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Magnechu 11-04-2009 09:16
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Our robot:
Team RICE 870
Power Dumper, conveyor belt to hopper
Holds 12 balls comfortably, 16 or so max
Us and 102 were by far the best robots at Long Island, and we seeded 1 and 3 accordingly, losing in semi finals together to unfortunate circumstances

It's cool to see us (fairly) far up in that rankings sheet! It'd be awesome just to make eliminations.

prettycolors91 11-04-2009 10:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 848679)
Similar to what I did last year, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 102 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

When I went back and looked at last year's data, a team finished within 1 standard deviation of their average seed 60% of the time, and within 2 standard deviations 95% of the time. Only 3 teams seeded higher/lower then their min/max seed.

Code:
Team  Avg Seed        Median        Mode        StDev        Min        Max        #1 seed        Top 8
67        6.0        4        1        5.7        1        28        42        153
71        7.5        4        1        8.3        1        50        46        138
1195        13.6        11        5        10.9        1        63        11        83
971        14.0        11        2        12.2        1        63        8        82
40        14.8        12        4        11.6        1        52        8        75
716        15.7        13        13        12.4        1        68        10        64
1717        15.9        12.5        9        12.9        1        74        6        70
111        17.6        13        3        14.2        1        61        8        67
207        17.7        14.5        4        14.4        1        80        8        61
987        18.9        15        10        13.7        1        63        7        55
45        19.6        16        11        15.4        1        70        5        57
25        20.4        17        13        14.0        1        66        2        43
1923        21.4        19        4        15.0        1        63        6        52
179        21.8        19        18        15.1        1        78        2        42
704        21.9        19        15        14.6        1        75        3        36
870        22.9        18.5        8        16.1        1        77        3        39
744        23.2        19        16        15.8        1        76        4        41
151        25.7        23        32        16.2        1        85        1        28
1318        25.8        21.5        14        16.5        1        81        2        22
2741        25.8        22        17        16.5        1        73        4        28
1332        27.0        25        10        16.7        1        76        4        30
2348        27.6        27.5        16        16.5        2        76        0        27
1742        28.7        26.5        31        18.3        1        79        1        30
56        29.3        28        14        18.1        1        79        1        24
115        29.7        28        12        16.0        2        68        0        17
2775        31.1        29.5        29        16.1        2        76        0        15
20        31.5        30        44        18.4        1        84        2        23
1208        32.0        29.5        22        18.3        2        84        0        16
1250        32.7        31        26        19.7        1        80        1        22
1477        33.1        31        36        19.1        3        86        0        19
973        35.4        32        14        19.8        2        85        0        13
47        38.6        37        46        18.1        5        82        0        5
708        38.7        36        34        20.1        1        81        1        12
2844        39.1        38.5        39        18.4        3        80        0        9
1745        39.3        37        36        18.4        4        85        0        9
418        39.9        40        27        18.8        1        81        1        6
359        41.0        40.5        45        18.6        2        82        0        6
1941        41.9        40        24        19.8        4        85        0        6
435        42.2        41.5        52        18.9        2        82        0        9
2729        42.4        42.5        34        19.3        3        87        0        2
226        42.5        44        48        18.3        6        85        0        4
555        43.4        44        65        20.2        1        86        1        8
1261        46.1        46        68        19.9        7        85        0        1
2936        46.3        47.5        53        19.1        2        87        0        5
1902        46.6        46        34        19.7        3        87        0        4
2230        47.4        49.5        50        18.4        8        86        0        1
281        48.6        51        69        19.6        4        87        0        3
494        49.1        51.5        70        20.0        1        84        1        5
279        49.4        51        50        19.1        6        87        0        3
1872        49.5        52        57        19.0        6        87        0        3
2214        50.2        51        53        18.2        1        86        1        1
967        50.3        50.5        68        19.5        2        87        0        2
1124        51.2        52        57        17.7        3        86        0        4
1676        51.3        52.5        58        18.8        2        86        0        3
11        51.6        53.5        53        19.0        5        87        0        1
1540        53.0        54        43        17.9        4        87        0        3
65        53.0        55        54        18.3        6        86        0        3
168        53.8        55.5        52        19.6        6        87        0        1
3059        54.2        55        37        18.3        5        87        0        1
815        54.8        55        52        18.1        7        85        0        1
2638        55.9        56        54        19.3        6        87        0        1
303        56.0        57        57        18.0        8        86        0        2
1829        56.4        58        62        18.3        11        87        0        0
1551        56.6        59        69        17.4        8        87        0        1
932        57.5        59        72        18.3        11        87        0        0
1270        57.7        59        78        17.9        9        86        0        0
230        57.7        63        67        19.2        9        87        0        0
1662        59.1        62        73        18.3        7        87        0        1
461        60.0        64        78        19.1        8        87        0        1
2642        61.4        62        81        17.1        6        87        0        1
999        61.8        65        79        16.7        9        87        0        0
1646        62.3        66        66        17.3        11        87        0        0
1598        63.2        66.5        83        16.4        19        87        0        0
440        64.2        69        81        16.7        15        87        0        0
2910        65.0        71        82        16.7        19        86        0        0
1710        67.7        72        86        15.7        9        87        0        0
1601        69.5        73.5        81        14.8        12        87        0        0
1450        70.2        74        85        14.4        18        87        0        0
753        70.2        74        83        14.1        11        87        0        0
2579        70.6        75        81        14.8        12        87        0        0
2234        70.9        75        86        14.5        20        87        0        0
1772        71.9        75.5        85        13.8        11        87        0        0
1836        72.1        75        83        13.6        22        87        0        0
1058        72.5        76        84        13.6        10        87        0        0
1885        76.4        79        87        10.8        23        87        0        0
2550        77.8        82        87        10.4        40        87        0        0
203        80.2        84        87        8.2        44        87        0        0

I must say, I am not opposed to these predictions :p

jtdowney 11-04-2009 11:23
Re: Galileo 2009
 
To quote Han Solo in Empire Strikes Back: "Never tell me the odds!" But thanks Joe this is a very interesting analysis.

ttldomination 11-04-2009 12:46
Re: Galileo 2009
 
This year's game is even more prone to a mediocre average definitely creeping up there. And the problem with that is, that the mediocre team generally either
1. messes up the alliances that the other lower seeds might possibly because generally other seeded teams don't want to team up with this seed.
2. or picks a really strong team but the other alliances are stronger and they definitely don't make it to finals, which ultimately kinda dooms the other strong robot that had a chance.

I saw it happen at regionals,

but worlds is a class above regionals and I'm not sure if this is very likely at worlds. Teams bring their best and most times the good robots do end up on top.

smurfgirl 11-04-2009 13:12
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttldomination (Post 848978)
This year's game is even more prone to a mediocre average definitely creeping up there. And the problem with that is, that the mediocre team generally either
1. messes up the alliances that the other lower seeds might possibly because generally other seeded teams don't want to team up with this seed.
2. or picks a really strong team but the other alliances are stronger and they definitely don't make it to finals, which ultimately kinda dooms the other strong robot that had a chance.

