245 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
247 seeded 17th and was the 16th pick (second round)
254 seeded 9th and was the 1st pick
287 seeded 5th and was the #4 alliance captain
341 seeded 7th and was the 4th pick
346 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
395 seeded 10th and was the #6 alliance captain
399 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
668 seeded 18th and was the 1st pick
1013 seeded 27th and was the 14th pick (second round)
1024 seeded 33rd and was the 13th pick (second round)
1099 seeded 28th and was the 15th pick (second round)
1165 seeded 21st and was the 16th pick (second round)
1425 seeded 2nd and was the #2 alliance captain
1622 seeded 3rd and was the #3 alliance captain
1675 seeded 27th and was the 14th pick (second round)
1747 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
1771 seeded 3rd and was the #3 alliance captain
1796 seeded 23rd and was the 13th pick (second round)
1806 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
1893 seeded 13th and was the 12th pick (second round)
1983 seeded 19th and was the 1st pick
2039 seeded 1st and was the #1 alliance captain
2173 seeded 28th and was the 16th pick (second round)
2185 seeded 26th and 46th and was the 16th pick and 16th pick (second round x2)
2194 seeded 32nd and was the 16th pick (second round)
2443 seeded 22nd and was the 15th pick (second round)
2621 seeded 19th and was the 13th pick (second round)
2635 seeded 22nd and was the 16th pick (second round)
2815 was a finalist rather than a winner (my mistake!)

So a total of 15 of our 39 wins were as a second round pick (38.5%). Consider that, naturally, 33% of all regional winners are second round picks :) .

Also note that only 395 and 1893 won on anything but one of the top 4 alliances.

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w00000000t! 1 week to lift-off!!

I'm really excited to see the depth of this field, and to see a bunch of old friends.

See y'all at the big show!

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This should be a very competitive field to be on. Glad to see we are with some of the teams I was hoping to be in a Division with because they seem cool and have some skill. :).

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Below are links to TBA profiles of all the teams in Curie. Just in case any scouts are getting a bit antsy. :]
1
27
49
60
68
70
75
79
131
141
175
188
190
217
236
245
247
254
263
271
287
329
337
341
346
375
395
399
499
538
597
668
766
816
830
894
904
922
930
1013
1024
1089
1099
1108
1165
1287
1288
1305
1323
1425
1429
1502
1519
1527
1566
1577
1622
1675
1731
1747
1771
1796
1806
1893
1927
1983
2039
2173
2185
2194
2443
2500
2520
2590
2621
2635
2767
2791
2809
2815
2834
2877
2884
2992
3010
3105
3115

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dang, i was hoping not to end up with 217 or 67. Oh well. Murphy Law never fails.
This will be an interesting division. I'm looking forward to seeing all of you there!

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Thanks a lot! I was bummed out when you guys weren't in our division, but hopefully we'll see eachother later in the competition ;) Good luck to you guys too!

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Well it looks like there is going to be some great competition :D Team 1771 is very excited to compete against all of you!

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looks like curie is going to have some prity awsome robots this year. Team 75 cant wait it should be a blast.

Matthew Simpson

Team 75 Driver

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Dang, from top to bottom, Curie's looking like the most well-rounded division. Sweeeeeet! After an extended hiatus from the Championship stage, Team 188 is thrilled to be back!

Gotta get those vocal cords warmed up. Ahem, MADAM...CURIE...nice...:D

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And I jumped when I saw team 79 in their too haha. This is definitely Curie's year to win it all, even if 1114 and 2056 team up in Archimedes :yikes:

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Who is the usual MC for Curie?

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Sh... I don't know her name. The usual lady MC, Shaniqua maybe? did it last year.

I'm betting they switch Mark Leon to it though, he usually follows 254, and there was some drama with that last year I believe.


Whoever we get should be fun. I personally like Blair. =p

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I am pretty sure she spent most of her time on Archimedes last year. We started out with Troy, but switched to Shaniqua (sp?) early on.

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Wow, this thread totally owns me. I'm away from a computer for a day and there's a thread 3 page thread of awesome when I returned...

