Chief Delphi - Best 3rd Pick in Newton

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nahstobor

10-04-2009 14:25

Re: Best 3rd Pick in Newton

If for some odd reason 126 doesn't end up in that first group of 16, they are a STEAL for a 3rd pick.

The Lucas

10-04-2009 14:33

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Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 848609)

The more I look at the Newton team list, the more I realize how many amazing teams are in our division. I think it's unlikely that there will be any robots picked purely for their defense... there are too many good teams that can play defense and score a bunch of moonrocks. We're going to have to work really hard to make it into eliminations.

I don't expect any "purely defensive" bots in the finals of any division not just Newton (although in my opinion the field left for the last overall pick in Newton will be better than the other divisions).

I think a handful of defenders will be picked (or even seed) across all divisions. Their alliances might even win in the QF, but to make the Elite Eight & earn a medal it takes more than just defense, you need scoring contributions (at least initial 7) from every member. Thats my prediction and I'm sticking with it (note: replacement bots don't count, b/c you can't pick them)

Justin

10-04-2009 15:20

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Good Stuff All...I realized as JVN pointed out that I didn't necessarily mean a purely defensive robot. I guess I'll just be honest and say maybe I should have asked who is the most "Bacon like" team in Newton LOL. Anyone who's wondering what's up that question should check out the finals of the Connecticut regional on TBA.

I believe and I'm sure many will debate but I think if you can put together an alliance of three amazing offensive robots and one or two of them happen to be really good at defense then you are on your way. Let's face it no matter how much the instinct might be to pin as a way of eliminating a really dominant bot from the alliance you can't pin all three robots. Well I suppose you could and you'd have quite the interesting stalemate/Human Player match on your hands LOL.

Have fun stay safe in Hotlanta,

Justin

rick.oliver

10-04-2009 15:20

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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 848618)

We've thought about it, and after watching last year's championship matches again, we think team 148 would be a decent 2nd rounder.

Our plan is to hopefully grab 148 in the 2nd round

Obviously you are joking. I've only seen 148 on video and webcasts and I mean no disrespect to any of the other Newton teams; however, I will be very surprized if 148 is available in the 2nd round of picking.

Aren_Hill

10-04-2009 15:23

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Originally Posted by rick.oliver (Post 848648)

they slipped last year... why not this year? :p

JaneYoung

10-04-2009 15:27

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Originally Posted by rick.oliver (Post 848648)

148 is a well-respected and solid team with a solid machine. It is my opinion that because of that, they have a target on their back. A big one. Knowing them, they are working with their strategy and other options that will make them a force to be reckoned with. I have no doubt. At Lone Star, their pit never lacked for visitors asking questions and admiring their robot and their team, in general. It was very cool.

EricH

10-04-2009 15:28

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It depends on who gets overlooked in the first of the two rounds.

gorrilla

10-04-2009 15:29

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 848653)

It depends on who gets overlooked in the first of the two rounds.

theres always the 3 Florida teams:rolleyes:

Justin Montois

10-04-2009 15:29

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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 848649)

they slipped last year... why not this year? :p

HAHA. They are one of maybe 5 teams that I would pick first regardless of where they are ranked. :)

XaulZan11

10-04-2009 15:35

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I'm with JVN on this one; no purely defensive robot will be selected. I actually have a $5 bet with someone on my team that all teams selected withh have moonrock scoring ability. Alliance captians, don't let me down.

I think the ideal 3rd robot can score but also play very good defense. Hopefully they can score a couple while playing defense on the other alliance's best scorer. If the 3rd robot can cancel out the other alliance's top scorer, their alliance has a very good chance of advancing.

Alex Cormier

10-04-2009 15:37

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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 848658)

I see and agree to a point. I think that you will see two very powerful robots and a robot that is powerful end up on Einstein. The third robot would be a normal 1st pick in many regionals.

XaulZan11

10-04-2009 15:43

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Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 848659)

I see and agree to a point. I think that you will see two very powerful robots and a robot that is powerful end up on Einstein. The third robot would be a normal 1st pick in many regionals.

Yeah, I guess is should clearify myself. The third robot won't just be defensive robot that can score 5-7 moonrocks, but a team that is capible of scoring around 15 a match. Instead of having them score the 15 moonrocks, I would have that team play defense on the top scorer while scoring around 7. I wouldn't want to leave a team like 1625, 121 or 148 undefended for a considereable portion of a match.

MrForbes

10-04-2009 15:46

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I expect to see "dynamic strategy"....not one robot assigned to a mostly defensive role.

It's gonna be wild!

Chris is me

10-04-2009 15:50

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 848604)

I would bet most alliances will pick a scoring robot with some defensive abilities, rather than a pure defensive robot. But i guess we'll all see in about a week. Should be a fun championship, it always is.!!!

This is exactly what I'm trying to get our team to aim for in Newton. Our robot works defensively, we just haven't had the chance to show that off (broken drive code in Wisconsin, too busy scoring in Minnesota). For example, we've pinned Wave Robotics in a practice match before.

I'm hoping for our team that the RNG that determines alliance partners in qualifying matches pits us with teams like 148 and 1625 so that we can show off our defensive game a little and set up pins rather than just doing some scoring. Admittedly getting 20 balls in a match in Minnesota is a lot different than 20 balls in a match in Atlanta, and our scoring isn't going to be as effective there simply due to volume (and I probably owe the mentor that said it was going to come down to ball capacity $1 now).

Needless to say, I agree with your description of what a third pick will do. They will be able to score, and they will, but they are going to be the "expendable scorer"; often relegated to defensive play or emptycell conversion.

I wish 1986 was in our field as they would make a potentially game changing third pick with their 33 foot empty cell conversion throw.

Barry Bonzack

10-04-2009 16:02

Re: Best 3rd Pick in Newton

Newton
1. 1625, 234, 233
2. 148, 135, 1511
3. 126, 1155, 86
4. 365, 121, 1732
5. 1918, 469, 2970
6. 85, 1701, 1714
7. 1086, 88, 1726
8. 1038, 368, 832

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