I saw it happen at regionals,

but worlds is a class above regionals and I'm not sure if this is very likely at worlds. Teams bring their best and most times the good robots do end up on top.
I've seen this happen before at regionals and the Championship, but not very often. If they really lucked out by seeding where they did, usually their alliance does not go very far, because often the best they can have on their alliance is one good team total(their first pick), because by the time they go again on the serpentine all the other top-notch bots have already been selected. Here, while the division is deep enough that they could still have two good teams on their alliance, there is also the potential for there be some superalliances of three great robots. So again, it isn't that likely for one "lucky" team to have a huge net effect on the outcome of the field.

On another note, the Galileo thread has the most posts in it out of the four divisions- is this a sign that it will be the most spirited field at the Championship?

ErikEdhlund 11-04-2009 13:21
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Amen to that, now lets not forget about the ever so colorful WildStang. We still have a few tricks up our sleeves.

DonRotolo 11-04-2009 13:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 848679)
1676 51.3 52.5 58 18.8 2 86 0 3
(whew) at least we're unlikely to end up dead last, with our max at 86 out of 87.
Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfgirl (Post 848986)
is this a sign that it will be the most spirited field at the Championship?
Absolutely! EVERYone knows that Galileo is the best division, and that's why they put so many of the very best teams there. Just that, like Wayne said, there's gonna be a lot of blood from all the thrashing....

Sad to say, while 1676 will be there in force, I won't.:mad: Work beckons. Sorry to be missing it.

Don

ttldomination 11-04-2009 16:02
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Galileo is easily the best spirited. I wouldn't say that it's because we're talking the most here, I just believe that Galileo got the most avid Chief Delphi users. :D.

prettycolors91 11-04-2009 16:11
Re: Galileo 2009
 
For some strange reason, the HOT Team seems to have tapped into The Well of Ultimate Spirited-ness this year. My team-mates have amazed me this year (we're usually a pretty reserved group).

Can't wait to bring the noise!! :D

AlexD744 11-04-2009 16:15
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prettycolors91 (Post 849130)
For some strange reason, the HOT Team seems to have tapped into The Well of Ultimate Spirited-ness this year. My team-mates have amazed me this year (we're usually a pretty reserved group).

Can't wait to bring the noise!! :D
I guess the pride in the sucess of your team helps, but then again you're always successful. Or maybe the cheering brought success, that means in order to beat 67 you have to take down their cheering section (graciously of course), a whole new strategy of game play.

jholman 11-04-2009 16:39
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Well it's nice to to know that we'll probably finish around 79th. But hey there's a .5% chance at finishing at #11! Who knows though I've seen (and experiaced) wiered things at FIRST competitions.

Team 753 robot description:
Holds 5 balls comfortably and up to 7 total.
Consistaly collects balls.
Quick one ball dumper-cannon.
Good defense.

Good Luck everyone!

Nick Orlando 11-04-2009 17:58
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prettycolors91 (Post 849130)
For some strange reason, the HOT Team seems to have tapped into The Well of Ultimate Spirited-ness this year. My team-mates have amazed me this year (we're usually a pretty reserved group).

Can't wait to bring the noise!! :D
Yes I have to agree with Megan on this one. Our team has surprised me as well, normally our team is quite reserved because of all the amazing scouting our teams does. I think our repeated success this year has been a catalyst for such a change. I feel the great cheering has greatly impacted our drive team and kept morals up even when it seemed we would lose, which helped us turn around and win :D. We have some new cheers that have helped us compete with the great teams like rush(27), killer bees(33) and the thunderchickens(217). I hope we can keep it all up in Atlanta :D

Nuttyman54 11-04-2009 23:15
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Team 971 robot specs:

Wide 6wd, 1 CIM per side, traction control via follower wheels
Open hopper with ground collection, ~20 ball capacity
Dumper, 2 balls wide, fast and high accuracy

Video available here, high quality download here.

BandChick 12-04-2009 00:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
For anyone interested I posted some fun signature userbars over here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...348#post849348

Support Galileo, or, if you can't pick, there's even one for every division!

Spiffizzle 12-04-2009 00:45
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 848993)

Sad to say, while 1676 will be there in force, I won't.:mad: Work beckons. Sorry to be missing it.

Don
:( Don! I am so upset to hear you won't be in Atlanta!
Alas, the show must go on. You teams better not give any funny business on the field because Paul and I will be your scorekeepers for GALILEO and penalties give us more to do. :p Also, please check all connections on your robots!

Personally, I want to see good play and high energy! Clearly, GALILEO is the best field this year but I want everyone to know it! :D Can't wait to start!

Burmeister #279 12-04-2009 01:04
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Forgot the robot specs:

279
Powerful ground pickup conveyor
pneumatic elevator/hopper
~7 balls w/ 9 being dangerous
Close-up shooter

new and improved, dynamic autonomous with multiple directions/speeds
guarenteed to score within 10 seconds of teleoperated with 6/7 balls scored everytime.

I took a look at 971's video...wow. must find HOT's video/pics. [link?]

waialua359 12-04-2009 01:19
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I didnt even realize 971 was in this division.
The robot is awesome and will do some damage in this competition.
We had a good match together at SVR in a very heated match and look forward to teaming up again. :D

Nick Orlando 12-04-2009 01:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burmeister #279 (Post 849384)
I took a look at 971's video...wow. must find HOT's video/pics. [link?]
Videos are on youtube... search FRC67

JABot67 12-04-2009 01:33
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burmeister #279 (Post 849384)
must find HOT's video/pics. [link?]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Orlando (Post 849388)
Videos are on youtube... search FRC67
Pictures of our robot can be found here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/tags/frc67

Team 245's Michigan State Championship videos (http://www.adambots.com/wiki/2009_Mi..._Video_Archive) don't seem to be on TBA yet, but you can see us in Quarterfinals 1, Semifinals 1, and the Finals. If you try to watch the videos in the browser, they will take forever to buffer, so right click and Save As to download to your computer.

The camera at MSC sure liked to follow us a lot :D

Team 67 Robot Specs:

Floor Loaded with a wide collection swath
Can hold around 16 balls
Double-wide accurate powered "spitter"
Wide 6wd with traction control
We go for human floor loading in autonomous, but also have many other auton programs up our sleeve...

Burmeister #279 12-04-2009 12:33
Re: Galileo 2009
 
thanks for the link but i couldn't actually see which one was your robot in the matches. oh well.

Josh Murphy 12-04-2009 15:02
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burmeister #279 (Post 849496)
thanks for the link but i couldn't actually see which one was your robot in the matches. oh well.
Here is a picture, hope this helps out. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33435

Matt704 12-04-2009 20:50
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I wish NASA would archive the Lone Star Regional. Y'all should check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtp2s5F9uAc This was the Dallas regional we greatly improved our robot for the lone star regional.:)

Akash Rastogi 14-04-2009 00:51
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I'm excited as hell about this year for Atlanta. My dream alliance is 67, 71 (or 111) and us as a third partner.

