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Alex Cormier 11-04-2009 14:48
Re: Newton 09
 
There is now 88 teams in Newton this year. Who is the extra team?

TKM.368 11-04-2009 14:56
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 849052)
There is now 88 teams in Newton this year. Who is the extra team?
Looks like 687 is now in. Welcome!

Alex Cormier 11-04-2009 14:57
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TKM.368 (Post 849060)
Looks like 687 is now in. Welcome!
But... why and how?

Mike Starke 11-04-2009 14:58
Re: Newton 09
 
Newton just feels like home to me. :) 340 has been on Newton 5 times out of the last 6 years.
There is a lot of Newton pride here, lets make Archimedes, Curie and Galileo wish they were in our division! Let's have some non stop cheering and excitement!
NEWTON PRIDE!!!!




ISSAC!

TKM.368 11-04-2009 15:08
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 849061)
But... why and how?
Good question.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 849051)
Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator).
Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Starke (Post 849064)
ISSAC!
NEWTON!!!

1t5h1e1o 11-04-2009 15:09
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by artdutra04 (Post 848941)
Now that would be a sight to see - a Norm Abrams FRC robot! :yikes:
That thing would have some major class. :D

Joe Ross 11-04-2009 15:24
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TKM.368 (Post 849075)
Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:
No promises. It takes about 24 hours to run a simulation (most of that is generating matches). I need to refactor the code to add another team, and I'm not sure if I'll have time to do that and run the simulation before the championship.

687's average OPR is similar to 33 and 768, so they should do similarly.

They won the engineering inspiration award at the Los Angeles Regional, which is how they qualified. Not sure how they added so late.

BradMello 11-04-2009 17:16
Re: Newton 09
 
Great show of teams in Newton this year, I look forward to the competition.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eov0n4pukE

total coincidence our best score was at 1:21

Dan 1038 11-04-2009 22:51
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 849051)
Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 193 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Code:
Team  Avg Seed        Median        Mode        StDev        Min        Max        #1 seed        Top 8
1625        6.3        4        1        7.5        1        48        40        155
121        7.4        5        1        7.7        1        47        46        131
1726        10.4        7        1        9.8        1        47        20        106
1507        12.6        9        3        12.6        1        69        11        96
2970        14.4        11        4        12.7        1        67        10        85
1701        17.6        14        3        13.6        1        78        7        56
234        18.5        14        5        15.3        1        65        7        60
16        21.8        17        7        16.2        1        76        4        47
1155        21.5        19        5        14.9        1        66        3        42
2377        22.4        19        5        15.8        1        76        2        44
102        21.2        17        7        16.1        1        67        3        49
191        21.9        19        2        14.8        1        64        2        43
364        22.6        19        31        15.5        1        67        2        40
1038        22.9        18        7        16.8        1        79        2        41
First, I must say I am impressed at your analysis - neat way to look at the available data and extrapolate a result. Unfortunately, as the stats suggest, the analysis really doesn't mean anything. The standard deviations are too large to lead any credance to the results, as would be expected in an analysis with this many variables. Keep at it, if you can refine this it will be a very cool way to predict team's success!

LadyinthePit 11-04-2009 23:29
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 848811)
Wait, Jim. I didn't see a miter saw, planer, router or jointer listed for 1730's pit. Or do you bring your own??;)
Let's put it this way at the Palmetto Regional Bilfred said that our team had everything but the kitchen sink. So you'll just have to come by and see what tricks we have up our sleeves ;)

Joe Ross 11-04-2009 23:33
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan 1038 (Post 849337)
First, I must say I am impressed at your analysis - neat way to look at the available data and extrapolate a result. Unfortunately, as the stats suggest, the analysis really doesn't mean anything. The standard deviations are too large to lead any credance to the results, as would be expected in an analysis with this many variables. Keep at it, if you can refine this it will be a very cool way to predict team's success!
It worked better last year because there was a much wider distribution of scores. This year, there's isn't as big of difference between the 3rd or 4th best robot in a division and the 20th. The standard deviations last year were about half of what they are this year.

The other thing this demonstrates is how only 7 seeding rounds isn't adequate.

The final factor is that this year it's much harder to separate a single robot's performance in to any single number. For example, your partner that pins another robot so you can score doesn't score anything itself, but certainly contributes points to the alliance. Last year's game was much more seperable, and in that case OPR correlated with our scouting very well (0.9). This year it's still decent, but not as good (0.6).

BandChick 12-04-2009 00:26
Re: Newton 09
 
For anyone interested I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...348#post849348

Support Newton! Or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!
FTC bars too, in case your team is competing in both!

mark johnson 12-04-2009 12:43
Re: Newton 09
 
[quote=BradMello;849216]Great show of teams in Newton this year, I look forward to the competition.




I agree,with a list of teams kike this 16 33 85 121 126 135 148 177 191 233 234 340 365 469 1625 1726 1732 1918 and im sure I missed some great teams ,Newton is rock solid!!!!!!!!!

Dan 1038 12-04-2009 13:56
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 849350)
The final factor is that this year it's much harder to separate a single robot's performance in to any single number. For example, your partner that pins another robot so you can score doesn't score anything itself, but certainly contributes points to the alliance. Last year's game was much more seperable, and in that case OPR correlated with our scouting very well (0.9). This year it's still decent, but not as good (0.6).
Agreed, Last year was perfect for this type of analysis as there was no significant defense contribution, as Simbotics so blatantly showed all of us :eek:. We had the (mis?)fortune of being against them at both Midwest and the championships... This year has so many variables, it is about impossible to analyze individual robots using alliance stats. At Buckeye, I saw a number of defensive bots with no scoring ability score huge - they had human players off the basketball team! That is a key to the game this year which is kind of new, since the HPs can make or break a close match. It is also about impossible to show the effectiveness of HPs without dedicating scouts to watch the robot and another to watch the HP!

Wayne TenBrink 12-04-2009 17:54
Re: Newton 09
 
All these predictions and rating systems are great, but the only score that matters is the one that shows up on the board after the match. All are good in that they make us think about what factors matter in this game, and they give us something to do while we wait for the real thing!

All of them seem to be in general agreement, with the same teams showing up in approximately the same place on each. I would caution against trying to get too precise with any of this. In fact, I think you are kidding youself if you have more than one or two significant digits in the rating.

We plan to use advance scouting for two things:
1) Qual match planning - who are the scoring threats, who is likely to come after us, and who should we send after their top threat?
2) Draft scouting priority - since we really can't do a good job of scouting every team. We plan to focus on about the top half.

