Archimedes 2009
 

So who is excited? :)

We all know that we will win on Einstien this year :D

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Archimedes all the way! lol

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You know it! It's going to be INSANE this year!

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I'm excited! Been hoping with my buddies on 2826 that we could get into the same division. It makes it even sweeter that 93 is in it too, seeing as we(my buddies and I) are alumni of 93.

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All three members of the alliance that won Pittsburgh (222, 1218, 1743) will be on Archimedes. Should be fun!

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Metal-in-Motion is super excited to be in this division. Here's a picture of our bot. See everybody next week!

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medes ;)

222 is excited to be in Archimedes along with our Pittsburgh alliance partners 1218 and 1743. Archimedes is an interesting field at a glance....can't wait to see everyone in Atlanta

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Most of Frog Force just got off the phone with each other, and we're all pumped for next week. This is gonna be fun!

And remember: we're a Force to be reckoned with.

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Lets get ready to rumble!!!!!! It's great to be with my old team and sister team 93 as well as 857!

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Looking forward to it. Good luck everyone.

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125 is excited to be archimedes!

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good luck to team 2543!
from 1332

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Heres the list:

39
48
61
93
107
118
120
125
155
176
180
201
222
231
280
314
343
353
386
433
488
492
503
533
548
558
573
585
604
624
665
692
714
811
857
868
931
1002
1014
1114
1218
1266
1289
1302
1334
1341
1390
1421
1503
1535
1538
1555
1561
1592
1649
1712
1739
1743
1746
1807
1834
1986
1987
2056
2070
2075
2169
2220
2340
2354
2415
2470
2486
2543
2587
2655
2753
2779
2813
2826
2848
2874
2915
3009
3020
3062
3091

1114 and 2056 finally together in a division... I can't wait

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Aces are here... with a couple surprises!

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But not us ;_;

Anyhow, this looks like the division I'm envying a little, because a lot of cool teams (93, 2826, 1986) from the 10,000 Lakes Regional that I was hoping would be in the same divison as us are in here. Good luck to you three!

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Team 2415 the WiredCats is super-excited!

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Team 48 will be in Archimedes for the first time since Disney, I think, and will give it our best. Good luck to all.

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MEDES

It seams that there are a lot of good teams that are going to be here in Medes. I think that this will be the most competitive division out there.

And how many teams are from each state/country? I just want to see the spread?

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2005, actually.

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[quote=Alex Dinsmoor;847631And how many teams are from each state/country? I just want to see the spread?[/QUOTE]

We'll be representing the state to the East (SC). Only a couple hours away! Looks like 4 teams from the host state, and 7 from the South (FL). Good luck to all. Just think, next week at this time we'll be getting ready to uncrate the creations.

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No teams from outside Canada/US, but still a diverse field. Here's the breakdown:

Michigan 9
California 9
Florida 7
Pennyslvania 6
Ontario, Canada 5
New Jersey 5
Texas 5
Missouri 4
Georgia 4
Ohio 3
Massachusetts 3
New York 3
Oklahoma 3
Minnesota 3
Connecticut 3
Washington 2
Indiana 2
Arizona 2
Wisconsin 2
Nevada 1
Mississippi 1
Oregon 1
South Carolina 1
Illinois 1
New Hampshire 1
North Carolina 1

For a total of 87 teams.

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Here is a map I threw together of all the teams in Archimedes.

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Thanks....I try to blank that year in Atlanta from my memory if at all possible. I just lost the game. :-P

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Here is the ratios and percentages of teams from that state compared to overall:

Ranked by number of teams attending from that state

And by percentage of Atlanta attending teams:

It's interesting about the spread of a state's teams. We are seeing many states with 40%+ of their teams in Archi.

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Hey Alex 6/9 = 66% not 33%, simple mistake no big deal. That is some cool information. Now we need to see how each team team ranked in their state. Its easy for the MI teams its at www.firstinmichigan.org. Who wants to do the work to see how everyone else ranks?