I'm so excited to be on Curie. 4 Divisions in 4 years. :D

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I'm pretty sure it's always been Marc Leon.
At least, I can remember him being over there at various points between 2003-2008.

[edit]Also, there's some more neat scouting data (Division strengths) over here, that you folks might want to check out.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...636#post847636

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Looks like the divisions are pretty even in terms of OPR. Einstein is going to be amazing this year!

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I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that Curie has been Jeff Seaton out of NASA Langley. If so Jeff is a great MC. He often hosts Chesapeake.

But they are really all very good at the Championship.

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Out of curiosity, how many teams have been on Curie for more than 1 year? If so, how many years?

I know that this year makes our 2nd year in a row on Curie.

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We were on Archimedes last year.

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Mark Leon does curie he has done so since atleast 2005. Typically all of the fields will get a few matches with all of the MC's as they switch around a bit during the event, but he is the main one for that field.

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Looks like some good competition. :)

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Archimedes for the past three, now Curie. Can't wait for the awesome competition.

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39 Regional Winners - here is the breakdown
6- Alliance Captain 1
3- Alliance Captain 2
2- Alliance Captain 3
1- Alliance Captain 6
7- 1st picks
1- 2nd pick
1- 3rd pick
2- 4th picks
1- 5th pick
1- 12th pick
3- 13th picks
2- 14th picks
2- 15th picks
7- 16th picks

2 Teams were Multiple Winners (2 regionals):
217 Alliance Captain 1, 1st Pick
2185 16th Pick, 16th Pick

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I thought 217 won 3 regionals. Twice as alliance captain and once as the first pick.

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From Ed Law's spreadsheet, http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...636#post847636

Everyones Offensive Power Ranking and Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin

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this will be 830's 3rd year in a row on Curie

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I used up all my paitence waiting for the divisions to come out and now I have no patience left in me to wait any longer for Nats. We are definetily going to have a blast on this division.:D

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Yeah. If you count MSC, we won three events. We were alliance captains twice(Troy and MSC) and first pick by HOT(Cass Tech).

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Jared,
Team 2185 won Waterloo and GTA regionals

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They won 2 Michigan Events, and the Michigan State Championship. Will check out the data base and see where I may have missed it, must be in my sorting.

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Alright we need to get this straight. We did not win the Midwest Regional.
We were semifinalists at Midwest.
We won both Troy and Cass Tech, as well as the Michigan State Championship.

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He was there in 2003 and 2004 also as I announced with him those years.

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I can't download the software for some reason, can someone tell me 744's OPR for this year? Thank You.

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744
Average Winning Margin per Match: 7.7
Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin: 25.4
CCWM Regional Rank: 3
CCWM World Rank: 48 out of 1674
Average Score per Match: 22.3
Offensive Power Rating(OPR): 33.2
OPR Regional Rank: 5
OPR World Rank: 67 out of 1674

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It is 33.2 and ranked 67 out of 1674 teams.

Ed

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Thank You. Umm .. One more thing, what is CCWM?

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You can read this post.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=76618

and refer to white paper
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2174

Ed

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Here's what Ed said earlier.

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So this thread has gotten rather quiet. We should be up to like 8 pages by now.

So, is anyone doing anything new and exciting to their robot for The Championship?

816 has some tricks up their sleeves....

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2992 has a few aces too. We plan on changing a few gear ratios around so that we can score faster. And we also plan on changing the angle on our turret to shoot directly at the trailer instead of dropping the balls in. We should, according to our math, be able to score at least 50% more than what we have been doing.
I'm looking forward to competing. Its been a few weeks since I've even seen our robot... :(

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We have made some changes. I'll get a picture of our modifications tonight. They are cool

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The Skunks have done some slight alterations on our swerve/crab drive. We added a different type of encoder that allows our software algorithms to work even better and make us even harder to track down and gives us even better maneuverability.

This could be fun...

Good luck to everyone else on Curie!! We look forward to making new friends and having a great competition.!!

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Cool, Oddly enough we're probably going to slow down our Scoring mechanism. It's so fast that we actually have the tendency to Jam up a bit, still being able to offload 20 balls in about 3 seconds should be enough to get the job done, I hope. We're also going to fix our Accuracy issue too...