GALI-!

smurfgirl 14-04-2009 01:21
Re: Galileo 2009
 
A lot of people want to be that third partner, I'm sure.
I'm really looking forward to the webcasts!

-LEO!

Nica F. 14-04-2009 13:20
Re: Galileo 2009
 
On the Galileo prediction;

Quote:
Originally Posted by Looking Forward (Post 849689)
Galileo is a feast of famine division, with a very loaded top tier, but the weakest bottom of the field as well. That will result in many top machines having a loss of two due to bad qualification pairings, as well as open the door for a chance at a new high score. Even more than any other division, Galileo will be won during alliance selections.
I actually have to agree with Looking Forward in a sense that pairings are going to be super crucial. I myself put together an excel sheet and noticed that ~25 teams have a higher match loss total than match win total and didn't make it into eliminations in at least one event.

But at the same time, I believe that Galileo won't be won during alliance selections and I won't be surprised if there are upsets in Eliminations. I think its going to be very very intense. I am predicting a lot of dark horses in our division and a lot of break ups in alliance pairing....

ATL in 2 days guys, GET EXCITED!

smurfgirl 14-04-2009 14:16
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nica F. (Post 850446)
But at the same time, I believe that Galileo won't be won during alliance selections and I won't be surprised if there are upsets in Eliminations. I think its going to be very very intense. I am predicting a lot of dark horses in our division and a lot of break ups in alliance pairing....
All I'm sure of is that everything on Galileo will be fun to watch, especially the eliminations!

Legator91 14-04-2009 15:53
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Its Going to be crazy in Galileo this year. I can't wait.

Leaving for Atlanta in 10 hours :)

goodsky 14-04-2009 20:06
Re: Galileo 2009
 
t - 12 hours and counting till bacon leaves from Florida!

I'm really excited! Anyway it goes this should be amazing! I can't wait to see everybody in just a day or so!

GALI-

Akash Rastogi 14-04-2009 20:12
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Leaving for the airport in 12 hours. =) Hope to see many of you at the Omni.:)

sundancekid92 14-04-2009 21:13
Re: Galileo 2009
 
HEy Team 11 Team 56 will be at the Omni as well. We'll be glad to see you guys .too bad we couldn't be an alliance in PHilly. Hope we can partner up in a match you guys have a great robot.


check 56 out at http://www.team56.com/gallery.html


LEO

Akash Rastogi 14-04-2009 21:24
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sundancekid92 (Post 850604)
HEy Team 11 Team 56 will be at the Omni as well. We'll be glad to see you guys .too bad we couldn't be an alliance in PHilly. Hope we can partner up in a match you guys have a great robot.


check 56 out at http://www.team56.com/gallery.html


LEO
Thanks a lot man! You guys will be tough competition in Galileo. Hopefully we can get an NJ alliance going this year haha. Us, 25 and 56 - what awesome pit neighbors! Cya Thursday. :D

smurfgirl 14-04-2009 21:40
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Akash- my team is staying in the omni as well. Maybe you can track one of them down to give you a long-overdue 1124 shirt. :) (If not I will find some other way to get you one, either an offseason or I will ship you one.)

DarkFlame145 14-04-2009 21:42
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Good luck to everyone!!!! Have fun and lets make this one of the most exciting Champs ever.

AlexD744 14-04-2009 23:05
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nica F. (Post 850446)
On the Galileo prediction;



I actually have to agree with Looking Forward in a sense that pairings are going to be super crucial. I myself put together an excel sheet and noticed that ~25 teams have a higher match loss total than match win total and didn't make it into eliminations in at least one event.

But at the same time, I believe that Galileo won't be won during alliance selections and I won't be surprised if there are upsets in Eliminations. I think its going to be very very intense. I am predicting a lot of dark horses in our division and a lot of break ups in alliance pairing....

ATL in 2 days guys, GET EXCITED!
I completely agree with this, in elimination pairing many teams that rank higher than 67 and 71 and even 111 will be looking to split them up in any way that they can. And no I don't think any of those three will rank first, I think the #1 seed could go to anyone who had a good line of matches, there will be a lot of qualifyers where teams that have been amazing lose due to a no show partner. And because of the upsets that will most likely happen, eliminations are going to be extremely close and almost anyones game. But then again 67, 71 or 111 could seed 1st and make a dream team alliance. But then again, there are so many other alliances that could be formed in this division that could eliminate 67/71 alliance, just look at 1114 and 71 at midwest. And this feild will be just about as deep in eliminations dues to the heavy top tier.

And 744 will begin flying in 20 hours, give or take.

BT987 14-04-2009 23:15
Re: Galileo 2009
 
987 is taking off from Las Vegas in 5 hours!!!!

see you guys there:)

dodar 14-04-2009 23:23
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Wow, leaving arouund 3:30 lol
how long is the flight?

Doug Leppard 15-04-2009 07:26
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Jon Catt made this great video of our team.

http://vimeo.com/4160588

Dan Richardson 15-04-2009 08:04
Re: Galileo 2009
 
GALI

Sorry I had too.. I can't wait to get there and cheer everyone on Saturday. I'm really looking forward to some tough competition and see what strategies win out on Saturday.

Good Luck Everyone! And Safe Journeys!

Greg Needel 15-04-2009 08:31
Re: Galileo 2009
 
LEO!!!!


We can't wait to see everyone. Good luck, and don't forget to stop by and say HI!

swamp_child 15-04-2009 09:00
Re: Galileo 2009
 
GALI-

Jetweb 15-04-2009 09:09
Re: Galileo 2009
 
LEO

I wish our team left earlier like everyone else. We dont leave until 8:30 tonight. :(

swamp_child 15-04-2009 09:18
Re: Galileo 2009
 
MADAM

JDeCola 15-04-2009 10:07
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerchapo12 (Post 847540)
first time there this is going to be lots of fun
team 1332 lets play
GO Swift!! :):)

Joe Ross 16-04-2009 20:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I used the average opr and the actual match schedules to predict each match and determine the seeding.