Not to be left out of the fun, we came up with our own system. It is based mostly on the FIRST in MI system (win/loss record, draft selection, and elimination performance, all normalized to account for the different numbers of events) with a scaling factor based on the Simbots "+/- contribution" thrown in for good measure. Did we put the proper empahsis on the correct statistics? Who knows. It must be right because it puts us in the top 10 (just kidding). It agrees with a lot of the other ratings, but there are some good teams that didn't make the cut, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Here is what we came up with for the teams above the median:

Team # Rating
1625 49
2970 43
1155 42
121 42
1038 41
1726 41
1657 39
368 39
1507 38
85 35
1918 34
852 33
234 33
612 32
1086 32
3075 31
16 31
2344 31
832 29
148 28
469 28
1868 28
1569 27
292 27
768 27
365 27
1706 26
126 26
2866 25
2377 25
135 25
2004 25
102 24
2996 24
2609 23
2659 23
1714 22
1629 22
360 22
88 22
1511 21
233 21
364 20
1732 20
1701 20

rees2001 12-04-2009 19:22
Re: Newton 09
 
Not sure how statistic driven your analysis is. You seem to have left off a good number of good teams and included a number of teams that were picked teams at regionals, not the pickers.

Athleticgirl389 13-04-2009 00:17
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 849051)
Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 193 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 193 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Code:
Team  Avg Seed        Median        Mode        StDev        Min        Max        #1 seed        Top 8
1625        6.3        4        1        7.5        1        48        40        155
121        7.4        5        1        7.7        1        47        46        131
1726        10.4        7        1        9.8        1        47        20        106
1507        12.6        9        3        12.6        1        69        11        96
2970        14.4        11        4        12.7        1        67        10        85
1701        17.6        14        3        13.6        1        78        7        56
234        18.5        14        5        15.3        1        65        7        60
16        21.8        17        7        16.2        1        76        4        47
1155        21.5        19        5        14.9        1        66        3        42
2377        22.4        19        5        15.8        1        76        2        44
102        21.2        17        7        16.1        1        67        3        49
191        21.9        19        2        14.8        1        64        2        43
364        22.6        19        31        15.5        1        67        2        40
1038        22.9        18        7        16.8        1        79        2        41
469        22.2        19        4        15.8        1        70        2        42
148        24.3        20        13        16.3        1        82        2        24
1732        25.4        22        19        16.1        1        68        1        27
135        24.2        22        30        15.2        1        77        6        31
1918        27.6        25        32        16.1        1        75        2        19
368        29.6        27        18        18.0        1        86        3        18
2344        28.7        27        6        17.3        1        86        3        26
1868        29.0        25        17        17.0        1        82        1        22
233        29.9        28        11        18.8        1        81        4        24
292        32.4        30        9        18.6        2        79        0        14
612        31.6        31        44        17.9        2        78        0        22
1714        33.4        31        22        17.9        3        85        0        11
852        32.5        30        8        19.2        1        87        1        17
360        31.2        27        51        19.2        1        78        2        22
85        30.9        28        25        18.3        3        84        0        15
126        30.4        29        22        16.4        1        77        1        14
122        35.9        34        43        18.9        1        84        1        13
1657        33.5        31        21        19.6        1        80        1        20
1629        33.8        32        32        19.2        2        86        0        17
88        37.8        35        19        20.8        2        86        0        15
846        35.1        34        30        18.7        1        83        1        13
365        36.7        34        14        20.6        2        83        0        12
768        37.9        36        35        17.4        2        79        0        7
33        36.9        36        32        19.2        1        81        2        11
1086        40.2        40        43        20.4        2        80        0        12
159        40.5        38        39        19.3        2        82        0        7
340        42.4        43        65        19.6        2        85        0        8
842        43.8        42        52        20.0        2        84        0        6
1350        43.9        45        46        18.9        2        82        0        4
3075        43.8        43        34        19.8        4        86        0        9
862        42.4        44        49        19.0        2        81        0        6
2890        44.1        46        55        19.9        2        85        0        9
2609        44.3        44        44        20.5        5        87        0        4
2866        46.0        47        34        19.1        6        87        0        4
177        46.6        51        53        20.7        6        84        0        3
2875        49.5        50        70        18.9        6        86        0        3
2283        51.7        53        68        18.0        10        83        0        0
2771        50.5        51        51        19.4        3        87        0        2
832        54.9        57        53        19.4        8        87        0        1
195        54.3        57        58        17.9        2        87        0        1
1138        54.3        57        61        17.9        12        87        0        0
578        53.4        56        56        18.0        6        86        0        1
1557        57.6        59        56        16.9        17        85        0        0
1730        53.9        55        38        20.0        6        86        0        2
228        56.3        58        71        18.7        1        87        1        2
1811        58.4        60        62        17.7        7        87        0        1
339        56.1        59        67        18.6        8        87        0        1
1516        57.2        59        55        17.8        10        87        0        0
1706        57.2        60        69        18.3        14        87        0        0
1098        56.8        58        72        19.1        7        87        0        1
358        59.3        61        70        18.5        7        87        0        1
2659        57.3        60        60        19.7        4        87        0        1
1569        60.1        62        73        16.8        12        85        0        0
980        58.5        60        66        17.7        11        87        0        0
2004        60.6        65        79        19.7        10        87        0        0
1511        60.2        64        58        18.4        8        86        0        1
1209        62.3        65        80        17.4        10        86        0        0
1458        61.9        67        56        17.6        12        87        0        0
2836        63.4        68        73        16.7        6        87        0        2
620        63.8        64        82        15.9        8        87        0        1
1506        67.3        72        75        16.2        25        87        0        0
2067        67.9        72        72        15.4        15        87        0        0
2702        67.5        72        81        15.6        11        87        0        0
2783        67.6        71        85        14.6        25        87        0        0
138        71.3        75        85        13.7        21        87        0        0
1547        69.4        73        83        14.0        16        87        0        0
1700        70.3        74        84        13.6        34        87        0        0
1311        70.4        74        74        13.7        25        87        0        0
1023        72.3        76        86        13.3        29        87        0        0
2996        73.2        76        84        12.0        22        87        0        0
2549        73.1        76        87        12.9        14        87        0        0
529        75.2        78        86        11.4        38        87        0        0
86        82.4        85        87        7.4        42        87        0        0

Boy oh boy do I love Stats <3 LOL! Coinicidence.... all 102 matches and 102 is there, doing pretty well... I always knew I liked that number :p lol. Seeing Stats. in general are just fun things so this is amazing :D

Chris is me 13-04-2009 01:40
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 849644)
All these predictions and rating systems are great, but the only score that matters is the one that shows up on the board after the match.
That's true, but you can't use that score to scout individual teams! There are 5 other robots on the field, that all affect the score! Making a scouting system based on that not only defeats the purpose of scouting at a regional, it's inaccurate because qualifiers aren't perfect.

