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Mark Rozitis 13-07-2009 18:05

loose express card
 
This might be a dumb question but on both my old and new laptop the express card mounts so loose that it practically falls out!, Is there some adapter or something I am missing here, the slot is way to big.

I have to do live video streaming now for the TV station and I like to use the express card so I can use the larger 6 pin firewire cable as to not wear out the small jack on the laptop as in news we are rather rough with the equipment and it gets alot of use.

thanks
mark

RyanCahoon 13-07-2009 20:43

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 866560)
This might be a dumb question but on both my old and new laptop the express card mounts so loose that it practically falls out!, Is there some adapter or something I am missing here, the slot is way to big.

As noted in the Wikipedia article on ExpressCard, there are several different form factors included in the specification. Most laptops I've run across have ExpressCard/54-capable slots, and so if your adapter card is of the smaller, ExpressCard/34, size, the slot will indeed appear to be too large. This wasn't too much of a problem for me when I had to use an add-on wireless card on my old laptop, but for your application where you have external cables attached it might be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 866560)
I have to do live video streaming now for the TV station and I like to use the express card so I can use the larger 6 pin firewire cable as to not wear out the small jack on the laptop as in news we are rather rough with the equipment and it gets alot of use.

I'd suggest trying to implement some cable strain relief system to take the strain off the adapter itself, but overall it sounds like you're dealing with much heavier usage than either the card or the slot is designed for. You may want to investigate something more like a docking station that might have a greater focus on durability instead of trying to get everything squeezed into the small form factor of a mobile add-on card.

A couple options:
  • If your laptop manufacturer makes a proprietary docking station that includes Firewire, that would probably be the best.
  • If that is not available, maybe try using a Firewire hub with the laptop's built-in port, that may be enough to alleviate some of the stress.
  • This product claims to allow DV capture over USB, if that fits your needs
  • Don't be so rough on your equipment!

Good luck,
--Ryan

Mark Rozitis 13-07-2009 21:28

Re: loose express card
 
Thank you very much! two very useful links, this is the adapter I need and now I have to find one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca...rd_Adapter.jpg

I have been using heavy tape as a strain relief for now but it's kinda annoying that the card wants to come out that easy.

I just don't want to use the small 4 pin jack on the laptop as I'm sure I will wear it out with all the fast connecting and disconnecting, when we go live via the net it's always a rapid deployment. I am trying to build a complete kit in a Pelican 1610 case with everything inside including power connections and everything.

My laptop (newer)for using wirecast for live streaming news video on the road is my Asus G50v and with 2.53G processor it's the video is still not always smooth and maxes out at 100% sometimes, works perfectly everytime when we are testing it with engineering just not when we are playing for real at an event.

my Older Asus F3 series is my desktop right now as I don't think it can run this Wirecast program, it's high end near broadcast quality video streaming but wow does it use resources.

mark
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 866578)
As noted in the Wikipedia article on ExpressCard, there are several different form factors included in the specification. Most laptops I've run across have ExpressCard/54-capable slots, and so if your adapter card is of the smaller, ExpressCard/34, size, the slot will indeed appear to be too large. This wasn't too much of a problem for me when I had to use an add-on wireless card on my old laptop, but for your application where you have external cables attached it might be.



I'd suggest trying to implement some cable strain relief system to take the strain off the adapter itself, but overall it sounds like you're dealing with much heavier usage than either the card or the slot is designed for. You may want to investigate something more like a docking station that might have a greater focus on durability instead of trying to get everything squeezed into the small form factor of a mobile add-on card.

A couple options:
  • If your laptop manufacturer makes a proprietary docking station that includes Firewire, that would probably be the best.
  • If that is not available, maybe try using a Firewire hub with the laptop's built-in port, that may be enough to alleviate some of the stress.
  • This product claims to allow DV capture over USB, if that fits your needs
  • Don't be so rough on your equipment!

Good luck,
--Ryan


RyanCahoon 14-07-2009 00:59

Re: loose express card
 
Addonics seems to be selling it. I've had good experiences with their stuff.

I don't see how this is going to solve your problem, however. It still uses the same ExpressCard/34 form factor, and it seems like it would carry the same problems.

--Ryan

Mark Rozitis 14-07-2009 07:00

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 866623)
Addonics seems to be selling it. I've had good experiences with their stuff.

I don't see how this is going to solve your problem, however. It still uses the same ExpressCard/34 form factor, and it seems like it would carry the same problems.

