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Joe Ross 11-04-2009 14:34

More then 7 matches?
 
Bill Miller had a new blog yesterday. http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2009...ing-ready.html

Quote:

With luck the number of FRC teams may work out perfectly this year. At the moment we have 348 teams registered to attend. That works out to 87 teams in each division and 29 complete alliances. There will be time for each team to play 7 qualifying rounds on Friday.
The current Agenda shows 440 minutes of matches on Friday, for an average turnaround of 4 minutes 19 seconds. (I'm sure the FTAs and Field Supervisors in the crowd are shuddering thinking about that number). Then there's time on Saturday for another match or two. The only way to realistically get 7 matches on Friday is to start matches when the pits open on friday and finish them at close, with no lunch break.

I can't imagine 7 matches on Friday actually happening, but that's what Bill said.

BandChick 11-04-2009 14:37

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
4 minute matches is...nuts.
In NJ, NYC, and Philly, 7 minute turnaround was scheduled.
We managed to get it just under 6 by Saturday in Philly, but WOW.

Well, good luck to the queuers, resetters, refs, and the rest of the field crew next weekend!

Greg Peshek 11-04-2009 14:40

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
I don't know if it's possible, but the intros for teams usually take about 1:15-1:30 - so theoretically if they cut down on saying the sponsors out load and just introduce the team numbers. They could probably cut it down to 30 seconds. Take that minute off your 6 minute time at Philly and you're down to 5 minutes, go really fast and they may make it to 4:19.

However, whether they will cut down the introductions is another matter. But that's really the only thing that it seems they could cut down.

Koko Ed 11-04-2009 14:42

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BandChick (Post 849044)
4 minute matches is...nuts.
In NJ, NYC, and Philly, 7 minute turnaround was scheduled.
We managed to get it just under 6 by Saturday in Philly, but WOW.

Well, good luck to the queuers, resetters, refs, and the rest of the field crew next weekend!

I've worked with many crews this year and if there is a bunch who can take the challenge on it's FIRST volunteers.
We'll see if they really mean to try this or if it's just a typo.

TKM.368 11-04-2009 14:43

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
Hm, since yesterday afternoon there are 349 teams listed.

I wonder if some team dropped out and wasn't removed from the list. Newton now has 88 and the other fields 87 with the addition of Team 687.

thefro526 11-04-2009 14:52

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I'd LOVE to see more than seven matches. I doubt it'll happen but I'm holding onto hope that it does.

I think they might shave some of the turn around time off by letting teams pre-load their robots while waiting in for the next match (I want to say they did this at MSC but I'm not sure).

GoSparx 11-04-2009 14:52

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
I think Bill may have meant 7 qualification matches TOTAL for Atlanta.
My $.02

David Brinza 11-04-2009 15:01

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
I'm pretty sure that Bill meant to say that there would be seven qualifying matches for each team on Friday and Saturday.

With 6 minute intervals between 102 matches (which gives each team 7 matches and just three surrogates), we're looking at bit over 10 hours of playing time for the qualification round. The agenda shows almost 10-1/2 hours for FRC qualifying matches on Friday/Saturday combined. Even with this schedule, there's little slack for field issues, referee discussions, etc.

I've seen matches turn around in just over five minutes, but that was on Saturday when the teams and field reset crew were very familiar with the drill. I don't see FIRST expecting to fit in an eight-match per team qualifying round (requiring 116 matches to be played). Banking on less than 5-1/2 minute intervals between matches just doesn't seem prudent.

Alan Anderson 11-04-2009 19:51

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 849043)
I can't imagine 7 matches on Friday actually happening, but that's what Bill said.

For quite a while now, Bill's Blog has had a reputation in my mind for saying things that don't quite make sense. Bill is certainly in a position of authority, but I don't treat his blog as being authoritatively correct.

jgannon 11-04-2009 20:33

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoSparx (Post 849057)
I think Bill may have meant 7 qualification matches TOTAL for Atlanta.

That's what we've been doing since at least 2004, and since I don't see any compelling reason to make things more hectic, I agree.

Also, David... seven qualification rounds on Friday would have to mean nine matches total, not eight. Only running one match per team on Saturday (14-15 total matches) would be almost as ridiculous as running seven per team (101-102 total) on Friday. :p

chessking132 11-04-2009 22:35

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I agree that it would be very hectic but I would enjoy the extra match time. But for only for and a half minutes of pit time i might just stay on the field if the robot does not need repairs.

ScottOliveira 11-04-2009 23:38

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
It's always nice to have more matches, but it would just be impractical given the scale of the event. They will have trouble finishing all the current matches on time, there is just no spare time. The referees, volunteers, and announcers will all be hard-pressed as it is to get everything done and keep the match turnaround going.

And with matches closer together there's just going to be no time to get any work done should something go wrong with the robot. Especially given the long walks to queues, everything will be beyond hectic as is (as it generally is at championships).

Don Wright 12-04-2009 07:58

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I don't see why it would be so hard to compress the schedule a little and give all the teams that are spending a lot of money more rounds in Atlanta...

Let's see...

Have inspections available Wed. night so that teams that can make it in early Wed and uncrate can get their robot inspected. Rely on trust that teams are not working on their robot other than just getting it inspected. I bet they could get half the robots inspected on Wed. (since all the robots have been thru inspections at least once, usually more already).

Thursday morning - practice - everyone is scheduled for one double round with a fill in line...

Thursday afternoon - 3 rounds per team
Friday morning - 3 rounds per team
Friday afternoon - 3 rounds per team
Saturday morning - 3 rounds per team

Pick elims...

Sure we might have to come a little earlier, and stay a little later... But this gives everyone 12 rounds... We all are paying a lot of money and time to come to this championship event and I think we all would be willing the extra "sacrifice"...

ScottOliveira 12-04-2009 09:33

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However, some teams may not be ready for inspection that early. Some may have had damage at the end of previous competitions, or may have improvements they want to make. This rushes them more, and makes it harder for good repairs or changes to be made. Rushed repairs are more likely to come undone and cause trouble in later matches. And taking away practice hurts teams that haven't been to as many regionals, by depriving them of extra actual practice driving time.

Of course it would be great to have more qualifying matches, but short of actually starting the competition on Wednesday, there is no simple way to get them.

Don Wright 12-04-2009 10:17

Re: More then 7 matches?
 
Yeah, I can see that. I mean we are never busy on Thursday and are usually just sitting around with nothing to do ;)

However, IMHO, this is the championship event. All robots need to be ready to go, or need to be able to be ready in that Thursday morning...

I saw what a Championship event could be like at the MSC. I am hoping that this is what the World Championship event is like in the future... And to make it event better, give all the qualifying teams more qualifying matches.

Just my opinion...


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