Code:
Match        Red 1        Red 2        Red 3        Blue 1        Blue 2        Blue 3        R Score        B Score
1        1195        2936        973        1710        207        1208        86        73
2        2579        1902        1261        2550        1941        971        45        65
3        203        1598        3059        230        1332        168        24        63
4        71        1477        56        281        999        1742        110        60
5        359        1745        870        2910        2642        179        82        57
6        987        11        716        1829        2234        1836        92        24
7        1270        1058        2775        461        1646        279        48        42
8        1662        753        2844        1318        1450        708        44        64
9        47        1250        1601        440        2348        2214        58        61
10        40        1551        111        2741        418        2638        93        69
11        67        1676        435        1124        932        1885        90        33
12        303        1717        226        1540        494        115        76        67
13        967        744        815        20        1772        2230        66        54
14        555        65        45        151        1923        25        74        101
15        2729        168        1195        704        2579        359        80        65
16        999        2910        1598        1662        207        2214        31        69
17        47        2638        2844        230        1745        56        61        68
18        279        281        973        2642        1551        1836        63        31
19        111        1208        1261        435        303        1270        87        50
20        418        2550        179        440        20        1318        59        72
21        555        3059        753        67        815        1829        45        79
22        1450        1601        704        226        65        1742        47        69
23        716        151        2775        1902        203        1676        99        36
24        25        461        1717        2230        2348        987        88        88
25        932        708        2936        1941        45        1772        58        64
26        2741        1124        1332        967        870        971        81        94
27        1710        40        744        1250        1646        1540        82        58
28        2729        1923        494        11        1477        1885        78        48
29        1058        115        815        2234        71        359        49        81
30        1208        704        2910        2550        2844        1551        73        36
31        56        179        2230        1601        2775        1261        86        55
32        1772        1676        987        1662        2642        230        59        40
33        2638        971        3059        2936        1836        151        72        57
34        1270        226        168        1941        999        1318        53        67
35        1332        1710        440        753        716        279        51        62
36        1058        1195        1717        870        1250        11        86        80
37        932        2741        1540        65        1477        47        62        69
38        494        435        1829        71        40        1902        56        111
39        2579        20        2234        1923        1742        1598        39        74
40        461        967        708        555        2214        2729        56        63
41        25        303        1745        1885        973        744        72        61
42        2348        1450        1646        45        67        111        50        125
43        115        203        207        1124        281        418        63        61
44        1540        279        971        1195        1318        815        78        88
45        2910        230        1477        1261        1250        1836        52        53
46        1676        1941        1598        1829        56        65        51        62
47        716        168        967        1601        1717        71        73        97
48        973        226        2844        2579        435        2214        71        46
49        555        1551        1742        11        303        2936        64        52
50        25        2729        179        1646        3059        1662        93        42
51        440        744        2234        111        2775        1124        48        86
52        753        281        1745        1208        2741        1058        49        64
53        870        2230        1923        203        932        2638        88        25
54        1710        1885        2642        2550        115        2348        23        61
55        67        1332        40        207        1772        704        122        76
56        151        359        418        708        1270        987        81        75
57        461        47        999        494        20        45        48        85
58        1450        1598        279        1902        25        967        34        73
59        1742        1646        230        435        2741        716        56        90
60        440        281        65        2936        870        2844        46        77
61        1836        2550        555        2230        1540        1676        26        56
62        226        71        971        1745        111        2729        115        85
63        1941        2214        753        203        1885        359        49        25
64        1124        1208        494        987        179        2638        66        85
65        2579        1477        1450        3059        1710        1058        39        30
66        1829        207        1250        2775        303        1923        78        78
67        168        2348        1772        2234        151        1261        54        57
68        999        708        67        115        1551        744        86        75
69        461        1318        1902        1601        2642        1332        66        50
70        11        704        815        47        973        418        68        74
71        20        1270        932        40        2910        1717        56        90
72        1662        56        967        45        1195        226        63        98
73        494        111        716        359        207        2550        96        61
74        2214        1208        870        25        1676        71        81        104
75        303        2234        999        971        1710        179        30        86
76        440        1551        435        168        461        1450        46        36
77        2642        151        1058        2729        47        1941        49        70
78        2230        230        1885        279        708        40        36        83
79        1646        115        2910        56        1772        1923        51        70
80        1332        932        1250        2844        815        1742        73        68
81        2741        45        1902        973        987        3059        87        78
82        2638        281        1540        1601        1829        2579        51        25
83        20        1662        65        67        11        203        59        66
84        2936        2775        1477        1717        418        753        77        71
85        1318        744        1261        1598        704        555        86        66
86        2348        1836        1124        1270        1195        1745        55        77
87        1208        971        2642        1646        2230        440        82        42
88        1742        25        111        2910        47        1710        104        43
89        207        1551        987        1540        56        1058        86        54
90        2729        65        2550        973        999        1332        40        69
91        1923        179        2214        815        168        2936        88        52
92        1601        279        1941        435        115        3059        47        68
93        11        281        151        932        967        230        69        45
94        45        71        1250        753        1124        1598        115        35
95        708        1717        1676        704        2234        1745        83        63
96        418        1836        1772        303        2844        1902        34        57
97        359        67        1261        2638        226        461        95        49
98        2348        2579        2741        494        2775        1318        68        82
99        1885        716        1195        555        1450        20        80        56
100        1829        1662        870        744        1477        1270        62        75
101        203        2550        56        40        1208        1601        29        74
Code:
Rank        Team        Wins        Losses        Ties        Matches        QP        RS        MP
1        1195        7        0        0        7        14        67.14        98
2        71        7        0        0        7        14        62.71        115
3        1318        7        0        0        7        14        59.71        88
4        67        7        0        0        7        14        55.29        125
5        40        7        0        0        7        14        54.29        122
6        25        6        0        1        7        13        60.43        104
7        1923        6        0        1        7        13        52.43        101
8        971        6        1        0        7        12        59.71        115
9        111        6        1        0        7        12        58        125
10        45        6        1        0        7        12        58        125
11        716        6        1        0        7        12        51        99
12        1717        5        1        1        7        11        71.14        97
13        2775        5        1        1        7        11        56.86        99
14        226        5        2        0        7        10        58.57        115
15        973        5        2        0        7        10        56.71        86
16        151        5        2        0        7        10        55.71        101
17        1477        5        2        0        7        10        55        110
18        2729        5        2        0        7        10        55        93
19        1261        5        2        0        7        10        53        95
20        179        5        2        0        7        10        51.57        93
21        2214        5        2        0        7        10        49.86        88
22        1902        5        2        0        7        10        47.57        111
23        1676        5        2        0        7        10        47.14        104
24        1941        5        2        0        7        10        46.86        70
25        987        4        2        1        7        9        60.71        92
26        870        4        3        0        7        8        61.71        94
27        1745        4        3        0        7        8        61.57        85
28        744        4        3        0        7        8        60.57        86
29        494        4        3        0        7        8        59.14        96
30        708        4        3        0        7        8        58.14        86
31        1332        4        3        0        7        8        55.71        122
32        1208        4        3        0        7        8        55.71        87
33        359        4        3        0        7        8        54.43        95
34        56        4        3        0        7        8        52.71        110
35        1742        4        3        0        7        8        52.14        104
36        1551        4        3        0        7        8        50.43        93
37        435        4        3        0        7        8        46.29        90
38        207        3        3        1        7        7        62        86
39        1250        3        3        1        7        7        61.29        115
40        303        3        3        1        7        7        53.14        78
41        2230        3        3        1        7        7        46.57        88
42        2741        3        4        0        7        6        66.14        90
43        815        3        4        0        7        6        59.14        88
44        2936        3        4        0        7        6        58.43        86
45        967        3        4        0        7        6        58        94
46        1270        3        4        0        7        6        56.14        77
47        47        3        4        0        7        6        55.57        74
48        65        3        4        0        7        6        54.14        74
49        11        3        4        0        7        6        53.71        92
50        115        3        4        0        7        6        53.29        75
51        1772        3        4        0        7        6        52.43        76
52        1058        3        4        0        7        6        50.43        86
53        2638        3        4        0        7        6        50.29        85
54        440        3        4        0        7        6        48.57        72
55        999        3        4        0        7        6        48.14        86
56        2844        3        4        0        7        6        47.86        77
57        279        3        4        0        7        6        45.57        83
58        281        3        4        0        7        6        45.29        69
59        2348        2        4        1        7        5        56.57        88
60        1829        2        4        1        7        5        48.71        79
61        418        2        5        0        7        4        62.43        81
62        555        2        5        0        7        4        53.57        74
63        20        2        5        0        7        4        53        85
64        1540        2        5        0        7        4        52.86        78
65        168        2        5        0        7        4        51        80
66        1601        2        5        0        7        4        47        97
67        2910        2        5        0        7        4        46.57        90
68        3059        2        5        0        7        4        46.14        78
69        753        2        5        0        7        4        45.71        71
70        230        2        5        0        7        4        44.86        68
71        1710        2        5        0        7        4        44        86
72        2234        2        5        0        7        4        43.86        81
73        1450        2        5        0        7        4        42.43        64
74        2550        2        5        0        7        4        40.43        65
75        203        2        5        0        7        4        37        66
76        461        1        5        1        7        3        52.71        88
77        704        1        6        0        7        2        60.14        76
78        1124        1        6        0        7        2        54.14        86
79        932        1        6        0        7        2        49.57        73
80        1662        1        6        0        7        2        48.71        69
81        2579        1        6        0        7        2        45.43        68
82        2642        1        6        0        7        2        41.71        82
83        1885        1        6        0        7        2        40.29        80
84        1598        1        6        0        7        2        40        74
85        1836        1        6        0        7        2        39.86        57
86        1646        0        7        0        7        0        48.71        58
If you don't like the way you seeded in the simulation, don't worry, OPR hasn't proven to be much more effective at predicting matches then flipping a coin.