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personally, i am very excited about going to atlanta again (as the driver this time;) ) i hope that we get to meet many new teams this year!

and next week just cant come fast enough:P

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I know the feeling you got, i joined in o7 and since then i wanted to be on the drive team
now being on the biggest stage for robotics, I FINALLY get to travel down the mysterious path for robots because they seemed to travel like a mile in 2 minutes between the pits and the fields lol :D

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yeah... it is a terribly long walk... first year as driver, but last year i was robocoach:P but it is a really fun experience, and i hope that you thouroughly enjoy it. because in my opinion, the clumination of the season ending at the georgia dome is a great experience no matter how many times that i have been!

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I have been twice and both times I was in awe, first i was a scouter my freshman year, sitting next to teams that were from 1992 and ones that had won regionals and championships divisions and the championship and we almost won our division in ATL and last year i was a major pit crew mechanic and it was AMAZING being in the pits and walking around "scouting" in the pits and seeing all these ungodly robots up close in person, this year is even better cause i can walk right up to them and talk to their drivers and watch them up close in person( and score in them) :cool:

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The CocoNuts can hardly contain theri excitment for this competition it will be epic! It is great to be representing Arizona with Team 39, you guys are awesome! I wish I could just skip the next week! Only 7 DAYS!!!

Tell your human play to study The Quadrature of the Porabola: proven by Archimedes! Haha!

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ahh... the archimedes allusions have already started:p

ARCHI!

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MEDES!!!

But seriously, if Archimedes wins Einstein this year, the winning teams all have to shout "Eureka!"
(not sure if this has been done before, but it'd be really cool to witness)

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I'll try to get the rest of the CircuitRunners to do that.

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Team 2655 Flying PlatyPi is ready to rumble!!! and our buds 2415 are there too!

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Maybe we can make another 8th seed run :) Cept' 832 wont b there to join us...:( Either way i am super excited!!!

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I say we go for a 1 seed run, being a winning underdog was crazy awesome though

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2470 is looking forward to seeing you guys there! ARCHIMEDES! Yeah!

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Team 1535 is looking forward to Archimedes! We are so happy that we are with 4 other Canadian teams! Good Luck to all!

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Here are some metrics I ran - numbers for the number happy people, with some ghetto bar graphs. The first two kind of go together, they tell the number of robots picked in each section. IE picked 1st or 5th - 16th would be the 2nd selection of the 1st seeded alliance. The second graph are the number of actual alliance captains. EDIT - My fake graphs won't line up when I post, so you'll have to live with offset graphs.


Pick 1 – 11111111111 11
Pick 2-3 - 11111111111111 14
Pick 4-6 - 1111111111111111 16
Pick 7-10 - 111111111 9
Pick 11-13 - 11111111111111 14
Pick 14-16 - 111111111111 12

AC – 1 – 111111 6
AC – 2 – 1111 4
AC – 3 – 11 2
AC – 4 – 1111 4
AC – 5 – 1 1
AC – 6 – 1111 4
AC – 7 – 111 3
AC – 8 – 11111111 8

Here's the seeding of all the robots in Archimedes throughout their respective regionals. Obviously these aren't going to add up to 87 because on average teams went to 1.60 regionals.

Seed 1 - 111111 6
Seed 2-5 - 11111111111111111 17
Seed 6-10 - 1111111111111111111111111111 28
Seed 11-15 - 11111111111111111111111 23
Seed 16-20 - 11111111111 11
Seed 20-30 - 11111111111111111111111111111 29
Seed 30-40 - 11111111111111 14
Seed >=40 - 111111111111 12


We have 24 regional/district winners overall (that includes teams that won more than once: 2056 and 2415, ). So there are 22 individual teams that actually won their regionals/districts.

I don't think Archimedes is the strongest division overall - however I'm still looking forward to having a good time with what looks to be a lot of good teams. Cya guys there.