--Ryan

I see that now, I guess what I need is a spacer of some sort that fills all that empty space in that slot that is not used by the small express card so it has no place to go, at least not sideways and at the end of the day if I can't find one then I may just have to make a more solid and permanent strain relief for the cables as I build this kit in the Pelican 1610 case, that's probably the safest way anyways as that way accidents can't happen.


Thanks for that link, I'll look around their site.

mark

m

Al Skierkiewicz 14-07-2009 08:14

Re: loose express card
 
Mark,
It would seem from first glance that strain relief tied to the underside of the laptop would be the way to go. Replaceable cable tie wrapped to the underside of the laptop would keep things neat while in the case and easy to replace when the cable has been overstressed. The cable will then also keep the card in place. You might even be able to add a loop in the cable then tie wrap to the extender/adapter and then to the bottom of the laptop to lock everything together. I am always one for having spares so if you are going to keep the laptop I would look into having a spare card slot (they usually just plug into the board inside the case), a spare cable and spare card adapter. If the laptop needs to sit on a flat surface, add a few stick on feet. You can get a variety from any hardware store.

Mark Rozitis 14-07-2009 15:16

Re: loose express card
 
That might be the route I end up going, some form of strain relief for the cable, probably the best way to go anyways in case of accident such as me tripping over the cable or something. I was surprised as how loose fitting the express card is though, it barely holds and that's on both machines and trying different cards so I guess that's just the way it is.

The slot is wide like the old PCMCIA slot but only small connector at the bottom and when you insert the express card it can go anywhere it feels like it.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 866646)
Mark,
It would seem from first glance that strain relief tied to the underside of the laptop would be the way to go. Replaceable cable tie wrapped to the underside of the laptop would keep things neat while in the case and easy to replace when the cable has been overstressed. The cable will then also keep the card in place. You might even be able to add a loop in the cable then tie wrap to the extender/adapter and then to the bottom of the laptop to lock everything together. I am always one for having spares so if you are going to keep the laptop I would look into having a spare card slot (they usually just plug into the board inside the case), a spare cable and spare card adapter. If the laptop needs to sit on a flat surface, add a few stick on feet. You can get a variety from any hardware store.


RyanCahoon 15-07-2009 00:09

Re: loose express card
 
In addition to the strain relief, if you're still looking for a spacer, you may be able to make one out of the plastic spacer "card" that comes with most laptops. There's also several ideas of varying severity posted in this forum that may be of interest to you.

--Ryan

Al Skierkiewicz 15-07-2009 07:52

Re: loose express card
 
Mark,
26 pins just doesn't hold as well as the 68 pins of the PCMCIA cards. With all the slop in the card slot, in your application, I can forsee some intermittent problems down the road if you don't come up with a solution that locks everything into place. I like the velcro solution in Ryan's forum but hate it on the control surface. It is just too ugly for me. Velcro applied underneath might be the way to go. I also like 3M Duallock which is more positive and won't let go when you really need it. It is available most places you can get velcro.

Mark Rozitis 15-07-2009 09:47

Re: loose express card
 
I looked at the pics in that forum and I think that's the route I will go, I really like what I see in those pics.

mark
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 866775)
Mark,
26 pins just doesn't hold as well as the 68 pins of the PCMCIA cards. With all the slop in the card slot, in your application, I can forsee some intermittent problems down the road if you don't come up with a solution that locks everything into place. I like the velcro solution in Ryan's forum but hate it on the control surface. It is just too ugly for me. Velcro applied underneath might be the way to go. I also like 3M Duallock which is more positive and won't let go when you really need it. It is available most places you can get velcro.


Mark Rozitis 16-08-2009 22:50

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 866760)
In addition to the strain relief, if you're still looking for a spacer, you may be able to make one out of the plastic spacer "card" that comes with most laptops. There's also several ideas of varying severity posted in this forum that may be of interest to you.

--Ryan

Thanks for the help, I am in Toronto, Ontario and I "thought" 3M Dual lock would be available everywhere well I think I looked everywhere and I couldn't find it, eventually someone who is into ham radio and electronics posted that this store has is and sure enough they did and I immediately bought a 5 metre roll of it :)

Here is the info on the store up here that sells it in case anyone else needs it:

www.noahsmarine.com
54 Six Point RoadEtobicoke, ON M8Z 2X2, Canada(416) 232-0522

Now I just have to build everything, it got so busy in news, 18 hour days and all I have a lot of spare parts for things that I have picked up over the last couple of weeks but no time to install or build anything yet.

mark

Mark Rozitis 18-10-2009 00:06

Re: loose express card
 
Went exactly this route and it works perfectly, I did add one wrap of 3M industrial grade electrical tape (home depot) and it helped that card fit rather tight and the dual-lock locked it in and it hasn't moved yet and those of us in news especially setting up live hits five minutes to air are not known for being to gentle with equipment.