Maybe I'm just critical because my team's not on the upper half of that list, though :D

IKE 13-04-2009 07:55
Re: Newton 09
 
Great work with all of the techniques so far.

One thing I like about the Simbots system is they look at each indiviual team and event. One important factor on this is to look for trends. Like anything else with time, some get better. Some do worse (because the field got better), some got lucky, some are consistently good.

The averaging systems can be dangerous because they do not pay attention to these trends. Some experienced teams had a great first weekend because there were a lot of dead bots at the regionals they attended that they could pick on.

Consistent top and bottom performers are easy to pick out. If a team only attends 1 event, it is very difficult to determine Lucky vs. Good.

Happy Data Crunching!

Rembmer always temper your data with common sense, and make sure your opinion reflects reality by using a data.

rees2001 13-04-2009 08:52
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IKE (Post 849874)
One important factor on this is to look for trends. Like anything else with time, some get better.

The averaging systems can be dangerous because they do not pay attention to these trends.
This is a good point, some teams show up for competition with systems that need some work while others show up as ready as they will ever be.

340 showed up with some work to do. We started 0-3 & then went 9-1 before losing 2 in the finals. The record shows 9-6 but I see, streaks of 0-3 then 5-0 in quals, 4-1 then 0-2 in elims. We have also had weeks to work out the bugs & make some changes ;). I love the speculation leading up to Championship & I do know that prior performance plays a part but, things can change.

Chexposito 13-04-2009 10:37
Re: Newton 09
 
Just to clarify what I said about team driven's strategy. We can score but a good strategy that worked well for us at one regional for empty cell delivery. We can score and especially because of our awesome drivetrain. We can adapt to many roles. And one very nice thing is we don't break like other robots. The only thing we've broken was in the pit by accident.

Robyn Needel 13-04-2009 12:28
Re: Newton 09
 
This looks like a great competition field - can't wait to see old friends and meet new ones! Let's make sure that Newton is the best all-around field in Atlanta! 768 is ready to play :-)

Justin Montois 13-04-2009 16:29
Re: Newton 09
 
Knowing we had to bring our best to compete on Newton, we decided to make some changes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtaIucO54g

colin340 13-04-2009 16:36
Re: Newton 09
 
nice job on that video Justin
and do i here a dolphin in that video at :38 or is that just Jeremy Tice ?JK!! Thanks for the help Tice!!
i can't wait for ATL

Alex Cormier 13-04-2009 16:38
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 340x4xLife (Post 850069)
Knowing we had to bring our best to compete on Newton, we decided to make some changes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtaIucO54g
I knew something was brewing at the GRR place!

dodar 13-04-2009 16:41
Re: Newton 09
 
I guess im a bit slow but wasnt that a totally different robot holding and firing the empty cell from the beginning of the video? :confused:

Justin Montois 13-04-2009 16:49
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 850075)
I guess im a bit slow but wasnt that a totally different robot holding and firing the empty cell from the beginning of the video? :confused:
It will look like a totally different robot. But really we just took off the shooter and took out our ball management system and replaced them with a couple inclined planes and some powered rollers.

The robot in the video was our practice bot.

MOE 13-04-2009 19:23
Re: Newton 09
 
HELLOOOooo from the North East :D
Yep its me old MOE and Team 88 TJ2 we are ready for a HOOT. See all of the great teams on Thur. Take care and have a safe trip to ALT. ;) See you all SOOOoooooon MOE and TEAM 88 TJ2:yikes:

Joe Ross 14-04-2009 12:19
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TKM.368 (Post 849075)
Thanks Joe! I don't suppose you intend to rerun the simulation with the addition of 687, will you? :ahh:
Here you go:
Code:
Team  Avg Seed        Median        Mode        StDev        Min        Max        #1 Seed        Top 8
1625        5.7        3        1        6.4        1        43        41        160
121        6.7        4        1        7.6        1        47        41        145
1726        10.1        8        4        9.7        1        61        18        111
1507        12.0        8.5        4        11.6        1        78        13        100
2970        14.2        12        3        12.1        1        59        15        78
1701        18.5        14        10        14.4        1        66        7        59
234        19.6        15.5        15        14.6        1        82        6        45
2377        21.1        17        3        16.6        1        77        6        58
16        21.6        18        11        14.6        1        67        4        40
191        21.8        18.5        7        15.2        1        74        3        49
1038        21.9        19        12        16.0        1        80        5        39
364        22.4        16        15        16.9        1        69        6        43
1155        23.3        20        5        16.3        1        72        2        46
469        23.3        18        14        16.9        1        70        6        42
148        23.3        20        7        16.1        1        79        1        42
102        23.5        21        22        16.5        1        80        5        39
1918        25.6        21        16        17.3        1        71        3        32
2344        27.2        26        17        16.1        1        79        1        23
135        27.6        25        31        17.5        1        78        1        27
368        27.8        26        32        16.0        2        79        0        20
1732        28.5        25.5        12        18.6        1        80        4        28
233        28.9        27        27        17.1        3        74        0        26
1868        29.5        27.5        12        18.2        2        79        0        26
292        30.9        28.5        31        19.2        2        81        0        22
1714        31.9        29        23        17.6        1        82        2        14
1657        32.1        28.5        27        18.8        1        84        1        21
126        32.3        29.5        18        19.5        1        85        1        17
852        33.0        29        20        18.7        2        86        0        17
612        33.3        31.5        25        17.8        1        81        1        12
846        34.0        32.5        24        17.9        1        85        2        9
85        34.7        31        27        19.1        1        80        1        15
88        34.9        34        36        19.9        2        80        0        17
122        35.0        33        44        19.2        2        81        0        15
360        35.5        33        31        18.8        2        82        0        13
1629        35.9        34        46        17.6        2        86        0        6
33        36.4        35        48        19.2        2        88        0        13
768        36.7        34        49        18.6        2        81        0        9
365        37.6        36        28        19.8        1        86        2        12
687        39.4        38        30        19.2        4        86        0        10
1086        40.4        42        51        18.7        1        80        1        10
159        40.7        39        35        18.9        3        87        0        6
340        41.8        41        38        17.9        2        87        0        4
1350        43.0        43        44        19.6        5        85        0        4
3075        43.5        42        23        19.8        4        88        0        8
2866        44.4        46        20        19.8        2        86        0        12
862        44.7        43.5        38        19.8        6        86        0        4
842        45.0        46        66        20.0        3        86        0        6
2609        46.1        45        43        19.1        1        87        1        3
2890        48.1        50        55        19.0        4        84        0        3
2875        48.5        51        70        18.5        8        83        0        4
177        49.7        53        67        19.1        2        88        0        2
2283        50.2        52        43        21.1        3        87        0        6
2771        51.3        52        44        18.9        7        87        0        2
578        53.5        56.5        77        19.3        6        87        0        2
195        53.6        54.5        53        18.9        5        88        0        2
832        53.8        54.5        66        18.3        6        87        0        1
1138        55.1        56.5        47        18.5        3        88        0        2
1557        55.8        58        69        19.0        5        88        0        2
2659        56.7        59        55        18.7        5        87        0        2
228        56.9        58.5        59        18.0        10        87        0        0
1098        57.7        59        57        18.8        3        88        0        3
1730        58.5        61        69        18.8        9        87        0        0
1516        59.2        61.5        58        18.2        9        88        0        0
1706        59.2        61        86        19.2        3        88        0        4
358        59.2        61        68        18.3        9        87        0        0
1811        59.4        62        54        17.7        5        88        0        1
339        60.0        62        82        18.2        12        88        0        0
980        60.6        65.5        71        19.1        2        86        0        2
1569        60.6        66        80        18.8        3        88        0        3
1209        62.1        63.5        71        16.7        9        87        0        0
2004        62.2        65        81        16.8        15        87        0        0
1458        62.6        65        82        17.5        11        88        0        0
1511        63.2        69.5        72        17.9        11        88        0        0
2836        65.0        69        56        16.8        7        88        0        1
620        65.5        70        79        17.6        8        88        0        1
1506        66.2        71        74        16.6        16        88        0        0
2783        67.9        72        85        16.2        18        88        0        0
2702        67.9        72        85        15.6        14        88        0        0
2067        69.0        73        73        13.7        30        88        0        0
138        69.9        74        86        15.2        10        88        0        0
1311        70.3        74        74        14.9        21        88        0        0
1547        72.3        76        85        14.9        13        88        0        0
2996        73.0        77        87        12.8        29        88        0        0
1700        73.3        76        84        13.6        11        88        0        0
1023        74.7        78.5        87        13.4        19        88        0        0
2549        74.9        79        87        13.0        31        88        0        0
529        77.7        82        85        11.1        41        88        0        0
86        83.7        86.5        88        7.6        36        88        0        0

