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Mr MOE

21-04-2009 15:52

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Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 853101)

Was it just me, or did it seem like Woodie and Dean's speeches contradicted each other? Woodie's theme was to keep FRC strong, keep the current teams from folding and to expand FTC if possible. His was very realistic and probably was the best speech I've heard from him in quite some time. It was quite a sobering speech that really made me think about FIRST's current position in this economy.

Then on Saturday, Dean came out and said that FIRST needs to expand faster than ever because it's the only way to truly fix our current situation.

I just thought that their messages should have aligned more and I think Dean's speech sort of took away from what Woodie said on Friday.

Ryan:

I agree that the main messages in the speeches were contradictory.

-j-

Alan Anderson

21-04-2009 15:56

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Originally Posted by sdcantrell56 (Post 853103)

I guess I am a little weary of expanding FIRST too rapidly. It is already increasingly difficult to raise money and find sponsors, and adding more and more teams per area will saturate the area and decrease the amount of funding per team.

On the other hand, reaching a "critical mass" of teams in an area can make it possible to adopt a FiM-style district system and decrease the amount of money necessary to run a team.

Cory	21-04-2009 16:45

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I could write 10 pages about all the things I didn't like about this year.

Reading this thread, I realized the biggest negative is all the people who are just a bunch of whiners.

AdamHeard

21-04-2009 16:51

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 853132)

I could write 10 pages about all the things I didn't like about this year.

Reading this thread, I realized the biggest negative is all the people who are just a bunch of whiners.

Oh Cory, stop whining....

But really, most of the actual issues with FIRST this year are being overlooked in this thread, and people are complaining about really stupid stuff. On top of that, complaining here will accomplish nothing, do you think the FIRST board of directors looks on CD for these threads?

MrForbes

21-04-2009 16:53

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You California guys are funny!

Aren_Hill

21-04-2009 17:34

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Originally Posted by craigcd (Post 853097)

FIRST should make gloves mandatory. This is a requirement that’s time is past due.
FIRST should make lifting handles mandatory on all robots. I saw several robots that were lifted at awkward and un-balanced locations.

My vote to those is NO and NO
bumpers were one of the last things done for "safety" and see what they've become?

Requiring gloves is completely unnecessary as is mandatory handles, if a team wants the convenience of handles leave them to build them in themselves. (233 did this year)

Gloves, if someone is personally worried about their hands let them get a pair of gloves, dont mandate that they use them.

I myself have never worn gloves at a robotics competition and also have never seen reason too

Herodotus

21-04-2009 17:44

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I've always been taught that using gloves is more dangerous around any kind of machinery. You put your hand near a spinning wheel and you'll probably hit it and scrape your finger or some other minimal damage. Do the same with a pair of gloves on and the glove could get sucked into whatever is spinning. You lose a sense of touch that could be the difference between cutting your finger and losing your finger.

Rick TYler

21-04-2009 18:05

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 853108)

On the other hand, reaching a "critical mass" of teams in an area can make it possible to adopt a FiM-style district system and decrease the amount of money necessary to run a team.

*cough* VRC * cough * FTC * cough *

David Brinza

21-04-2009 18:07

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Originally Posted by Carol (Post 852834)

I think it is interesting that this forum, Lessons Learned - Negative, now has 10 pages of posts whereas Lessons Learned - Positive has three pages. I challenge everyone who has posted here to go to the Postiive forum and post there as well.

(Including me)

"It's easier to criticize than to create!"

To be fair, a significant number of posts were responses to criticisms. I do agree with Cory, though: There's too much whining with not enough suggestions for improvements!

Rick TYler

21-04-2009 18:08

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 853137)

But really, most of the actual issues with FIRST this year are being overlooked in this thread

10-yard penalty for being incomplete. What ARE the actual issues?

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complaining here will accomplish nothing, do you think the FIRST board of directors looks on CD for these threads?

The Board may not, but FIRST staffers sure do -- at least some of the time.

johnr

21-04-2009 18:08

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It sounded like Woodie was getting us ready for some changes down the line.

Rick TYler

21-04-2009 18:18

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Originally Posted by johnr (Post 853195)

It sounded like Woodie was getting us ready for some changes down the line.

Go watch the season-introduction video for FTC. What Woodie said was really surprising. As a voice-over to a video of FRC teams working on their robots, Woodie says, "FIRST is a microcosm of a real engineering experience because it's a problem too big, in a time too short, with a budget too small, and, in fact, a team too large." The video ends Woodie's segment without a strong conclusion, but it sounded (to me anyway) like Woodie was gently criticizing the FRC model. What was missing was Woodie saying, "and because of this, FIRST is going to do <something>" Since this was a video promoting FTC, the conclusion hanging in air is "FTC addresses these concerns." Or not. I wish Woodie had finished the thought.

MrForbes

21-04-2009 18:22

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It sounds to me like a complete thought, as is.

Chris is me

21-04-2009 18:31

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Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 852074)

The season is only four and a half months long, but we work all year long. And a rookie team simply cannot compete in FRC if they don't form their team and do fundraising and whatnot well before January

Unless you're 2970.

Obviously it's not an ideal or even remotely sensible approach to running a team, but stranger things have happened. It's more important than ever now to fundraise early and often.

BurtGummer

21-04-2009 18:36

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 853220)

Well, I have nothing against 3091. But they did have FTC and FLL experience from what I have read. Summer camps or not, they have robotics experience. It might not be FRC experience, but FTC isn't something simple. In my opinion, if a team has experience in robotics, that needs to be put in consideration, or maybe a separate award.

Compare 3091 or 2753 with us, 3020. We have never touched a robot before this year. But from what I have read, both 3091 and 2753 have, and 2753 has been champions in FTC. Rookie to FRC yes, Rookie to robotics, not in the slightest.

I think FIRST needs to take a closer look at things like these.

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