If the express card was a bit thicker it would have a chance of holding but these things just don't hold at all.

This fix has held good, now if only fixing the live video streaming issues I have were as easy.

thanks again,

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 866760)
In addition to the strain relief, if you're still looking for a spacer, you may be able to make one out of the plastic spacer "card" that comes with most laptops. There's also several ideas of varying severity posted in this forum that may be of interest to you.

--Ryan


MrForbes 18-10-2009 00:38

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 878675)

This fix has held good, now if only fixing the live video streaming issues I have were as easy.

Hey, it could be worse....

http://www.pharis-video.com/p1660.htm

:)

Al Skierkiewicz 18-10-2009 23:35

Re: loose express card
 
Leave it to Jim to bring up the good old days when TV production used TV81 http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/camera...v81a.htm#notes The days of iron men needed to pull this cable for each camera are long gone. The connector in the link is about 2.5-3 inches in diameter and the cable came on powered reels in the belly of the truck for sports trucks. TV81 cable is 1.75 inches in diameter and a single person could only carry about 100' coil on their shoulder. Of the 81 wires, there were six coaxes and several power wires carrying 120 volts or more depending on the camera. The wire had a 1/8" rubber jacket which made it even heavier and sticky when pulling or coiling the cable.

MrForbes 19-10-2009 00:02

Re: loose express card
 
It's important to let the younger folks know what they're missing out on :)

One interesting (to me) pic on the page I linked to is this bus....



A friend just bought one of these old Flxible buses. his was originally a California Juvenile prison bus, then a church bus, then converted to a motorhome....

Sorry about all the old stuff, but I've been working on my 59 chevy pickup again

Al Skierkiewicz 19-10-2009 07:44

Re: loose express card
 
Jim,
The facility I worked at in Peoria while in school (Bradley U) had one of those Flxible mobile production facilities. It had been donated by WBBM in Chicago to Bradley and had three cameras, about 10k feet of TV 81 and two RCA quad video recorders. We stripped it to use the machines and cameras in the studio. The video department later became WTVP, public TV in Peoria.

Mark Rozitis 19-10-2009 21:36

Re: loose express card
 
I love those pics and should look for more of them, it's fascinating to see how they did things back then, just to think that even today's live news trucks will be replaced with small pelican cases or maybe even backpacks or camera-packs in 2-3 years.

This live streaming stuff is just exploding and once someone makes something that works a bit better than what I am doing with wirecast and makes it in broadcast or near broadcast quality the live truck is history.

I work full time practically for two stations so my time to work on projects like this is limited unless I try and pull six weeks of no sleep and non-stop diet coke like you guys do but if windows7 doesn't free up enough resources to run wirecast perfectly smooth then I am going to have to build a high end purpose built gaming rig into a pelican case just to run wirecast and I'll do it and of course that case will be replaced in 2-3 years by a box that latches on to the back of my Sony XDcam and then that will be my "live truck".

As demand for this explodes from mainstream TV stations I am sure a few companies out there will develop the real thing.

I guess this can be compared to a record and tape collection vs and mp3 player, imagine how much space 10,000 songs would take up vs that on an mp3 player.

It's fun and exciting, at least success is fun when working on these projects but also so enjoyable reading about and seeing how they did the same things back then.

mark
mark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 878789)
Leave it to Jim to bring up the good old days when TV production used TV81 http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/camera...v81a.htm#notes The days of iron men needed to pull this cable for each camera are long gone. The connector in the link is about 2.5-3 inches in diameter and the cable came on powered reels in the belly of the truck for sports trucks. TV81 cable is 1.75 inches in diameter and a single person could only carry about 100' coil on their shoulder. Of the 81 wires, there were six coaxes and several power wires carrying 120 volts or more depending on the camera. The wire had a 1/8" rubber jacket which made it even heavier and sticky when pulling or coiling the cable.