gorrilla 14-04-2009 12:22
Re: Newton 09
 
:ahh: less then 1 day now:ahh:

flippy147852 14-04-2009 13:21
Re: Newton 09
 
It's been a while so...

ISSAC!!!

MadeAtMidnight 14-04-2009 13:44
Re: Newton 09
 
....Newton!!

MOE 14-04-2009 15:48
Re: Newton 09
 
HELLOooooo from the North East :D


NEWTON !!!!

TYE DYE for ever ;) oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!!
MOE and Team 88 TJ2 see all soooooon :yikes:

Joe Ross 16-04-2009 20:42
Re: Newton 09
 
I used the average OPR and actual match schedule to predict the outcome of every match and the standings.

Code:
Match        Red 1        Red 2        Red 3        Blue 1        Blue 2        Blue 3        R Score        B Score
1        364        1209        1811        2609        2771        852        62        67
2        469        2996        2702        1507        228        1155        51        88
3        360        135        368        1701        862        1506        86        68
4        612        2344        2970        1730        88        233        94        71
5        2836        339        768        2283        86        159        54        40
6        1350        846        2783        102        122        138        59        68
7        292        177        980        85        842        121        63        94
8        1511        1098        16        2659        1625        1657        63        88
9        195        2377        1726        126        2004        2549        90        49
10        1311        1629        2890        1706        1516        620        56        44
11        340        1714        1547        234        1038        578        59        84
12        1918        358        687        1458        1557        1086        70        54
13        529        832        1138        148        1732        2875        42        81
14        2866        1023        1569        3075        2067        191        44        65
15        1868        33        1350        1700        365        16        75        67
16        126        612        2609        2783        2659        862        75        49
17        159        620        102        1657        135        2702        67        67
18        1726        234        2890        2283        228        177        96        56
19        578        85        195        368        2344        2771        63        77
20        339        2970        360        2549        529        292        81        41
21        2067        1557        88        846        832        1701        54        79
22        2377        1516        1458        122        980        1023        62        49
23        233        148        364        33        340        2996        91        56
24        3075        1706        121        1918        852        1511        83        71
25        365        2004        1732        768        1714        1629        71        78
26        1868        1811        1625        1138        2866        469        90        71
27        1506        842        86        2875        1569        1086        32        58
28        2836        1730        1155        138        1038        191        62        74
29        687        1547        1507        1209        1098        1311        72        39
30        1700        85        159        358        122        862        59        64
31        195        2283        16        529        980        233        70        49
32        1706        1023        228        2970        1350        126        41        87
33        768        2771        469        2890        135        2659        76        68
34        365        86        2702        177        2067        1918        35        61
35        578        1629        1625        1730        846        148        90        74
36        364        339        1547        842        191        1868        57        82
37        33        292        620        358        832        1569        65        49
38        1506        2377        1732        1098        1557        612        74        60
39        360        1657        1209        1714        3075        2836        67        62
40        102        88        1726        1511        1038        2996        98        54
41        1155        2875        1700        687        340        1516        61        63
42        2783        2549        852        2866        1458        2344        45        64
43        2004        121        1701        1311        1811        234        95        59
44        1138        2609        1507        138        1086        368        78        62
45        86        1098        1868        980        126        148        42        73
46        1657        832        364        2377        578        1706        76        66
47        2067        2996        1506        2836        2970        2771        30        69
48        122        612        1569        1714        1511        195        68        59
49        340        1732        2549        842        846        2890        60        70
50        862        88        852        687        234        339        75        74
51        1023        1701        768        292        1038        1138        68        78
52        1625        102        1311        1155        365        358        87        74
53        3075        2344        2283        1086        620        1700        70        44
54        121        16        159        138        228        360        101        54
55        469        1730        2004        2783        33        177        64        56
56        1516        1507        2659        1557        1811        233        71        61
57        529        368        1918        1726        2866        1209        65        75
58        1458        1547        2875        1629        2702        85        43        64
59        191        1350        2996        135        2609        86        62        49
60        980        1138        234        364        2836        2549        67        52
61        1086        2067        360        612        852        102        61        86
62        1511        2344        148        339        1023        2004        74        39
63        233        1868        620        121        1038        687        68        102
64        2970        842        1714        1516        1701        1625        87        97
65        1918        1811        846        195        1098        159        72        57
66        1458        1350        1569        340        368        2659        51        68
67        358        16        2609        1629        3075        1726        70        88
68        177        1706        2771        529        88        191        55        64
69        138        1657        2866        1732        126        85        57        84
70        1557        1209        2702        1730        1700        768        42        51
71        862        2377        33        1311        228        2875        79        46
72        122        832        2283        135        365        1507        63        95
73        2890        1506        292        2783        1155        1547        62        53
74        469        1516        1511        578        1086        2549        62        48
75        842        1098        1023        2996        234        360        46        69
76        1701        340        2836        529        2344        1629        71        61
77        2004        2866        620        980        612        1350        48        64
78        1730        2067        1714        159        2875        1706        55        59
79        122        33        852        1557        1138        1726        78        75
80        846        368        126        1155        339        16        82        81
81        2783        1732        135        1311        1868        195        71        55
82        85        1038        228        86        1625        364        76        76
83        2771        121        1569        1700        1657        1507        79        74
84        578        2609        687        768        1506        177        64        56
85        233        3075        862        2890        365        1458        72        62
86        138        148        1811        292        88        2702        57        65
87        2659        191        2283        1209        358        2377        67        62
88        2970        102        832        469        1547        1918        88        71
89        529        842        1038        1350        159        852        60        72
90        1098        2875        2836        620        1726        2783        49        63