-Greg P.

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Looking forwards to some great plays and new friends, and of course Overdrive will be coming in force!

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Ok I can add more to all of this:

2 2 regional winners
2 rookie regional winners
24 total regional championships
11 finals appearances(not including multiple by same teams)
27 semi-finals appearnaces(not including multiple by same teams)
36 quarter-finals appearances(not including multiple by same teams)

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"I don't think Archimedes is the strongest division overall - however I'm still looking forward to having a good time with what looks to be a lot of good teams. Cya guys there.
-Greg P."

Did you see Curie?:ahh: The thing about Lunacy is it's anybody's game.

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I think Archimedes will be the most competitive division out there. It seems very level, so it should be quite fun.

-Nick

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I totally have to agree, we might not have 20 powerhouse teams but that just makes it so that we dont always have like 2 or 3 in every match and it makes it easier for more productive and more level alliances and matches

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yes, its going to be very interesting to see how all of this shakes out. because it does look like we have a very even division. that makes for a lot more exciting play:D

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I'm all for even pairings and exciting matches. We had a very frustrating regional because, although out bot/human player consistently put up a very respectable 30-46 points per match, we were stuck either playing against powerhouse alliances or with weak alliance partners who put up very low numbers. Looking forward to seeing how our bot performs in a stronger alliance and on a more even playing field.

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That is my favorite part about championships, that all alliances are fairly strong and you are almost guaranteed to never have a "cant win" match, and none are a cake walk either.

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welcome to my world... it is very frustrating...

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I agree.
No-shows/unmoving robots killed us a couple of times, as the trailers were topped off completely.

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Hey so I made a thread for all of us to post pics and specs for our bots.

Heres the link:http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=76643


Lets get going... :)



6 Days!! :yikes:

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Sounds like a great idea. Also it would be nice if teams gave links to videos of matches they ran.

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Not really too true. in 2004, we were on another alliance who built their robot in 4 hours because fedex lost their robot. They really arent too even always but they are more even than regionals for a large part.

Either way, I am excited to be in Archimedes which I haven't been in since 2004.
Not only that but I get to play against my alma mater team 1002 the CircuitRunners.

And remember, not every winning alliance this year was a #1 alliance. I would rather have 3 solid robots instead of 2 super stars and another that isnt too sharp.

Hopefully we can be the Hometwon heroes. I think we have the 2nd shortest drive if not the shortest drive.
Good luck to everybody! I look forward to playing with all of yall

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even though it would be amazing to drive my own car to championships and be able to sleep in my bed while there, getting to be on a bus for 8 hours with team 1902 is something i just cant pass up =]

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psh, powerhouses. 3 determined, overlooked, and awesome robots can take down a powerhouse team with a little luck. we did it!
and we're all alone there from NC, our parent team didn't qualify for championships and our sister team couldn't afford the regional this year =(

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Um, of course I'm excited! especially with our teams flip-flopping between going and not going haha thank god for AVL!!!! but yes, needless to say I'm excited :) Archimedes will get to Einstein for SURE!:cool:

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Sup people.
Anyone seen me play Lunacy before? haha If not, you're gonna be blown away!!!!
Vectorman PLS is on his way!

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Archimedes == Going to Einstein.

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isnt that kind of a given? :rolleyes:

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Well, yeah, I just felt like posting a redundant programming joke.

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hey nick //no programming joke needed haha jk

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Mike,

That was terrible :P

-Nick

Remember today with the sound effects? That was hilarious!

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wow what happened to this thread?!? lol
it just died out, anybody got anything interesting to add to their robots for this special occasion?

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We had a fever.

We cured it.

We got MOAR COWBELL!!11

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The entire division is a sleeper. We'll all stay relatively tame till the last elimination matches on Saturday, then go into Einstein full force and decimate everyone. XD

ARCHI--OHWOW2009WORLDCHAMPIONS!