Dan Richardson 16-04-2009 21:01
Re: Galileo 2009
 
wow, 7 undefeated teams ( 2 with ties ) that will be interesting.

Thanks for running this simulation Galileo will be fun, the match schedule will make it even more exciting!

DonRotolo 16-04-2009 21:46
Re: Galileo 2009
 
:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 850610)
Hopefully we can get an NJ alliance going this year haha. Us, 25 and 56 - what awesome pit neighbors!
<snif> I guess we just got too many numbers in our team number. :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 850968)
I used the average opr and the actual match schedules to predict each match and determine the seeding.
Very nice Joe, even if it's about as real as a wooden nickel, it is still COOL.

Sorry to be missing it, but will be consuming work's bandwidth tomorrow...

sundancekid92 16-04-2009 22:17
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Playing with any other Nj team would be awesome.Go galileo Go East. Go New Jersey.W00t


Gali-

DarkFlame145 17-04-2009 13:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Is it just me or is the music............. not very fitting? Too slow and mellow.

IKE 17-04-2009 13:36
Re: Galileo 2009
 
If Joe's predictions are accurate, the selection process for Galileo could be legendary....

ttldomination 17-04-2009 21:27
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Exploding bacon, we owe you one.

In match 2, we were with exploding bacon and against 971. Immediately two robotics, one on either alliance, had issues and would not work and were scored upon. Our robot scored on the disabled robot and then moved to push it out of the way so that we could pick up an emtpy cell.

1902 did an AMAZING job scrambling from 971 and even scored a few times, and then when we got free, we proceeded to help 1902 take down 971. 971 did catch up to us once but we escaped with minimal damage.

It was among the best match of the day for us.

nlknauss 17-04-2009 23:32
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Good luck during the last day tomorrow everyone! My students have really enjoyed working with and meeting all of you over the past two days. Saturday will definitely be an awesome day.

Bravo to all! Let us know if you need anything.

kirtar 18-04-2009 12:31
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Argh first alternate again. This is the same position we got put in at Buckeye.

Beth Sweet 18-04-2009 12:51
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirtar (Post 851198)
Argh first alternate again. This is the same position we got put in at Buckeye.
Well, the good thing is, HOT seems to have grabbed the first alternate at least once, I think twice this season! You might get to see some field time!

smurfgirl 18-04-2009 12:56
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Good luck to all alliances! Some of them look beastly... we'll be in for some exciting elims. (:

kirtar 18-04-2009 13:13
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth Sweet (Post 851203)
Well, the good thing is, HOT seems to have grabbed the first alternate at least once, I think twice this season! You might get to see some field time!
Maybe so but in this case Wildstang makes the final decision since they're the alliance captain.

Steven Sigley 18-04-2009 14:55
Re: Galileo 2009
 
1717 2775 870 vs. 111 67 971

Talk about some great finals......

sgreco 18-04-2009 18:38
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Congrats to teams 111, 67 and 971.

That was awesome, second straight Galileo victory.

Akash Rastogi 19-04-2009 00:34
Re: Galileo 2009
 
WildStang, HOT, and Spartan Robotics, congratulations on those insanely impressive matches both in Galileo and on Einstein. It is the first time I've seen the game played with such stacked alliances. Galileo was so packed with good teams that friggin 25 was second to last pick!! I mean, that never happens! 971 last pick??!!?!?! Crazy division.

We were honored to watch and cheer on our NJ friends 56, 25, and 1923. Just too bad we couldn't join you down on the field in eliminations:( , but we had a good 5-2-0 and had fun playing with the teams we look up to most. See you all next year.

Magnechu 19-04-2009 09:00
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Awesome, awesome time. We couldn't have picked better alliance partners than 1717 and 2775. We gave the dream team a definite run for their money. Don't know how many people saw it, but with a few seconds left in the 2nd match, our human player threw a Super Cell and rolled over at least 4 prongs before dropping out. That would have put us 1 point behind still, but it would have been really cool. :P

We did just as good, if not better, than the Newton and Curie Champions did vs them, and we are extremely proud of that. I feel that in any other division our alliance could have made it to Einstein, but so it goes!

Congratulations 111, 67, and 971!

Doug Leppard 19-04-2009 09:26
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Congratulations 111, 67, and 971!

The last 3 out of 4 years we have been beaten by the World Champs, so it was a privilege to once again loose to the champs, you are a great alliance.

Thank you 40 and 1332 for choosing us.

Kingofl337 19-04-2009 14:49
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Team 40 would like to thank 1902 for exceptional defense and 1332 for outstanding offense.

