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Bertman 02-06-2009 16:05

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Personally, IF (and I emphasize if) the build time is reduced to 5 weeks I would like to know with enough lead time to decide weather or not I would pay the entry fee or have an option to opt out if it is later.
The six week build time puts a large strain on my students to build the robot and keep up grades (no pass - no play). I fear that a shorter build time might encourage them to put their attention on activities that would seriously jeopardize their studies.

At this point though, it is all conjecture and we will need to wait for official word if and when there will be a change.

Cory 02-06-2009 16:30

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Not happening. I wouldn't even entertain the thought of it.

It's been 6 weeks forever. Not gonna change now.

Andrew Schreiber 02-06-2009 16:51

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 862141)
Not happening. I wouldn't even entertain the thought of it.

It's been 6 weeks forever. Not gonna change now.

How long was the playing field carpet? Not saying it is going to happen but FIRST doesn't seem to care if things have been like that FOREVER, it can change, very few things are sacred, Build season could be eliminated all together next year in favor of a build until you compete system. We don't know. I would just appreciate that if something major like that changes FIRST give us a heads up so we can get some sort of plan in place.

Jon Jack 02-06-2009 17:15

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Just because kick-off is being moved back a week doesn't mean we're losing a week. The whole season is being shift back. Kick-off is a week later, ship day is a week later. There is nothing to worry about.

Ian Curtis 02-06-2009 17:40

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Jack (Post 862153)
Just because kick-off is being moved back a week doesn't mean we're losing a week. The whole season is being shift back. Kick-off is a week later, ship day is a week later. There is nothing to worry about.

Exactly! You have to remember, FIRST has been around for about twenty years. Since days shift every year, this has to have happened before. As a matter of fact, it has, most recently in 2004. So Kickoff has moved up a day every year since 2004, and this year it will be taking one giant leap back. Only to gradually advance for about the next seven years and leap back again. We definitely got a 6 week build period in 2004.

The best/worst part is, you could potentially get all of February break for robot building/testing and ship the following Tuesday! Of course, your technical mentors will be working for the most part (unless they get federal holidays off), but teachers/self employed mentors might be willing to lend a hand. The bad part is, you may find yourself locked out of your workshop for a week (if your school shuts down for the week), which would be a very bad thing indeed.

Kyle Love 02-06-2009 17:59

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Wait until the regional dates come out. That will be a good thing to judge if there will be a change to the build season length. I would not foresee any change to the build length.

Molten 02-06-2009 19:16

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
If we only get 5/6 the time, do we only get 5/6 the bill? I'm just thinking if I get one less week of fun, I want a discount.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cory (Post 862141)
It's been 6 weeks forever. Not gonna change now.

Now I kind of hope they make it 5 weeks and 6 days or 6 weeks and 1 day. Remember, it doesn't have to be a big change to be a change.

Elgin Clock 02-06-2009 23:07

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Jack (Post 862153)
Just because kick-off is being moved back a week doesn't mean we're losing a week. The whole season is being shift back. Kick-off is a week later, ship day is a week later. There is nothing to worry about.

<gives thumbs up!>

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Love (Post 862158)
Wait until the regional dates come out. That will be a good thing to judge if there will be a change to the build season length. I would not foresee any change to the build length.

<gives thumbs up!>

I predict these are the most accurate posts here.

And I'll add, that if anything were to shift, I predict the break between the end of build & start of regional events would be shortened to fit the "ideal" situation you speak of with the start of build being "pushed back" in 2010.

smurfgirl 02-06-2009 23:18

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Somehow, I don't think that we're only going to have a five week build season next year. Like Elgin said, the timing for the rest of the season will most likely be adapted to fit with the slightly later Kickoff. And if it is shorter for some reason... that's just one more challenge everyone will adapt to!

Raumiester2010 03-06-2009 00:35

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 862146)
How long was the playing field carpet? Not saying it is going to happen but FIRST doesn't seem to care if things have been like that FOREVER, it can change, very few things are sacred, Build season could be eliminated all together next year in favor of a build until you compete system. We don't know. I would just appreciate that if something major like that changes FIRST give us a heads up so we can get some sort of plan in place.

*shudder* don't remind me of OCCRA, i love FIRST because it is so much more professional than OCCRA, if we make FIRST like OCCRA it would also lead to (baseless opinion) even more supercharged teams that it takes 3 robots tag-teaming them to stop...

Also, removing the Time Constraint makes it less challenging. you don't learn the time planning skills you do with our limited time.

Greg Needel 03-06-2009 09:46

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
I would be fine with 5 weeks, Bring it on! I look at it as more of a challenge and it would it makes people push themselves even more.


I suspect that the change would not be as drastic as people think. It would just be a call to work more efficiently. Seriously folks I would bet that most teams have at least 3-4 "wasted" meetings where nothing gets done. Give us 5 weeks and we don't have that luxury. I fully support the change, bring it on!

The 40lb allowance makes this even easier as you can keep working on 1/3 of your robot until the event.

Tetraman 03-06-2009 09:59

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
I think a 5 week period would be a challenge for sure and I would think it would be a fun challenge given the game we have to build for is easy and simple enough to counteract the one less week.

But the game is never easy, never simple...and I'm quite sure in retrospect it wouldn't be fun.

What would be fun is giving us an extra week and ask to build two robots.

Elgin Clock 03-06-2009 10:21

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 862226)
I suspect that the change would not be as drastic as people think. It would just be a call to work more efficiently. Seriously folks I would bet that most teams have at least 3-4 "wasted" meetings where nothing gets done. Give us 5 weeks and we don't have that luxury. I fully support the change, bring it on!

Snow days would suck even more.
I recall previous years where we've missed at least a week or more of meetings around the middle of build without access to the shop (really busy would-be productive times).

I can't imagine having that happen & be cut from 6 weeks (current time) to 5 in past years because of that, and now to 4 if that were to happen during a 5-week schedule. :ahh:

GeorgeTheEng 03-06-2009 11:20

Re: Five weeks instead of six??
 
I'll admit that I heard this rumor as well. The source explained it was due to kickoff being delayed AND some week regionals having dates already contracted. Since then I've heard from the same source that the shorter schedule is no longer going to happen.

I agree with those here that have already stated, wait for the official calendar. No use worrying about it until then.

JaneYoung 03-06-2009 11:40

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I've determined that the only thing rumors are good for is putting your knickers in a twist.


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