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665 is changing our ball dumping mechanism a little bit... we were probably getting 8/10 balls in during a dump before, we should be hitting 9 and 10 per dump with no jamming like we had at Florida

Let's see scouting wise, I have split scouting between me and another teammate and I have 39-1341. I have notes on all of the robots right now..the teams I'm most impressed with right now are:

61- For lightning fast dumps and reloads
201 - Great drivers, looked like they were mostly playing defense - I'm not sure if there will be any primary defensive bots on the alliances in Archi, but if there is, I would bet these guys would be high up there on that list
280 - While seeding 54th at the Michigan CMP, they were picked 5th and have great ball dumping speed and accuracy from what I've seen
488 - Looks good, accurate ball dumps, don't have a lot of info on them
624 - I think I was most impressed with 624 - these guys will make you pay if they get near your trailer, reminds me of 1114 a lot.
868 - Target acquisition, quick dumps and quick reloading make these guys a force to be reckoned with
1114 - Well built as always, they'll make you pay if they get near your trailer - but they've proven they can be beaten.

Consider this my mini-Looking Forward post for half of Archimedes. There are other good teams, but these are the ones that impressed me the most. I may post my observations for the next half when I get the results back.

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So who MCs Archimedes usually?

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Don't forget 1538, they look solid.

Well said.

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What would you like to know?

Obviously, we're very happy with how our robot's performed so far this season and are looking forward to unleashing it on the world.

-We collect rapidly from the ground; it'll grab a group of six+ balls in two or three seconds, typically.
-Hopper holds 18 balls comfortably, more if we human load on top of what we've collected from the floor. We can also store balls in our conveyor if necessary.
-We can unload our entire hopper's contents in a bit less than 2 seconds and are 95%+ accurate. We don't sweat dropping one ball when we're carrying 16. :)
-We have 8 unique autonomous programs that run from any starting position. Some hit very hard.
-We have traction control on demand. I'm confident saying we had the fastest robot in both Portland and Seattle.

Our data shows we averaged 12.5 balls scored/match by our robot in Seattle over seven matches. In one match, we scored no balls because we got greedy and ran out of time after collecting 20+. We did not collect data for any of the elimination rounds, but were undefeated throughout at Seattle. Our +/- was about 16.

Here's a picture: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33668

Let me know if there's anything more you'd like to know. :)

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How do you keep them in your hopper? do you have an unloader kinda like 1625?

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That's great.. thanks Madison. That should make my job a lot easier. I just didn't have a ton of info because unfortunately... no videos of your robot on TBA. Which is how we get a lot of our info.. a lot of watching film and analyzing robot's performance. But I did see your guys' robot on the webcast, so that info combined with what I've seen helps a lot. :D

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Gravity? :) I'm not intimately familiar with how 1625's machine functions, but our hopper is a cavity and the rear of the robot that is lined with a length of rip-stop nylon fabric. That fabric forms a 'U', with one end fixed to the front of the robot and the other wrapped around a spool driven by two CIMs. We spool the fabric up rapidly and that 'U' becomes a '_' or, really, something closer to a '/'

It's not dissimilar to 20's robot or to any of the machines that lift the balls up from below -- 111 and 1280, for example.

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Yeah, there are videos of all our matches available online, but I'm not sure if the folks that parsed them are okay with uploading them to TBA.

If anyone's interested in seeing more, you can find video of the Oregon Regional and the Microsoft Seattle Regional at bpsepaa.com. Login and password are each 'guest'.

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Nice Job! Very interesting to see!

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The map doesnt have 2415. instead it has our daughterish team 3091 listed twice.

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For anyone interested I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...348#post849348

Support Archimedes! Or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!

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its getting closer guys... only four days til ill be in ATL!!:D

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Looks like your division might be unfortunately happening with one less bot...