Al Skierkiewicz 20-10-2009 08:33

Re: loose express card
 
Mark,
NBC and Fox are both going the way of the "content producer". They are using the little Panasonic camera with memory stick media. An assignment is given and the shooter goes out and collects video including his/her own standup, then goes back to the car and edits on Final Cut, writes the dialog and then cuts that as well using their laptop. Then runs to a Starbucks or McD that has free wifi and uploads the story. The only people who like this idea are the management people. The shooters, reporters, editors and most importantly the audience doesn't seem happy with the new way of doing things. It has also cost a lot of jobs and the unions are all balking at it. Here in Chicago, Local News Service has begun where one shooter goes out and produces a piece without a reporter and then sends it to all the LNS subscribers. Those stations that subscribe ( and not all have) provide one crew per day and there is one assignment editor who parses out the crews. As you can imagine lot's of news is being missed because there is no one shooting the back story or the other behind the scenes video. No reporter means there is no professional to ask questions or put a slant on the story. It is an experiment but has already cost about 50 jobs in those member stations.

ebarker 20-10-2009 09:21

Re: loose express card
 
since we are here in broadcast world.......

Al, do you have any experience in editing AVCHD versus P2 ???

My impression (and these are very very generalized statements) is that AVCHD is very popular for ENG, has a more progressive compression scheme and is 'h' 'e' double toothpicks on editing systems when doing HD. Basically you need an Intel i7 with multiple SATA disk channels.

And P2 is less rough on editing in terms of processor requirements but is used for professional 'hollywood' productions because of other superior image charactistics. The main downside to P2 being the memory is very expensive and the files very large.

dreaming of
Panasonic AG-HMC150 AVCHD type
Panasonic AG-HVX200A P2 type

when we find our pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.....
.

Mark Rozitis 25-10-2009 21:38

Re: loose express card
 
Up Here in Toronto ontario it's not that bad yet but stations and networks are hurt bad by the recession, one is in bankruptcy protection now so who knows what will happen.

You are right news is being missed when they go that route, for breaking news you need people listening to scanners to the police, fire, ems, etc provided they haven't gone encrypted yet and finding the news, then chasing it, you need people searching out good events in the community as well and sending people, one person doing all those things cannot do a quality job and the result is not something people care to watch and I know myself for example when I am doing the live operations using wirecast my shooting to disc/tape suffers because I am not able to concentrate as much on making good pictures, I enjoy the tech side of this new live technology but I have also noticed when I am live and shooting at the same time my shooting suffers. A few hairs on the top of my head have also tried to turn grey as well but I turned them back.

I have five scanners in my truck, I also program them (radioreference.com) and that alone is a heck of a lot of work, then listening because you never know when news will happen.

Today's newsroom managers have no clue about how quality work used to be produced, think we can fly and be everywhere in five minutes and do five things all at once.

They do this in news for some reason but not yet at least in the trades, I don't see one person doing the electrical, plumbing and drywalling on ajob site so why in news?

The other problem I am seeing in news is those who have some experience get no credit for it today, everyday might as well be my first day on the job.

It's a very unique business thats for sure.

On another note I have installed Windows 7 professional this weekend with excellent results, uses way less resources than vista and I haven't even tweaked it yet and freed up enough CPU that my Wirecast visibly ran better in a test I did today. All hardware and software just worked perfectly after the install and I am very happy.

m

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 879002)
Mark,
NBC and Fox are both going the way of the "content producer". They are using the little Panasonic camera with memory stick media. An assignment is given and the shooter goes out and collects video including his/her own standup, then goes back to the car and edits on Final Cut, writes the dialog and then cuts that as well using their laptop. Then runs to a Starbucks or McD that has free wifi and uploads the story. The only people who like this idea are the management people. The shooters, reporters, editors and most importantly the audience doesn't seem happy with the new way of doing things. It has also cost a lot of jobs and the unions are all balking at it. Here in Chicago, Local News Service has begun where one shooter goes out and produces a piece without a reporter and then sends it to all the LNS subscribers. Those stations that subscribe ( and not all have) provide one crew per day and there is one assignment editor who parses out the crews. As you can imagine lot's of news is being missed because there is no one shooting the back story or the other behind the scenes video. No reporter means there is no professional to ask questions or put a slant on the story. It is an experiment but has already cost about 50 jobs in those member stations.


Al Skierkiewicz 26-10-2009 11:40

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 879730)
A few hairs on the top of my head have also tried to turn grey as well but I turned them back.

m

Mark,
It's a well known fact that TV engineers hair turns while sleeping only. That is why it takes years for it to creep up. Ha!
(Said by someone who is looking at a 60 hour week.)