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We learned from last year.


last year, on Thursday alone we tore off our arm that we had re designed like 8 time and replaced it with a launcher that worked quite well

this year, with a hopper and conveyor system that can pick up from the ground and human player and holds 25 balls on average, a dumper that can pump balls out 2 at a time, a empty cell holder that works but we haven't had much use for, traction control that hasn't been giving us any trouble, and 8 functional auton codes that work in all of the positions; we haven't had much to twiddle with...

to tell the truth, the pit crew(including me) have been bored... if anyone needs help, come ask us(we are really easy to find, just look for our giant banner and flags hanging off of our tool box)
spare parts, tools, stock; we usually have it all:cool:

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1771 has primarily just been doing code improvements, and getting in driving time and human player practice. Most hardware changes are pretty minor, only one that jumps to mind is some new heat sinks on our Fisher-Price's to help with overheating. We haven't had any overheating problems yet, but we don't want to start at championships.

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As far as I know, we arent changing anything but our scouting.

I fiddled with the idea of a fan for a while... But I think extra practice time will be more worth it than messing with our entire robot Thursday.



Hopefully it doesn't come back to haunt us, not changing anythinggg..

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We felt the same way, aside from swapping encoders we kept alterations to a minimum to get the most time on the field on Thursday.

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Considering we only have 25 official matches of practice, and 217 has a whopping 67, I think we have some catching up to do.... I like our decision, hopefully it plays out well for us!

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Same here. There was a point where I was going to add a Fan, An Empty Cell Mechanism, and A "Hood". Then I realized that'd that waste too much valuable practice and inspection time. So, I've simplified it down to swapping out a sprocket and adding a new toy. Both of which should only take about a half hour. My Goal is to be inspected and completed by Noon so then we can spend the rest of Thursday in the Filler Line for Practice Matches.

Brad, we should try to sneak in the filler line together if you have time. I wanna go head to head against you... When winning or losing won't matter. :D

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We'll be in the filler line all afternoon.. Definitely, head to head when it doesn't matter sounds good to me. =p

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Yeah us too, we generally play euchre in the pits nowadays :)

We aren't planning to change anything on our robot either from what I know, but our scouting definitely needs improvement.

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EUCHRE!!!!!! whoo hooo, I can rarely find people that play.. Deal me in!
Maybe a little euchre tournament on the side?

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Curie is going to rock this year. We may not be the most talked about division (or ARE we?), but I've got a good feeling about this year and our division!

Team 188 is excited to be a part of this amazing group of teams:

Our division's best can match up with the best in any division.

We are deep, and will field 8 strong alliances, with scoring threats at all 3 spots in every alliance.

I think the alliance that takes this division (and eventually Einstein :D) won't necessarily be the three best "robots" on paper or by statistics, but the three teams that can buy-in and cooperate the best, and build relationships and trust that allow the alliance to execute some pretty intricate strategies.

Trust that your partner will roll a super cell out to your robot instead of taking the shot if called upon. Trust that your partner will drop what they're doing to break you out of a pin. Trust that when you pin sometime, your partner will come and punish the pinned robot that much more. And trust that your partners understand that preventing a SuperCell scored on you is as valuable as scoring one yourself.

Going through the list of teams in Curie, it's not only that there are "good robots," but teams that also really "get it" when it comes to non-robot intangibles.

I think this is where the alliance that comes out of Curie is really going to shine.

P.S. For anyone curious about 188's robot: Team 188 - Blizzard X - Video

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Me Too!

i could just say im "Pit scouting" under deep cover, (not really necessary considering we have seen you guys at 2 competitions already...)

And


Everyone in Michigan got about that many matches...
my team in particular has had 61 so far...
its fun being the pilot program, the State championships where crazy considering each team there had already had about 24 matches to practice in and to work out bugs (good fun)

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We are doing some slight changes on our robot to make it pick up faster and better. We will probably be out on the filler line later on in the day.

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Shawn, we really do need to meet in Atlanta. Everything you said is accurate and I agree 100%. Teamwork is the biggest thing needed this year in Lunacy. I hope our team gets the opportunity to play with yours, you sound like an excellent coach, and our team would love to play with you guys.