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...425#post849425

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I think that happened between Peachtree and Palmetto because I remember reading about them planning to fix it at Palmetto. Unless that was another team and something happened to 1746's robot too, but I don't believe so.

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To be able to compete after something as crushing (literally!) as that, and make it to the semis at the Palmetto Regional is definitely impressive.

Best of luck to all of you on Archimedes!

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ill confirm that it happened between peachtree and palmetto. it was quite amazing, given the time that they were given to build, to be able to have a basically identical robot to the one that they had a peachtree. so i will once again give a big kudos to them.

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Team 155 is looking forward to competing with teams in Archimedes. It looks like our division is pretty even across the board. 61 is a team to watch!
Nutty 11 can sweep up moon rocks off of the surface, can also be loaded by payload specialist, and can hold up to 15. Our deployment system is a power dumper which can dump 10-12 moon rocks in about 1-2 seconds. Our human player is very accurate, about 85-90%. We were finalists in Boston. See everyone from Archimedes on Thursday!

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The DiscoBots are definately diggin' the teams in Archimedes!
This will be interesting, and we can't wait to see you all in Atlanta!

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Hey Archimedes teams, I am tring to get a picture of every robot from this division for scouting purposes. Using thebluealliance.net and chiefdelphi.com I have found a lot of the teams pictures. If anyone has pictures of the following team's robots please send a PM. Also, if anyone wants the pictures I already have just send a PM. Good luck everyone in atlanta!

Robot Pictures Needed

39
120
155
176
231
280
314
343
353
386
433
533
573
585(?)
692
714
857
1002
1218
1266
1289
1302
1334
1341
1390
1421
1535
1555
1561
1592
1649
1739
1746
1834
1987
2056
2070
2075
2354
2415
2470
2655
2813
2848
2874(?)
3009
3020
3062
3091

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You can get all the Florida robot pictures at the link here: should have pictures of all you need IE: 1592, 1649, 1390, etc

http://www.michellecelio.com/FLreg09/Robots/

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We have two floating around on CD somewhere...

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You'll find some on the scouting thread for Acchmedes.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=76643

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I posted a pic of 857 here on CD, I'll find the link and edit it in here.


Here is the link

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33194

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A generally useful tool: use the frclinks.com service like so:

frclinks.com/t/[team number] - if the team has a website, the link will appear in the resulting page.

You can find pics of 1218 and 3062 at the Pittsburgh Regional at www.team1708.com.

I'm surprised no pics of 2056 have popped up online anywhere.

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Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

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Wow good stuff, while we all know you can't rely on numbers and statistics alone, it's a great representation of the field and seems to match up with my scouting thus far.

Quick question, how are the teams ordered on your list? Neither the mean, median, mode or any of the categories line up in a perfect order. Is there just a stat that isn't on there that's ordering them, or am I missing something? Thanks for posting this again.

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Interesting data. Looking at the deviations and the seeding ranges, once you get past the first 8 bots its a pretty open field. It will be fun to try to beat the odds :)

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It's ordered by the average OPR, from Ed Law's spreadsheet. Given enough iterations, I'd expect the average seed to be be the same order as OPR, but it looks like 200 wasn't enough. It takes about 24 hours to do 200 match schedules, so that's my practical limit.

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For anyone shopping for Archimedes robot pictures, we have a collection going at this Picasa Album:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mrhartwi...eat=directlink

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That's last year's stuff right?

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Hey Joe,

Are you coming to ATL? Didn't see 330 on the list ...

- Rick Folea

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We'll be there ... That accident happened between two of our regionals.

"otto" is rarin' to go ... (band-aides an all ..)

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I used each team's average OPR and the actual match schedule to predict each match and calculate the standings.

If you don't like the way your team did in the simulation, don't worry, OPR has proven to be only slightly better then flipping a coin this year.

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That is an old picture of our robot, I don't have any new ones on hand but it's pretty upgraded :)

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Alliance selection is going on.