Mark Rozitis 14-11-2009 09:25

Re: loose express card
 
I should be fine then, did a 90 hour week last week and just found five minutes to go on here now so hopefully no new grey this week. It gotten so bad with the hours lately that there is no time to work on projects anymore, I keep buying parts here and there and now I am literally tripping over stuff that I bought back in the spring and haven't installed or used yet, there's cables and software and parts all over the place some of which I've bought twice because I forgot I already bought it!






Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 879822)
Mark,
It's a well known fact that TV engineers hair turns while sleeping only. That is why it takes years for it to creep up. Ha!
(Said by someone who is looking at a 60 hour week.)


Al Skierkiewicz 15-11-2009 10:54

Re: loose express card
 
Just be sure to bank your earnings for later. Hard times are here and you never know what will take place. Some of our freelancers will see only one or two days this month.

Mark Rozitis 15-11-2009 16:30

Re: loose express card
 
Yes and good advice, I'm paying down debt right now as who knows what will happen come spring, I'm contract so I don't get paid extra for all these extra hours but in this economy complaining is not an option.

What worries me and not just for the television industry but others as well is that when recovery happens any jobs will be part-time/on call and we'll all be working not at one or two jobs but three or four. It's also an employers market right now and for the next few years.

That's why I'm trying to push this live web truck/wirecast stuff as the days of million dollar sat trucks are not guaranteed I am hoping I can advance with this new technology but to get on full time I might have to go back to school and upgrade my skills and qualifications.

The hours are getting longer and I know my only chance of a "vacation" this year will be "if" I am covering the Waterloo and GTR regionals this season. Trying to get good news on TV is also becoming a real challenge, if there is a big go green push this year at competition then I have a good chance at it though with one station.

mark



mark
Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 882599)
Just be sure to bank your earnings for later. Hard times are here and you never know what will take place. Some of our freelancers will see only one or two days this month.


Al Skierkiewicz 16-11-2009 07:37

Re: loose express card
 
Mark,
To show how bad things have become, the AP reported that NBC is being purchased (at least in part) by Comcast.

Cable takeover marks new era for NBC, TV industry
The Associated Press
Eight decades after pioneering the concept of broadcasting, NBC is on the verge of a startling move that illustrates broadcast television's decline.

Cable TV operator Comcast Corp. is expected to buy a controlling stake in NBC Universal, perhaps as early as this week, bringing the network of Johnny Carson, Jerry Seinfeld, Bob Hope, Milton Berle and Tom Brokaw under the corporate control of the company that owns the Golf Channel and E! Entertainment Television.

"This is highly symbolic," said Tim Brooks, who had worked at NBC for 20 years and now writes books on television history.

Starting Sunday, Vivendi SA has an option to sell its 20 percent stake in NBC Universal. Majority owner General Electric Co. is expected to buy it and then sell a 51 percent stake of the entire NBC Universal unit to Comcast, which serves about a quarter of the nation's subscription TV households.

Broadcast people, the folks who remember when television was ABC, CBS, NBC and little else, used to look down upon cable.

The idea of broadcast TV was implied in the name; the networks tried to reach the broadest possible audience. For cable it's important to do something specific and do it well, and the audience doesn't need to be as large.

NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker recognizes this. Cable properties such as USA, SyFy, CNBC and The Weather Channel mean more to NBC Universal's bottom line than staggering NBC, fourth place in the ratings.

And those cable properties â more than the flagship "Peacock" network â were the draw for Comcast. By owning more content, Comcast further hedges its bets as mainly a distributor of shows in case viewers ditch their cable TV subscriptions and migrate to the Internet, mobile devices or a platform that has yet to emerge. The company could charge for the shows or sell ads wherever the viewers are.

In a sense, NBC would become a pioneer again, as it seeks to stay relevant amid intensifying audience fragmentation.

NBC was established as the nation's first radio network in 1926. Its parent company, the Radio Corporation of America, made radios and realized the best way to get people to buy the product was to make sure there were interesting things to listen to.

"Without NBC, there wouldn't be broadcasting as we know it," said Walter J. Podrazik, a consulting curator at the Museum of Broadcast Communications.

NBC was the leading radio network, so powerful in those days it had two networks: NBC-Red and NBC-Blue. It was forced by the Federal Communications Commission in the early 1940s to divest itself of one network. NBC-Blue eventually became ABC. In fact, all three original broadcast networks can be traced back to NBC. One of its original owners, Westinghouse Electric Co., bought CBS in 1995.

Some of NBC's radio profits were funneled into researching the new television technology. NBC began television broadcasts in 1939 by covering the opening of the New York World's Fair.

