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Smoores

11-05-2009 21:52

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Originally Posted by The Zevling (Post 858752)

Aren't the triangles your opponents are trying to score in on your side? I thought they were. If they are, than jamming footballs in them would give your opponents the football's points, not you.

I don't think that the footballs will fit in the triangles, and I don't think footballs count for any points if they are in a triangle.

Rick TYler

11-05-2009 22:04

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Originally Posted by Smoores (Post 858760)

I don't think that the footballs will fit in the triangles, and I don't think footballs count for any points if they are in a triangle.

Sure they will fit -- they just won't go all the way in very well. My reading of the rules is that the Goals are not in the Scoring Zones, therefore a medium ball in a goal will not count any points for anyone.

This should be a post in the Clean Sweep official Q&A, when they open it. :)

Chris is me

11-05-2009 22:15

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 858756)

With the right design, you don't need anything on the VEX treads to lift objects. Here's a picture and a description of VRC 418, showing off a tread design several of our robots used this year in Elevation: http://www.vexforum.com/gallery/show...hp?i=3366&c=26. Make sure you scroll down for the description.

The reason for flippers would be to grab under the small balls, as they are narrower than the footballs they would be narrower than the tread-hopper is designed for. They would ideally not obstruct the footballs.

I don't think zipties are rigid enough, though. Maybe little strips of vex metal would work, that are 5 inches apart, so footballs can go between them, and then 2 inches long or so, in order to carry up small balls.

Rick TYler

11-05-2009 22:47

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 858766)

You can still do this with sliding rails and tank tracks without wire ties or metal bits. Did you take a look at the picture? If that center rail sat down a couple of inches it would work fine.

Chris is me

11-05-2009 23:01

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 858772)

You can still do this with sliding rails and tank tracks without wire ties or metal bits. Did you take a look at the picture? If that center rail sat down a couple of inches it would work fine.

Ah, I guess I missed the link... in the quote I directly quoted :( Not my brightest moment.

I could see that very easily being adapted to this year's design and my magic little 1625 ripoff. Thanks!

Aren_Hill

12-05-2009 23:27

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 858776)

Ah, I guess I missed the link... in the quote I directly quoted :( Not my brightest moment.

I could see that very easily being adapted to this year's design and my magic little 1625 ripoff. Thanks!

knew we shoulda patented it....:D

Rick TYler

13-05-2009 01:26

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Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 859055)

knew we shoulda patented it....:D

Yeah -- prior art. One of our FVC robots in 2006-7 had pretty much the same design for softballs. You FRC teams are always copying us.

SCROSSLEY-GCEC

13-05-2009 02:56

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Originally Posted by phr34kR (Post 858532)

Just to clear things up i only disliked the chain in the way she was using it:o

Yeah well I seem to remember someone chain robot beating someone elses robot :P

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Originally Posted by phr34kR (Post 858532)

we completely redesigned and rebuilt our robot in the week and a half before we flew to Dallas, luckily it worked out for us and we made the semi finals at worlds :D

Well yes but I was complaining about the improvements which don't work XD

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Originally Posted by Smoores (Post 858690)

what if you dropped a football in an opponent's triangle? that would block it, and that would be a score for you. Is that legal?

i don't think it counts as points but it would be genius to block your own that way as a defensive bot

The Zevling

13-05-2009 09:49

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 858764)

The goals aren't in the scoring zones?

Can someone confirm this? it could be important.

Rick TYler

13-05-2009 10:06

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Originally Posted by The Zevling (Post 859128)

The goals aren't in the scoring zones?

Can someone confirm this? it could be important.

I can confirm what the Game Manual says:

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Scoring Zone – One of two (2) rectangular areas, one (1) for each alliance, in which teams can score small, medium, or large balls. Scoring zones are defined by the inner edges of the playing field walls, the edges of the center wall and the outer edges of the goals. Each alliance scoring zone is across the center wall from their alliance station.
Note: The center wall and goals are not part of either scoring zone.

What I would like to confirm is that this means, "a medium ball in a goal doesn't score anything." When you look at the definition of "scored" and then at "scoring zone" it looks like it might not.

Andrew Bates

13-05-2009 13:51

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 859135)

I can confirm what the Game Manual says:

What I would like to confirm is that this means, "a medium ball in a goal doesn't score anything." When you look at the definition of "scored" and then at "scoring zone" it looks like it might not.

However what if the medium ball is not completely inside the triangle. In previous VEX games objects are usually counted as scored if any part of the object is within the scoring zone. So although the ball may be placed there with intent to block the goal if it isn't completely within the triangle it may still count. Alas though this will be a question for the GDC.

Chris is me

13-05-2009 14:35

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Originally Posted by corpralchee (Post 859174)

However what if the medium ball is no completely inside the triangle. In previous VEX games objects are usually counted as scored if any part of the object is within the scoring zone.

His point is that medium balls only score in the plane of the scoring zone, and a medium ball wedged vertically into a high goal would not even be hovering over any part of said scoring zone.

Vex Q&A time!

The Zevling

13-05-2009 19:40

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Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 859135)

Thank you very much.

Is it just me, or is there no autonomous or driver challenge this year?

ttldomination

13-05-2009 20:11

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I'm sure they'll be established later on.

gblake

13-05-2009 21:26

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 859188)

The scoring zone extends infinitely upwards from the floor tiles to the sky, so I don't think you are correct you are right when you say "medium balls only score in the plane of the scoring zone".

It might still turn out that a football stuffed into the goal on your side of the field doesn't add points to your opponents score (I'm betting that it doesn't); but it would not be because of the altitude of the football (sitting at the top of the triangular goal).

Blake

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