Congratulations 111, 67, and 971

Matt704 19-04-2009 15:28
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Great job to everyone involved and congratulations to 111, 67, and 971 y'all deserved the win(:

Wayne C. 19-04-2009 17:08
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Ditto to the below-

the #1 alliance WAS the one to beat- 111 and 67 especially really had the right design this year!! Congratulations.

Our team (25) fought hard and we had a great time competing. Galileo was really stacked and every round was a challenge- That's the way it should be.

Now consider this- suppose you played this game on carpet with LAST years track with everyone going counterclockwise at high speed. Hmmmm....

:cool: WC

nlknauss 19-04-2009 21:29
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Great job 111, 67 and 971. It was a lot of fun watching you on Einstein.

Kyle Love 19-04-2009 22:47
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I have a couple thoughts.

A huge congrats to 111, 67 and 971, you guys performed great all competition long and were truly the best alliance there.

Second, maybe not so cheerful comment.
For teams who competed on Galileo, did you notice that the blue alliance station seemed to lose communication throughout the weekend? At first I thought "oh we must have something loose", but after hearing of it happening to team after team, I raised an eyebrow. Did any of you also notice this?

ErikEdhlund 19-04-2009 23:12
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I just wanted to thank every team on behalf of WildStang for making this division as thrilling and intense as it was. I couldn't have been happier to have seen the teams I did and the opportunities we had to be with several great teams. I hope to see many of you guys in the future. Great Job everyone!

Libby K 19-04-2009 23:28
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Congrats to 67, 111, and 971. Y'all played really well.

708 & 45, you were great alliance partners. For a team that had never made elims before 2009, being selected at all three of our events this season was a dream come true. Thanks for being a part of that.

I miss the Championship already! :)

ezygmont708 20-04-2009 00:57
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 851796)
Congrats to 67, 111, and 971. Y'all played really well.

708 & 45, you were great alliance partners. For a team that had never made elims before 2009, being selected at all three of our events this season was a dream come true. Thanks for being a part of that.

I miss the Championship already! :)
Libby,

It was honor to compete with both 1923 and 45. You were both great teams, and unfortunately we couldn't take it any farther.

Thanks for the great alliance, and congrats to 11, 67, and 971!!!

Side Note:
As this was my first experience traveling to Atlanta, I am thoroughly enthusiastic for next year!!! 708 will be back!!!

Akash Rastogi 20-04-2009 02:12
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ezygmont708 (Post 851852)
Thanks for the great alliance, and congrats to 11, 67, and 971!!!
This just made me Lol. XD If we were that partner....I don't think that alliance would've made it past QFs lol.

anyone have close up pics of 973's Raptor, that thing was such a beast, I only got distanced fuzzy shots of it in action. Thanks.

Ryan Dognaux 20-04-2009 13:00
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I just wanted to say how amazingly competitive and just plain BEASTLY this division was. You know when you have teams like 179, 20, 11, 461, etc. being passed up in the draft that there are just so many quality teams to choose from. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Atlanta is an entirely different game. Everyone should be extremely proud to say they played in the division that won it all in 2009.

I think one of the highlights for us was going out and playing in qualification match 42 against 45, 67, and 111. Just being in that match made our day.

Thanks to all the teams we talked to and played with. If any of you who swung by our pit and saw our sweet t-shirts are interested in purchasing one, head on over to the PG Store at http://pg1646.spreadshirt.com

Again, thanks and congratulations to all the teams from Galileo.

Magnechu 20-04-2009 13:15
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Not sure if you guys realize how amazing Galileo was-both the GM Industrial Award AND the Motorola Quality Award were won by Galileo teams (67 and 1717 respectively) as well as the World Champions coming from Galileo. Amazing guys, simply amazing.

JaneYoung 20-04-2009 13:25
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I would like to extend a heartfelt congratulations to FRC Team 2775, lead through a terrific competition experience by Greg Needel. There are moments in our personal histories with FIRST that are stand-outs for us. Watching 2775 was a stand-out moment for me, knowing that so many teams have been inspired by these rookies and how some helped them along the road to Championship. Also knowing that there is great opportunity for growth and development of FIRST teams in Tennessee and the impact that this rookie team is having and will continue to have by inspiring the people they meet, encourage, and help in their region. It was really something special to be able to follow you guys through the season. Congratulations on a job well done. :)

I would also like to give a shout out to Gatorzilla out of Dickinson, Texas. You made us proud! I can't wait to see what you do next year. Seriously.

Rookies rocked this year in FRC. That's the truth.

Wayne C. 20-04-2009 13:32
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 852170)
I would like to extend a heartfelt congratulations to FRC Team 2775, lead through a terrific competition experience by Greg Needel. There are moments in our personal histories with FIRST that are stand-outs for us. Watching 2775 was a stand-out moment for me, knowing that so many teams have been inspired by these rookies and how some helped them along the road to Championship. Also knowing that there is great opportunity for growth and development of FIRST teams in Tennessee and the impact that this rookie team is having and will continue to have by inspiring the people they meet, encourage, and help in their region. It was really something special to be able to follow you guys through the season. Congratulations on a job well done. :)

I would also like to give a shout out to Gatorzilla out of Dickinson, Texas. You made us proud! I can't wait to see what you do next year. Seriously.

Rookies rocked this year in FRC. That's the truth.
I agree Jane- Greg kept telling me all weekend how he was reallty happy to play us in division. And he did- and kicked our butts!!!

well at least we were beaten by friends-- if your friends cant beat you then who should? (wait- that sounds wrong?)

They did great (but we'll get em next time ; ) )

WC :cool:

David Sherman 20-04-2009 15:15
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I must say that the finals on Galileo were amazing and the finals on Einstein were epic! I'd like to send a thank you to our fellow teams in Galileo, that was an amazing division to be a part of! Congrats to 111, 67, 971! Way to go 971 for representing the West Coast and even better representing California! Hope we get to see a lot of you at IRI.

Zyik 20-04-2009 15:26
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 851884)
anyone have close up pics of 973's Raptor, that thing was such a beast, I only got distanced fuzzy shots of it in action. Thanks.
There's some pictures of Raptor on CD. They aren't the most up to date though, as we changed things up a little and gave it a hopper. This made it even more dangerous to get cornered by.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33501
is one photo.

Akash Rastogi 20-04-2009 15:31
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Just want to apologize to the people who came by our pit asking for me, I didn't get a chance to see a lot of people who I had promised I'd say hello to (45, 27, 1511, and 766's students). Just hectic out there.

NRfromCA 20-04-2009 15:59
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnechu (Post 851395)
We did just as good, if not better, than the Newton and Curie Champions did vs them, and we are extremely proud of that. I feel that in any other division our alliance could have made it to Einstein, but so it goes!
It's true, though the scores were nearly identical--certainly not enough better to definitively claim "second best alliance" status.