Mark Rozitis 22-11-2009 22:12

Re: loose express card
 
In Canada right now the big CRTC (FCC) hearings are going on in Ottawa regarding fee for carriage, the conventional over the air broadcasters want a percentage of the fees from the cable subscribers and are saying that ad's don't come close to paying the bills any more. Even radio which ten years ago used to be a license to print money has been decimated.

One thing I know for sure is I am going to have to upgrade my skills fast for this business or something else, The way it's going they want one person to do five things and maintain the same quality of ten years or more ago when each task was done be one person.

This media business though is a unique breed of cat and so are some of the people in it.

Right now though I think and maybe I will be wrong but I think this whole idea of live via the web, transmitting broadcast grade video via the web is the next generation live truck, not a million dollar sat truck but something almost as effective for a fraction of the cost.

Building it has a few technical challenges as this is still fairly new but what I am finding is selling the idea is near impossible, I've seen bosses that are firmly stuck in the 80's, in the tape era and don't want to hear anything about being able to feed video from the middle of nowhere using a laptop and saving a ton of money. Not that there is anything wrong with the 80`s, the music was good.

If I stay in this business or am lucky enough to stay in this business I think that's what I want to pursue, I want to be on the leading edge of the next generation live truck, then again once they figure out how easy it is they will just add that task to the camera operator and before you know it we'll be doing five things at once :)

I haven't given up yet.

mark


Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 882730)
Mark,
To show how bad things have become, the AP reported that NBC is being purchased (at least in part) by Comcast.

Cable takeover marks new era for NBC, TV industry
The Associated Press
Eight decades after pioneering the concept of broadcasting, NBC is on the verge of a startling move that illustrates broadcast television's decline.

Cable TV operator Comcast Corp. is expected to buy a controlling stake in NBC Universal, perhaps as early as this week, bringing the network of Johnny Carson, Jerry Seinfeld, Bob Hope, Milton Berle and Tom Brokaw under the corporate control of the company that owns the Golf Channel and E! Entertainment Television.

"This is highly symbolic," said Tim Brooks, who had worked at NBC for 20 years and now writes books on television history.

Starting Sunday, Vivendi SA has an option to sell its 20 percent stake in NBC Universal. Majority owner General Electric Co. is expected to buy it and then sell a 51 percent stake of the entire NBC Universal unit to Comcast, which serves about a quarter of the nation's subscription TV households.

Broadcast people, the folks who remember when television was ABC, CBS, NBC and little else, used to look down upon cable.

The idea of broadcast TV was implied in the name; the networks tried to reach the broadest possible audience. For cable it's important to do something specific and do it well, and the audience doesn't need to be as large.

NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker recognizes this. Cable properties such as USA, SyFy, CNBC and The Weather Channel mean more to NBC Universal's bottom line than staggering NBC, fourth place in the ratings.

And those cable properties â more than the flagship "Peacock" network â were the draw for Comcast. By owning more content, Comcast further hedges its bets as mainly a distributor of shows in case viewers ditch their cable TV subscriptions and migrate to the Internet, mobile devices or a platform that has yet to emerge. The company could charge for the shows or sell ads wherever the viewers are.

In a sense, NBC would become a pioneer again, as it seeks to stay relevant amid intensifying audience fragmentation.

NBC was established as the nation's first radio network in 1926. Its parent company, the Radio Corporation of America, made radios and realized the best way to get people to buy the product was to make sure there were interesting things to listen to.

"Without NBC, there wouldn't be broadcasting as we know it," said Walter J. Podrazik, a consulting curator at the Museum of Broadcast Communications.

NBC was the leading radio network, so powerful in those days it had two networks: NBC-Red and NBC-Blue. It was forced by the Federal Communications Commission in the early 1940s to divest itself of one network. NBC-Blue eventually became ABC. In fact, all three original broadcast networks can be traced back to NBC. One of its original owners, Westinghouse Electric Co., bought CBS in 1995.

Some of NBC's radio profits were funneled into researching the new television technology. NBC began television broadcasts in 1939 by covering the opening of the New York World's Fair.


Al Skierkiewicz 23-11-2009 07:47

Re: loose express card
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 883866)
In Canada right now the big CRTC (FCC) hearings are going on in Ottawa regarding fee for carriage, the conventional over the air broadcasters want a percentage of the fees from the cable subscribers and are saying that ad's don't come close to paying the bills any more.