91        1516        2609        1569        1868        360        1730        52        72
92        1086        228        365        1701        2771        2866        66        75
93        768        1458        195        88        364        1507        57        97
94        578        1138        2890        1209        2996        2004        58        37
95        86        1700        1629        1811        832        1023        33        42
96        135        340        138        612        339        1706        62        59
97        126        234        1625        292        3075        122        107        76
98        2702        1511        1311        846        2283        2970        34        82
99        980        1714        2659        102        33        2344        58        86
100        2067        85        687        2377        469        16        62        97
101        233        368        358        1547        1732        177        73        60
102        191        2549        1657        1506        1918        148        65        73
103        1557        1155        195        121        862        529        68        73
Code:
Rank        Team        Wins        Losses        Ties        Matches        QP        RS        MP
1        121        7        0        0        7        14        65.29        102
2        1625        6        0        1        7        13        74.43        107
3        102        6        0        1        7        13        63.43        98
4        1726        6        1        0        7        12        59.71        98
5        2771        6        1        0        7        12        59.71        79
6        1507        6        1        0        7        12        58.14        97
7        126        6        1        0        7        12        56.43        107
8        191        6        1        0        7        12        56.29        82
9        2344        6        1        0        7        12        54.43        94
10        2970        6        1        0        7        12        53.57        94
11        1701        5        2        0        7        10        66.14        97
12        368        5        2        0        7        10        64.29        86
13        852        5        2        0        7        10        64        86
14        3075        5        2        0        7        10        61.29        88
15        862        5        2        0        7        10        60.86        79
16        234        5        2        0        7        10        60.29        107
17        88        5        2        0        7        10        60.29        98
18        846        5        2        0        7        10        59.86        82
19        687        5        2        0        7        10        59.14        102
20        612        5        2        0        7        10        58.14        94
21        33        5        2        0        7        10        58.14        86
22        1516        5        2        0        7        10        57.43        97
23        1629        5        2        0        7        10        56.57        90
24        2377        5        2        0        7        10        56.29        97
25        360        5        2        0        7        10        54.86        86
26        2890        5        2        0        7        10        54.29        96
27        148        5        2        0        7        10        53.57        91
28        1350        5        2        0        7        10        53.57        87
29        1038        4        2        1        7        9        63.86        102
30        135        4        2        1        7        9        61.29        95
31        122        4        3        0        7        8        62.86        78
32        469        4        3        0        7        8        61        97
33        1918        4        3        0        7        8        59.71        73
34        1868        4        3        0        7        8        58.86        90
35        2659        4        3        0        7        8        58.86        88
36        292        4        3        0        7        8        58.14        78
37        1138        4        3        0        7        8        58.14        78
38        340        4        3        0        7        8        58.14        71
39        1732        4        3        0        7        8        57.86        84
40        578        4        3        0        7        8        57.57        90
41        768        4        3        0        7        8        57.43        78
42        2609        4        3        0        7        8        57.14        78
43        832        4        3        0        7        8        54        88
44        2283        4        3        0        7        8        49.71        82
45        1657        3        3        1        7        7        64.86        88
46        364        3        3        1        7        7        60.86        97
47        85        3        3        1        7        7        60.43        94
48        159        3        3        1        7        7        56        101
49        16        3        4        0        7        6        63.71        101
50        358        3        4        0        7        6        61.14        74
51        233        3        4        0        7        6        61        91
52        1730        3        4        0        7        6        58.86        74
53        138        3        4        0        7        6        58.57        74
54        842        3        4        0        7        6        57.86        94
55        1811        3        4        0        7        6        57.14        90
56        2866        3        4        0        7        6        56.57        75
57        1506        3        4        0        7        6        52        74
58        1569        3        4        0        7        6        51.57        79
59        980        3        4        0        7        6        51.57        73
60        2836        3        4        0        7        6        50.86        71
61        2875        3        4        0        7        6        46.86        81
62        620        2        4        1        7        5        52.71        68
63        2702        2        4        1        7        5        47        67
64        529        2        5        0        7        4        56        73
65        1706        2        5        0        7        4        55.86        83
66        339        2        5        0        7        4        55.86        81
67        1209        2        5        0        7        4        52.71        75
68        1511        2        5        0        7        4        52.57        74
69        2783        2        5        0        7        4        52.29        71
70        1458        2        5        0        7        4        51.57        64
71        2004        2        5        0        7        4        51.29        95
72        1311        2        5        0        7        4        50.14        87
73        2067        2        5        0        7        4        48.71        65
74        2996        2        5        0        7        4        46.14        69
75        228        1        5        1        7        3        55.71        88
76        1714        1        6        0        7        2        64.43        87
77        1155        1        6        0        7        2        64.29        88
78        365        1        6        0        7        2        62.57        95
79        195        1        6        0        7        2        58.29        90
80        1547        1        6        0        7        2        54.57        72
81        177        1        6        0        7        2        54.43        63
82        1700        1        6        0        7        2        54.29        74
83        1086        1        6        0        7        2        52.43        66
84        1023        1        6        0        7        2        45.71        68
85        86        0        6        1        7        1        43.86        76
86        1557        0        7        0        7        0        59.14        75
87        2549        0        7        0        7        0        51.43        65
88        1098        0        7        0        7        0        50.86        63
If you don't like how your team did in the simulation, don't worry, OPR has only shown to be slightly better then flipping a coin this year.

IKE 17-04-2009 13:41
Re: Newton 09
 
Nice work Joe:

I am anxious to see a corelation study. As you said though, this year OPR seems to be less predictive.

Do you use a season average OPR or is it based off of last event?