1717, 870, 2775 lost by 30 and 16 in Galileo Finals.
217, 98, 247 lost by 32 and 17 in Einstein Finals.

Those were the best performances against the winning alliance. Props to 67, 111, 971 for a very sweet run to the Championship!

AlexD744 20-04-2009 16:08
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 851769)
I have a couple thoughts.

A huge congrats to 111, 67 and 971, you guys performed great all competition long and were truly the best alliance there.

Second, maybe not so cheerful comment.
For teams who competed on Galileo, did you notice that the blue alliance station seemed to lose communication throughout the weekend? At first I thought "oh we must have something loose", but after hearing of it happening to team after team, I raised an eyebrow. Did any of you also notice this?
If that was on the side closest to the tunnel then yes our robot, had a feild issue in our first qualifier. We had comms, we tested before and after and it worked fine. We concluded a feild issue, but o well, what happened happened.

Akash Rastogi 20-04-2009 16:18
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Haha, when I went over to Greg, 2775 seemed a bit upset about pairings during qualifications, but I think we all knew that they would be in eliminations on Saturday afternoon. ;) I still think team DeWALT is the most impressive rookie of the season. I take into account their partnership with their main sponsor instead of just pure robot accomplishments which by the way include St. Louis Finalists along with being Galileo division Finalists ;)

2775, your future is very bright, and I'm proud to have another yellow and black team in FIRST that can say that.

Kristian Calhoun 20-04-2009 17:30
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexD744 (Post 852301)
If that was on the side closest to the tunnel then yes our robot, had a feild issue in our first qualifier. We had comms, we tested before and after and it worked fine. We concluded a feild issue, but o well, what happened happened.
The red player station was closest to the tunnel.

We, 25, were on the blue alliance exactly three times, each at a different player station. We experienced no issues.

Ryan Dognaux 20-04-2009 17:54
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 851769)
Did any of you also notice this?
I'll echo Kyle's curiosity on this. Both 1646 & 461 had communication issues when we were in the Blue 1 player station spot. The robot would become unresponsive for about 10 seconds and then would become responsive again and act normally. This happened in our match against 25 and 179 at the start and end of the match seen here.

After checking the robot, everything was fine and we never had the problem again but I seemed to notice other times when it looked like the same thing was happening to other teams.

Wayne C. 20-04-2009 18:04
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 852395)
I'll echo Kyle's curiosity on this. Both 1646 & 461 had communication issues when we were in the Blue 1 player station spot. The robot would become unresponsive for about 10 seconds and then would become responsive again and act normally. This happened in our match against 25 and 179 at the start and end of the match seen here.

After checking the robot, everything was fine and we never had the problem again but I seemed to notice other times when it looked like the same thing was happening to other teams.
Looking at the video it almost looks like the contact jarred a connection somewhere. It eventually reset?

WC

The Cyborg 20-04-2009 20:03
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Congratulations to 111, 67, and 971 for being national champs. Your alliance was incredible to watch.

I also want to give my deepest thanks teams 71 and 987 for choosing us (65) as an alliance partner. Even though we didn't get very far, I felt that it was a high honor to work with the legendary Beast.

I did notice that there were lots of field issues on our division. I know of a couple of matches that had to be restarted, and there were sometimes long pauses between matches.

rspurlin 20-04-2009 22:49
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 851769)
I have a couple thoughts.

A huge congrats to 111, 67 and 971, you guys performed great all competition long and were truly the best alliance there.

Second, maybe not so cheerful comment.
For teams who competed on Galileo, did you notice that the blue alliance station seemed to lose communication throughout the weekend? At first I thought "oh we must have something loose", but after hearing of it happening to team after team, I raised an eyebrow. Did any of you also notice this?
First let me echo the congrats, not only to our division champions, shortly thereafter world champions, but to all the teams that competed on Galileo. It was an honor to work this field for the week.

Your scorekeeper team kept records of the match turns as well as records of which robots had issues. We did not see a pattern that followed one alliance station or either alliance. We did see that certain teams consistently had trouble with their robots, regardless of which alliance or station position they were assigned. This normally indicates the problem is on the robot side instead of the field side. I was watching the status displays most of the time and often knew there was a problem before the team did. In such instances we alerted the FTA and FTAA to try to see if they could identify and correct the problem. Most often the radio links would drop at the same time as a robot suffered a collision. I did notice that the robots having the most trouble syncing with the field tended to have the radio buried inside the robot. Metal can interfere with radio reception, as can large motors and their magnetic fields. We also had chat open to the NI booth and would alert them to check out robots we thought might need an experienced eye to find a subtle or hidden issue.

In 101 qualification matches we aborted two matches during play, one because an E-stop was hit when it should not have been. One other was replayed when multiple teams showed simultaneous communication issues during the match, leading us to believe that there could have been a field fault. There were many times when I'd see robots stop moving, yet status indicators would show no problems. Sometimes we could see parts of the robot moving (like an intake roller) but no drive capability. Draw your own conclusion as to where the problem resides. Perhaps that seems to some as if there were massive field problems, but having weathered many seasons at FIRST, it seemed everything ran pretty smoothly to me. Overall, we cycled qualification matches every 6 minutes and 16 seconds.

If someone has some evidence of a problem I missed, I'd sure like to pass it back up the chain to improve future competitions.

engunneer 21-04-2009 01:26
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zyik (Post 852278)
There's some pictures of Raptor on CD. They aren't the most up to date though, as we changed things up a little and gave it a hopper. This made it even more dangerous to get cornered by.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/33501
is one photo.
That photo doesn't show the damage to the right front vertical support that 973 sustained in elims. It was fun working with the raptor. We had a good shot at finals and didn't quite make it. Also thanks to 25 for rounding out alliance #2.

I haven't gone through them yet, but i may have some good photos of 973 and 25 to hand over. PM me an email address if you want Galileo elim pictures.

AdamHeard 21-04-2009 01:34
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 852770)
That photo doesn't show the damage to the right front vertical support that 973 sustained in elims. It was fun working with the raptor. We had a good shot at finals and didn't quite make it. Also thanks to 25 for rounding out alliance #2.

I haven't gone through them yet, but i may have some good photos of 973 and 25 to hand over. PM me an email address if you want Galileo elim pictures.
It also shows our pre-champ configuration.

The upper conveyor belts were removed, resulting in never storing balls in conveyor runs, and a dumping roller that was geared ridiculously fast.

I'll PM you an email, thanks for the pics.

And about that support, we were debating not even putting it in (we were sooooo close on weight).... but later decided to just to take the hit. Well, I can say we're glad we did.

fritzdejongh 21-04-2009 14:51
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rspurlin (Post 852695)

If someone has some evidence of a problem I missed, I'd sure like to pass it back up the chain to improve future competitions.
Our rookie team had a blast in the Galileo division. It was great to have them compete against Wildstang in their first qual match, get beaten, and then watch Wildstang and their alliance win the whole thing.