Oh, and awesome video. On that note, our coach made a little highlight reel himself...
Team 399, Eagle Robotics, with their robot The Tin Man

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Miss Daisy will be sporting a new, taller turret that lets us score from a wider variety of angles, as well as an improved roller system that will help us handle some the mangled balls (with the plastic rivets) that jammed us in Philly. Hopefully we will be able to swap out the new for the old in a matter of 15 minutes or so on Thursday morning.

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Your Robot is quite sick Brad... You might be a better driver than me... Just maybe....

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Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

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Lets just say that someone brings like 4 foot balls to the competition(similar to beach balls) for the stands. What do you guys think the chances are that your teams would keep them going around the stands? Just curious.

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I'm sure people from my team, 1675, who are in the stands will be willing to help keep it going ^_^ sounds like a ton of fun :] I can't wait to see all of you guys in Atlanta. It's going to be an exciting division! Good Luck to all teams!

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Team 75 probably would be willing to keep it going to. It should be something fun to do while waiting for the field to be reset.

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I know about half of you in this thread already picked up a userbar...

But for anyone that missed it, I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...348#post849348

Support Curie! Or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!
FTC bars too, if your team is competing in both!

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How many champions were 3rd picks

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Wait, is this a trick question? I'll go with 1/3 of the total number since 3-member alliances started.

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14 teams were second round picks, While 6 of those teams were picked very last.

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ill keep the beach ball going!

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Not gonna lie, i was a little shocked how similar our robot is to yours. it works on the same principal.

the only differences i could spot from the video is:

1) ours can pick up balls 2 side by side all the way up
2) it looks like we have more ball storage space
3) we have a specially designed empty cell holder
4) we have rollers on the bottom and top of the opening to get a little bit more oomph while dumping

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I believe he was asking how many of the teams in the Curie division were 2nd picks of an alliance that won a regional, which Brett answered.

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I was having a Discussion with a driver of another Bright Orange team the other day about robot speed and just out of curiosity what are most of your robots geared for? I found out while talking to him I made a minor miscalculation and our robot is about 20% faster then I thought....

Just for reference we're running a Single CIM per side through standard Toughboxes with another sprocket reduction for an effective Gear Ratio of about 11:1. This puts our Speed at about 12fps under Ideal conditions, what about your robots?

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Even faster 'eh? =P I might have to bring some new gears with me...!

We're geared straight out of the toughbox's, so 12.5:1. Which is about 10.5fps ideally, I think. It's around there. =P

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Brad, the whole point of having Regolith this year was to stop the Drive Train Wars.... But, I'll still pack some extra sprockets just for good measure. ;)

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Ya right... my team is one of the ones that i think they created the game to foil our usual strategy (considering we have moved the player station( the reason why they have the ton of Velcro now) and we knocked over a human player station last year(at GLR, it was hilarious:D ))

im not sure what our gear ratio it, just that is is a weird odd number and we move at ≈9 ft/sec(i think, we made it faster at MSC so it may be that or faster, if you ask me in pits I'll know by then). we have a pair of fisher prices(i think) in the front and a pair of CIMs in the back, geared to the same rate.

(not on drive train so i don't know the exact stuff)

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I hope everyone is excited to Play on Thursday!

Any teams who don't use traction control try to track me down. I'll have a present for you ;) (While Supplies Last of Course)

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You better start wrapping for me then.

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I want. Put me on the list of people to get one! I will give presents in return. :D

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I used each team's average OPR and actual match schedule to predict every match and determine the seeding.

If you don't like the way your team did, don't worry, OPR hasn't proven to be much better at predicting matches then flipping a coin this year.

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Where did you find the match schedule? Will you please post a link??

Thanks!

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Well, (most of) 2815 is up and ready for another day on Curie. We tried a different sprocket ratio yesterday in a practice match--you'd recognize it by the way the robot hardly moved. :o We've flipped it back to our original ratio, which seems to be running much better. The hood we've added also appears to do its job well, so we're feeling pretty good about it.

See y'all in Q1!