Robotinquirer 17-04-2009 14:30
Re: Newton 09
 
Wow Newton is cool

How did team 33 Change from a spinner to a shooter. Theay went from a round robot too weaks ago at the Michigan event to a sq bot (did team 65 or team 68 provide the plans)?

IKE 17-04-2009 19:47
Re: Newton 09
 
Designs have been done for a long time. That is how 33 chose to try the 40 pound allowance.

There was actually a significant mod that occurred at State with the addition of a hood on the shooter.

The team then decided to try the other design that was actually inpsired by 67 (if you read all the 67 posts they did a shooter to power dumper swap just prior to their first competition).

I am not at Nationals and haven't actually seen it play. Hopefully it works out good.

Justin Montois 17-04-2009 20:29
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IKE (Post 851125)
Designs have been done for a long time. That is how 33 chose to try the 40 pound allowance.

There was actually a significant mod that occurred at State with the addition of a hood on the shooter.

The team then decided to try the other design that was actually inpsired by 67 (if you read all the 67 posts they did a shooter to power dumper swap just prior to their first competition).

I am not at Nationals and haven't actually seen it play. Hopefully it works out good.
You guys pulled it off nicely. We did something similar.... ;) It was awesome playing with you guys, good luck tomorrow.

IKE 17-04-2009 20:40
Re: Newton 09
 
Thanks. I will pass it on to the team. Hopefully they have exorcised the last EE gremlin. The jags have been intersting this year.

RoboMom 18-04-2009 11:46
Re: Newton 09
 
Go Maryland!

Athleticgirl389 18-04-2009 12:29
Re: Newton 09
 
Go Gearheads!!!

I am sad that I could not join my team in Atlanta but they are doing so well and I am so proud of them.

I wish the best of luck to ALL Newton teams - lets bring home the Championship!!!! :D

IKE 18-04-2009 12:33
Re: Newton 09
 
1-1625, 234,768
2-1918,85,135
3-2377,148,126
4-2771,365,1726
5-1507,121,177
6-2970,102,33
7-1629,469,368
8-1516,1867,88

A lot of Maryland and Michigan teams. I hope the finals are 1625, 234, 768 vs. 2970,102,33. There are a lot of strong alliances here. Is there a World Champion?

IKE 18-04-2009 13:56
Re: Newton 09
 
GO 2970,102,33!!!!!!!!

cygnus.x1 19-04-2009 01:13
Re: Newton 09
 
Correction to
8-1516,1867,88

it was team 1868 The Space Cookies picked by the 8th seed, not 1867.

Should read:

8-1516,1868,88

It was a great championship!

Chris is me 19-04-2009 10:14
Re: Newton 09
 
It was a little dissapointing that 1625 and 2970 didn't get to repeat their Wisconsin showdown in the Newton Finals elimination like I was hoping for.

Newton was a pretty fun and intense division. Congratulations to all of the teams and the 5th seeded alliance!

Buckles121 19-04-2009 21:21
Re: Newton 09
 
Good job everyone. A big special thanks to 1507 for picking us.

Mrpresident1776 20-04-2009 09:48
Re: Newton 09
 
First of all, a huge congratulations to teams 67, 111 and 971! Your strategy and robots were phenomenal. Say high to the President for me!

Additionally, congratulations to teams 1918, 85 and 135. You guys had us (or at least me anyway!) sweating bullets when you beat us after Final 1-2.

We would like to thank Team 121 "the Rhode Warriors" for an awesome run! You guys were a pleasure to hang out with and even more of a pleasure to win with.
And of course, congratulations to team 177 for making to Einstein for the fourth year in a row. Team 121 said you folks were the robot to pick and they were right! Your robot was truly a dark horse and a fantastic find for our alliance!

With any luck, we'll get to play with any one of these extraordinary teams next year!

This was my last but by far favorite year. With a regional and divisional win, it was an amazing capstone to my experience as a FIRST student.
I guess now I've got to mentor!

GODUX123 20-04-2009 10:36
Re: Newton 09
 
Thanks and great job to 135, and 1918!

flippy147852 20-04-2009 13:37
Re: Newton 09
 
wow...what great elims rounds! Thanx to teams 85 and 135 for helping us get this far!

Congrats to teams 121, 177, and 1507 for beating us in a 3 rounds in some of the closest finals rounds we have ever played in.

Also, congrats to teams 67, 217, 68, and 247 for showing that Michigan is the best place for robotics.

See you all next year!!

Tyler Hicks 20-04-2009 13:48
Re: Newton 09
 
I must say, that was the most successful year we have ever had. It was the most fun I have had in a long time. Congrats to ALL teams who made it to Nationals. Thanks 85 and 135 for being our partners!

I just wish I could have rode a Segway.......:yikes:

GO NC GEARS!!!!

1086VEX 20-04-2009 13:53
Re: Newton 09
 
WOW!! now that was a great competition!!! sadly we didnt make eliminations but we had a blast none the less!!
congrats to all of the tems that competed, the volenteers, and everyone else who made Newton such an awesome division!!!!! and an extra congrats goes out to 1507, 121, and 177 for representing Newton on Einstein!!

we hope to see alot of you in Atlanta next year!!

-Alex
Blue Cheese 1086

MOE 20-04-2009 16:30
Re: Newton 09
 
HELLOoooo from the North East :D
Newton what a great division !!!!!! :yikes:
Super competition from all 88 teams. We at TJ2 Team 88 would like to say congrats and a great job of repreaenting Newton on Einstein to teams 1507, 121 and 177. Also thanks to teams 1516 and 1868 for alowing use to play with you in the elimination rounds.:yikes: We hope to see you all next year!!!!
MOE and Team 88 TJ2 TYE DYE for ever oh yeah ???? OH YEAH !!!!;)

NEWTON

Bongle 20-04-2009 16:41
Re: Newton 09
 
In case anyone is curious (we sure were, we felt we did much better than at our previous regional), here are the OPRs for the performances teams did in newton. The standard OPR disclaimer applies: just a number (especially this year), not terribly accurate, but fun to look at.