One disappointment was also for us when the robot didn't move at all in a match, even though it had communication with the field. It only happened once the whole season, and we couldn't find any problem with our robot afterward. I talked with 1646 (I think) and it happened to them twice and they couldn't find any cause either.

One of our coaches was talking with a veteran team who apparently knew about a bug where if you turn on the robot before the DS had booted that there's a race condition that can occasionally result in this symptom. If true, it might be what happened to us. Normally we turn on the DS first, but there was time pressure to get the bots going for that match, and someone might have turned the bot on early. It fits better than any other theory I have. It could also explain why the problem occurred more for some teams: They might just be in the habit of turning their robot on early.

I can't find any info or posts about this though. Does anyone know about it? Is it really a problem? Is there a source of info us rookies should learn about?

I know this isn't really a field issue, and the fields did work amazingly well. It would have been nice to know that we have to be careful about this problem, and for the field managers to know as well (if true), so that they don't urge the kids to turn their bots on without being sure the DS is on.

In any case, we'll have a more strict turn-on procedure next year!

Adam Freeman 21-04-2009 15:42
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I just wanted to say it was great competing in Galileo this year. 67 was happy to represent the division, and we are glad that that we were able to help bring the Championship back to Galileo for a second season.

Thank you to all the teams that we alligned with throught the weekend.

It was great to meet all the new people I talked to. Especially talking with Shawn from 25, Andy Baker, Adam from 973, and Amir from 1717.

1717: I really admired your robot and your team. I was watching you guys work on autonomous modes on the practice field and the intensity and urgency that was displayed was incredible. For such a great robot, you guys were hustling around like crazy. It put a smile on my face to see how hard you were working to continue to improve. It was great to discuss game strategy with you. I wish we had a chance to play with you in a match, just to see how it would have gone. Maybe next year......

To everyone on 111 thank you for picking us and allowing us to have some input on the alliance selection list and strategy. You guys have an amazing team. It was a pleasure to coach with Raul and work with one of the best in FIRST. Your robot is amazing and your game play strategy is incredible.

To 971, you have a great robot. It started out rough for you in your first match, but you kept competing and working hard and we definitely noticed. There was no way that I expected you to be there at the end of the draft. I also had you guys in my pre-championship top 5, and you proved that observation correct in the end. Great job!

I am not sure we have had as smooth of matches this season, as we did this weekend. That is a credit to the great teamwork that we experienced during all of our matches together.

Thank you all for a great weekend!

Adam

Mike Soukup 21-04-2009 18:50
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 853094)
To everyone on 111 thank you for picking us and allowing us to have some input on the alliance selection list and strategy. You guys have an amazing team. It was a pleasure to coach with Raul and work with one of the best in FIRST. Your robot is amazing and your game play strategy is incredible.
How could we not pick the most dominant team during the regional season? Your robot lived up to its expectations on Galileo, so it was an easy decision. I'm glad you and your scouting team gave us input on the alliance selection list, it helped a bunch to hear another team's opinions of who they thought was good and why. It was also a huge benefit to have to justify why we wanted team X over team Y, it really made us think. The give & take between the two teams to come up with the final list helped make it better.

Thelilpluck461 22-04-2009 21:45
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I'm glad that the world champs could come out of Galileo! Congrats to all teams it was a lot of fun.

AdamHeard 29-04-2009 03:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 851884)
This just made me Lol. XD If we were that partner....I don't think that alliance would've made it past QFs lol.

anyone have close up pics of 973's Raptor, that thing was such a beast, I only got distanced fuzzy shots of it in action. Thanks.
Pat Fairbank took a whole bunch of pics, and here's a decent one as we were configured at champs.

http://picasaweb.google.com/patfair/...34360290482482

waialua359 29-04-2009 05:56
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I agree with some of the last few posts that:
Something was up with driver station blue 1. Our robot kept losing communication on practice day both times we were in that position on the field, and then occasional resets.

And I was most impressed by 1717. Personally, I thought they had the best robot. Its ability to score was very consistent.
67 and/or 111 would have done equally well had 1717 been their alliance partner instead throughout the weekend. As a team started in 2006? they are a seasoned veteran presence.

delsaner 29-04-2009 09:22
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smurfgirl (Post 847830)
Do you have a suggestion as to which team it might be?

I'm kinda biased, but I'd really like to see 236 win... so I'm rooting for Curie.
Excellent Prediction.
:D

Nica F. 29-04-2009 10:05
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 855842)
As a team started in 2006? they are a seasoned veteran presence.
Just confirmed with the FIRST site, and they were started in 2006. I agree with you completely with them having that presence. Every year I was able to see their robot at the Los Angeles Regional I was never less than impressed.

In addition, it was really great to see so many teams from California perform so well. Usually many can only name 330, 254, 968 when asked to name "great" teams from CA when there is so much potential elsewhere as well. 971, 1717, 973, & 207 all put up a tough fight in eliminations, hats off to you.

smurfgirl 29-04-2009 10:28
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by delsaner (Post 855862)
Excellent Prediction.
:D
It was coming one of these days. (: I'm really happy for them!

Matt_Kaplan1902 29-04-2009 13:10
Re: Galileo 2009
 
I had a chance to talk with the coach of 1717 after the eliminations and he told me how his team every season is made up primarily of seniors, so every new school year he has an entirely new group of kids that are total rookies. That makes how competitive they have been every year even more impressive.

Magnechu 29-04-2009 13:21
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Yeah, since we allianced with them, we got the rundown (if I remember incorrectly LMK): Each year they take 32 kids from each grade level (32 freshmen, 32 sophomores, 32 juniors, 32 seniors) and only the 32 seniors attend the Championshp, with the others also attending the regionals. Because of this, their drivers every single year are "rookies" but I'm sure they practice quite a bit back home. ;)

waialua359 29-04-2009 14:20
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Yes,
after talking with Amir from 1717 and his students, I mentioned how they teamed up with our friends 368 in San Diego in 2007 to get to the finals.
The students had no idea what I was talking about, hence, they have new students every year.

andrewhsu 30-04-2009 03:03
Re: Galileo 2009
 
Thanks again for all the recognition. Our team really appreciates it, and is extremely proud about getting mentioned by all these great teams! Anyway, a short breakdown on how our team works-- we pretty much have a four year program, with the freshmen to junior classes learning some basic concepts (namely basic compsci, AP Physics, and some hands-on engineering stuff) and then we're pretty much "thrown in the [FIRST] fire" when it comes to senior year. The team usually just takes along a total of 10 or so juniors across two regionals to experience what it's like to be at one, leaving the majority pretty clueless when it comes down to it(including me this year!) It does make for a great year, though. :D
And sorry about not having a clue about past events! I wish we could have experienced some of the comps last year... But it definitely happened to us a couple times this year-- one of our favorite teams was extremely distressed when "our team acted like we had no idea who they were"... we didn't :P


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