Mark,
This is a real double edged sword. The cable operators won't pay and the broadcasters won't have viewers without cable. Some of the stations here in town estimate at least 70% of their audience is on cable. One has even suggested they may shut down their transmitter and just feed the cables.
Broadcasting on the internet is still going to be a problem with throughput. There just isn't enough bandwidth to handle that much data to that many customers. With the current economy, we are seeing a shift back to over the air. Cable rates have skyrocketed in the past few years with a monthly bill approaching or exceeding $100 US. Many cable providers are trying to add in billables by tacking on internet and phone to the same cable. The lunacy of this is when your cable goes out, so does the phone, the internet and your link with local news.
What might be a possibility is that the transmitter becomes a source of data for your DVR/video server. It just broadcasts a data stream all day which you then select a service from. As drives and solid state storage come down in price, anything is possible. Who would have thought 10 years ago that a terabyte drive would be available for under two hundred dollars. We are retiring video servers that have 18 GB drives because you can't find any new ones.
The multiple jobs by one individual comes in part from the economy and part from our viewers. We have found that viewers have become more tolerant of technical problems, bad video, poor camera work and downright disgusting editing. Since the viewers don't seem to care neither does management. I know it is hard to be good at everything but "I can do that" will get you more jobs than the other guy. It's hard but that is the life we have chosen. When I tell people I normally start at 6AM but am really on call 24/7 they look at me like I am from a different planet. Why would I put up with that kind of work environment? I could wonder about their job in the same way. I can't make everything bright and wonderful but I will continue doing the best I can and making a difference when an opportunity arises.

Mark Rozitis 23-11-2009 08:30

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I think also the tolerance for lower video and technical quality comes from YouTube as well, they have how many millions of "viewers" and we have how few? When we had the propane explosion in Toronto last year most of the video the TV stations used was youtube video and since the police would not allow any acsess for media cameras that home video looked really good!

We have in Toronto area now clsoe to 24 Digital over the air HD channels that you can pick up with an antenna apparently and the quality is way better than what cable and satellite can offer so yes I can see a switch back to over the air and I might do it myself soon.

What I am doing on weekends with wirecast and live severe weather the station loves it yet the quality is not perfect and I still haven't figured out why the video hangs up for a couple of seconds every now and then but they are thrilled with it back at the station.

The hardest part of this adjustment has been getting my head around the fact that it is now ok for each shot not to be perfectly steady and on tripod and perfect white balance etc. Ten years ago every "mistake" would be pointed out to me and now I could hand them a blank tape and never hear anything bad. It's really been a challenge to adjust to the new look of TV news, just have to keep that youtube video in mind.

mark

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 883897)
Mark,
This is a real double edged sword. The cable operators won't pay and the broadcasters won't have viewers without cable. Some of the stations here in town estimate at least 70% of their audience is on cable. One has even suggested they may shut down their transmitter and just feed the cables.
Broadcasting on the internet is still going to be a problem with throughput. There just isn't enough bandwidth to handle that much data to that many customers. With the current economy, we are seeing a shift back to over the air. Cable rates have skyrocketed in the past few years with a monthly bill approaching or exceeding $100 US. Many cable providers are trying to add in billables by tacking on internet and phone to the same cable. The lunacy of this is when your cable goes out, so does the phone, the internet and your link with local news.
What might be a possibility is that the transmitter becomes a source of data for your DVR/video server. It just broadcasts a data stream all day which you then select a service from. As drives and solid state storage come down in price, anything is possible. Who would have thought 10 years ago that a terabyte drive would be available for under two hundred dollars. We are retiring video servers that have 18 GB drives because you can't find any new ones.
The multiple jobs by one individual comes in part from the economy and part from our viewers. We have found that viewers have become more tolerant of technical problems, bad video, poor camera work and downright disgusting editing. Since the viewers don't seem to care neither does management. I know it is hard to be good at everything but "I can do that" will get you more jobs than the other guy. It's hard but that is the life we have chosen. When I tell people I normally start at 6AM but am really on call 24/7 they look at me like I am from a different planet. Why would I put up with that kind of work environment? I could wonder about their job in the same way. I can't make everything bright and wonderful but I will continue doing the best I can and making a difference when an opportunity arises.


Mark Rozitis 06-01-2010 22:32

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 879822)
Mark,
It's a well known fact that TV engineers hair turns while sleeping only. That is why it takes years for it to creep up. Ha!
(Said by someone who is looking at a 60 hour week.)