Code:
1918    48.9288
2771    45.6609
1507    44.5978
234    42.9635
85      41.3884
33      40.7013
126    40.1302
1155    39.8166
2377    38.1413
1086    37.7034
1511    37.1195
1726    36.0172
768    35.6742
135    34.6467
177    34.3459
122    34.1423
340    34.035
612    33.9604
102    33.8511
1625    33.2204
16      32.321
2970    32.0896
1714    31.576
1868    30.6139
191    30.1221
2004    29.6322
233    29.2353
1657    29.2129
1732    28.7541
2702    28.4158
1569    28.2673
195    28.0045
687    27.9103
1730    27.8457
852    27.6929
1516    27.4484
121    27.1399
846    27.0072
2659    26.9733
1138    26.648
3075    26.5191
360    25.6731
2875    25.6534
88      24.7223
358    24.7088
292    24.5124
1701    22.8747
86      22.8704
1506    22.5639
148    21.2059
1038    20.9815
364    20.3312
842    20.2605
1311    20.2225
159    19.6509
368    19.514
365    19.3699
2609    19.2656
1629    18.6917
2344    17.7662
862    17.7235
469    17.3784
339    17.2813
578    17.2777
2890    17.2272
1547    17.0087
1811    16.9954
832    16.9312
980    16.7397
2866    16.5757
228    15.9236
1706    15.3856
2067    13.6026
2549    13.5246
529    13.4448
2283    13.0475
1023    11.8608
620    11.437
1458    11.255
2783    11.0754
1350    10.8233
1557    10.5516
1700    10.5381
2836    9.40386
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2996    0.930872
138    -5.51181

BPetry234 20-04-2009 17:22
Re: Newton 09
 
One last time for a senior...

Issac

TheOtherGuy 20-04-2009 18:11
Re: Newton 09
 
NEW·TON!

JHay 20-04-2009 18:11
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPetry234 (Post 852366)
Issac

NEWTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

Shelabot 20-04-2009 19:32
Re: Newton 09
 
WHEN I SAY GO YOU SAY NEWTON! GO! NEWTON! GO! NEWTON! GO! NEWTON!
I also have to agree with others from my team, it was an honor to play with all of you down in the wonderful city of Atlanta, despite us not being picked into the finals. This was my first year down there and I hope to see as many of you as possible again next year! GO BLUE CHEESE!

BradMello 20-04-2009 19:52
Re: Newton 09
 
We all had great fun playing with and against all of the teams on Newton this year, it was awesome! :]

Chris Fultz 20-04-2009 19:58
Re: Newton 09
 
Congratulations to 1507, 121 and 177 - well done!

233 Busman 20-04-2009 21:43
Re: Newton 09
 
Despite us not making eliminations, we still had lots of fun!

I always love coming to Atlanta, because there's always your old friends and new people to meet. (Although all our friends were in Curie) :(

Wayne TenBrink 20-04-2009 22:01
Re: Newton 09
 
Congratulations to 1507, 121, and 177. It was an honor to share the crater with you. The average alliance score for our three finals matches was nearly 100, and the final match came down to just three balls. When you win or lose a blowout, you tend to forget about it and just move on. When a match is really close, you either celebrate or agonize over every little thing that happened. You got the job done!

Thanks to Team 135. It was nice to meet you folks and share some good match time.

A special thanks to Team 85. You beat us at TC. We beat you at WMD and State. We finally got to stand on the same side of the glass at Newton! Thanks for all the scouting help and sound advise all season long. You are truly gracious professionals and we hope to see you one one side of the glass or the other for many years to come.

This has been a great year for the NC Gears. It's the first time we ever had any success on the field, and thats a great ride while it lasts. Maybe we'll go back to being cannon fodder next year (I hope not!). We got to meet a lot of wonderful people and made a lot of friends. FIRST is a great community and a wonderful experience for the the students. The robots are just the common thread that ties everything together and makes all the hard work, character development, and learning fun.

Thanks again to all the folks that made FIRST in Michigan happen. I believe it represents the best future for the rest of FIRST.

Heretic121 21-04-2009 01:17
Re: Newton 09
 
WOW... all i have to say is wow... those were by far in my 6 years in FIRST the best qualifying rounds at any regional or championship i have been a part of and there have been quite a few between spectating and participating... this division definitely was the deepest from top to bottom at nationals this year...

Secondly i would like to thank several people + teams... First off team 1507 the 5th seed in Newton for picking us to join their alliance... it was quite a coincidence that we happened to be sitting right next to each other on the side of the field as the selections were in progress and it couldn't have worked out perfectly... I am beyond happy that we could come to an agreement with your team due to our heavy feelings on picking team 177 as our last piece of the puzzle...

Next i would like to thank a few groups of people... first the drive teams of our alliance 1507, 121, and 177 for being great listeners, having great incite, and putting our plan to perfect execution each and every match... without you there would be no gold sitting around my neck still right now...

Second... the scouting team of 177... you guys were amazing... having data for every team and every match throughout qualifying and even more so in eliminations bringing down the sheets from each match knowing how we did, what we did wrong, what we did right, and what our opponents did... this brings me to my next thank you...

Jesse the lead strategist from team 177... you are the best person i have ever worked with for strategy in my many years in FIRST... you made my nationals that much better of an experience by definitely lowering my stress level if that was at all even physically possible throughout the semi-finals and finals of Newton...

Next i would like to thank our opponents throughout the eliminations of Newton, making us really work for our shot to play on Einstein... The 4th seeded alliance teams 2771, 365, and 1726.... The 1st seeded alliance teams 1625, 234, and 768... and of course finalists teams 1918, 85, and 135... thank you all for your very hard fought battles, you definitely made me + Jesse's life as strategists very very difficult and i wouldn't have wanted it any other way...

Second to last i would like to apologize to all of the Newton division for not being able to bring home the world championship to our field, but gave it our all out there representing our great division...

Last but not least... i would like to congratulate teams 111, 67, and 971 for giving us our first taste of what Einstein is all about and i could not be happier to lose to an amazing alliance than i ever have before... and congrats on winning it all i wouldn't have wished it to happen any other way... we now know what we have to do to step up our game and win it all and can't wait till we can play with or against you all next year down in ATL...

kulisb 22-04-2009 00:12
Re: Newton 09
 
It's been a few days since the Atlanta, and the excitement of the Championship event has yet to wear out! As I had hoped, Newton was an awesome division to be a part of, absolutely stacked with quality teams and robots.

I'd like to thank team 1507 for leading us to Einstein as alliance captain. As soon as you picked us, we knew we would go far together. In 9 years, this was my first time on Einstein. Thanks for putting together the right team to make that happen!

177, it was great to finally get to work together instead of against you. We seem to always be up against your great strategy and stifling defense, and it was a relief to be on your side this time around. Plus, it's always nice to win with good friends from the Northeast! Between your amazing drivers, human player, coach, and strategy team, you turned out to be a better teammate than we could ever have imagined.

Also, excellent job to the rest of our division on making up such a strong field. I have never been part of more exciting elimination matches. Those SF and Final matches against 1625, 234, 768, 1918, 85, and 135 that went to 3 matches were almost too nerve-wracking to watch!

Also, I want to give a quick shout out to teams 1155 and 16. You, as well as some others, stood out as dominant teams all weekend, and were certainly on the top of our list. We were absolutely shocked to see that you were not chosen as alliance partners. We saw what 1155 could do in CT, and we know that you would have been an incredible addition to any alliance. Your dominance throughout the competition was definitely noticed by some!

I, for one, am already looking forward to next year. Hopefully we see some of you at offseason competitions. To those we don't, congratulations on a successful season, and hopefully we will all meet up again!

Brad

Kit Gerhart 22-04-2009 08:29
Re: Newton 09
 
This was not one of our better years, competition-wise, and may have been the first time in the team's history that we were not in the elimination rounds. Still, we had a great time in Atlanta. The competition on Newton was intense, and the 1507-121-177 alliance represented us well on Einstein.

My most vivid memory of Team 121, Rhode Warriors is still from 1998, when they were runners-up to Team 45, TechnoKats, which I was with at the time. That was the last year without alliances, so being with the last "solo" winning team of the Championship is still one of the high points of my life.

Team 233 may be at IRI, but we don't yet know if we can work out the logistics. Also, our being invited is less certain than the last couple years. In any case, I, personally, will be at IRI, and hope to see some of you.

flippy147852 22-04-2009 10:10
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 852647)
Maybe we'll go back to being cannon fodder next year (I hope not!).


Wayne!!!! Don't Jynx us!!

MrForbes 22-04-2009 10:14
Re: Newton 09
 
I think you'll go on to great things, your team now understands what it takes to succeed

Chris is me 22-04-2009 11:40
Re: Newton 09
 
Twas a hell of a division and a great way to end the best season I've ever had in FIRST.

First of all I'd like to thank all of our alliance partners, in particular teams 2970, 1629, and 2836. We would not have won our respective qualifiers with your help. 1629's defensive offensive bot was really underrated and without their scoring we would have lost the match. 2970 was a massive scoring partner that rivaled 1625, and definitely tipped the match in our favor. 2836 is a defensive behemoth, I'll be looking toward your team in future seasons simply because you guys have very intelligent drivers who can do exactly what is needed. Also because you had the best pit display ever put up by a rookie. Robot on a spinning turntable? Awesome!

Okay, 2970, I just found it really awesome that this unheard-of team were the leaders of an alliance with legendary teams like 33 and 102. Please be at IRI.

Congratulations to the Newton Alliance! 121, 177, and 1507 was a great alliance in general and upset all the way down the line through smart play. Any alliance can win any match with the right strategy, and you guys definitely proved that.

Now if 2970 went with Code Red Robotics... the alliance selection would have been different. 8th seed would have likely been 1714 / 1726 / 16. How would this have worked ?

IKE 22-04-2009 15:28
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kit Gerhart (Post 853526)
This was not one of our better years, competition-wise, and may have been the first time in the team's history that we were not in the elimination rounds.
From the stats I have heard, it is true that this is the first time since the alliance years began. I would blame it on the lack of hot pink on the robot this year. More pinker is more betterer.:p (I think the lack of neon green on the thunderchickens actually helped them qualify higher and be a captain more often this year, but that is purely wild speculation).

DEAR GDC,

Please design next years game so that PINK can be PINK, and Thunderchickens can be Thunderchicken green. Also the BEES and Rush would like to place goldenrod yellow off of the list of targeted colors.

How about a Tie-die taret or one with flames. Both those teams are champions and Chairman winners. they can just coast for a year. :p

Tyler Hicks 23-04-2009 16:56
Re: Newton 09
 
It was a great year for the NC Gears!

ShotgunNinja 28-04-2009 18:26
Re: Newton 09
 
On behalf of Team 2970, my "other team", I'd like to say thank you to everyone else who competed on Newton. You gave us some great memories and fantastic matches. Though we didn't make it to Einstein, for a rookie team, we went incredibly far. So thanks again.

P.S.- Hope to see everyone next year when I start mentoring through Milwaukee School of Engineering's MFSO organization! See you at the U.S. Cellular Arena, all you Midwesterners!

ShotgunNinja 28-04-2009 18:34
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 853610)
First of all I'd like to thank all of our alliance partners, in particular teams 2970, 1629, and 2836. We would not have won our respective qualifiers with your help. 1629's defensive offensive bot was really underrated and without their scoring we would have lost the match. 2970 was a massive scoring partner that rivaled 1625, and definitely tipped the match in our favor. 2836 is a defensive behemoth, I'll be looking toward your team in future seasons simply because you guys have very intelligent drivers who can do exactly what is needed. Also because you had the best pit display ever put up by a rookie. Robot on a spinning turntable? Awesome!

Okay, 2970, I just found it really awesome that this unheard-of team were the leaders of an alliance with legendary teams like 33 and 102. Please be at IRI.

Congratulations to the Newton Alliance! 121, 177, and 1507 was a great alliance in general and upset all the way down the line through smart play. Any alliance can win any match with the right strategy, and you guys definitely proved that.

Now if 2970 went with Code Red Robotics... the alliance selection would have been different. 8th seed would have likely been 1714 / 1726 / 16. How would this have worked ?
From 2970: We are trying to go to IRI, along with 2970's "big brother" team, the Lakeview Legends "Robot Mafia", 1652.

Also: I, along with most of our team, agree with you on Code Red, and the fact was, we kinda skimped on scouting at the last second, hence almost being late for Alliance Selection, and somehow we didn't really have a second pick lined up. I believe that our alliance that we did pick was incredible as far as alliances go (and a big heads up to the Killer Bees, you were awesome, guys) and yes, it would have been very interesting to see how Code Red would have factored into our alliance.

And thanks to everyone else! :D

#2970-tim 29-04-2009 22:22
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunNinja (Post 855730)
From 2970: We are trying to go to IRI, along with 2970's "big brother" team, the Lakeview Legends "Robot Mafia", 1652.

Also: I, along with most of our team, agree with you on Code Red, and the fact was, we kinda skimped on scouting at the last second, hence almost being late for Alliance Selection, and somehow we didn't really have a second pick lined up. I believe that our alliance that we did pick was incredible as far as alliances go (and a big heads up to the Killer Bees, you were awesome, guys) and yes, it would have been very interesting to see how Code Red would have factored into our alliance.

And thanks to everyone else! :D
Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.

Aren_Hill 29-04-2009 22:45
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by #2970-tim (Post 856090)
Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.
And our names not Robot Mafia lol, i believe your saying 1652

ShotgunNinja 29-04-2009 22:47
Re: Newton 09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by #2970-tim (Post 856090)
Nick, Robot Mafia( 1625) is NOT our so called "big brother" team.
Of course not.

Robot Mafia (1652) is our Mentoring team. How could I forget. :rolleyes: Although there was a bit of coldness between the teams...


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