Well this is kind of interesting, I shoot on contract for two Toronto area stations and at one we've been using technology for quite awhile, ftp'ing video from the road and it's been quite efficient. The other station as I mentioned before still stuck in the 80's until recently, up here Telus (Telus.ca) launched thier new 3.5G network in Ontario and let's jet say after the old fashioned live trucks failed three times in one week they decided to let me show them and what better timing with this new network, totally wide open un-throttled upload as well and I am sending let's say 5 min of broadcast video down to the station in 4 min, and our live stuff now looks ten times better and people are starting to "prefer" this new way not to mention we are saving a fortune on satellite costs and other feed point costs.

Just to be able to send back you're video or story from anywhere and 10 minutes to air is awesome but I also feel sad that we didn't' have this technology ten years ago, I think of all those frantic runs down the highway to try and get tape back, pulling into the parking lot with heavy smoke coming off my brakes and now we I can send video from the scene in minutes.

Of course now I am working harder than ever and doing more shoots becuase I don't have to drive back to the station anymore!, there are only two of us equipped right now and of course when it's a deadline dash guess who gets rushed to the scene?

Next projects for me are to build a fully self-sufficient live truck out of a pelican 1610 case, lower level will be a layer of gel cells and upper later an Asus G51 and in general to put the kit together and have it working with as much simplicity as possible because there is no time to get technical at 20 minutes to air, this stuff has to power up, connect and work fast!.

Of course now that they like this so much I am throttling back the amount of information I give them on exactly what I am using, believe me in the last three weeks things have changed quite a bit, been telling them for a couple of years now but after a week of showing them (at my expense BTW) suddenly when the video magically really does appear at the station they suddenly "believe".

Every live truck operator should learn this stuff and campaign to have it as an option on their trucks as by doing so it means some job security.

I think though the days of $500,00 and million dollar trucks are winding down and the new truck will be in Pelican 1610 cases.

mark

Al Skierkiewicz 07-01-2010 07:54

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Mark,
I just saw something advertised in the latest QST Amateur Radio magazine that you might be interested in. It is a battery boost regulator and will provide 12-15 volts at up to 40 amps with battery voltage down to 9 volts. I don't have the magazine with me so I can't remember who the manufacturer is. Maybe someone can look it up for you or I will try to remember to check when I get home tonight. It seems to be just the right protection when you need a few more minutes to upload the story.
Things continue to change around here. Still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Comcast purchase of NBC.

Mark Rozitis 17-01-2010 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 893882)
Mark,
I just saw something advertised in the latest QST Amateur Radio magazine that you might be interested in. It is a battery boost regulator and will provide 12-15 volts at up to 40 amps with battery voltage down to 9 volts. I don't have the magazine with me so I can't remember who the manufacturer is. Maybe someone can look it up for you or I will try to remember to check when I get home tonight. It seems to be just the right protection when you need a few more minutes to upload the story.
Things continue to change around here. Still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Comcast purchase of NBC.

Thanks, I'll try and google search it out when I have time to breathe once again, with all that's going on it Haiti I have been doing near 20 hour days driving from Toronto to CFB Trenton and back shooting the military loading planes for Haiti, been using the live-via internet stuff a lot as well from the base and it's been working amazing but now I am leaning towards building a desktop into a pelican case as it would be more protected from rain as well as easy BNC/XLR connectivity as opposed to firewire with the laptop.

Perhaps for a desktop style unit I could get a video card that had firewire as well as RCA type connectors for video and audio and then just make my patch cables from there.

Amazing stuff though, just wish I had this 10 years ago.

Al Skierkiewicz 18-01-2010 08:17

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Mike,
We have been hearing good things about the ToughBook series. I think they have waterproof cases and keyboards. Pricey but worth the expense when needed.
Al

Mark Rozitis 18-01-2010 14:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 901488)
Mike,
We have been hearing good things about the ToughBook series. I think they have waterproof cases and keyboards. Pricey but worth the expense when needed.
Al

Apparently they are great for blocking the wheels of a truck in flooding situations and still usable aftwerwards but I had heard the problem with toughbooks besides the price was graphics cards and CPU, not as high end due to heat dissipation issues.

As I type this here at CFB Trenton a competing station's sat truck has a problem, something snapped, the dish is now pointed skywards but not southwest and it's secured from rotating by a rope, my FTP system is working fine and all my video is back in Toronto. I'd recommend mobile FTP for all existing live trucks as well as a back-up transmit system for when things like this happen and the happen to all of us from time to time, now I just have to make a more durable kit for rapid deployment and use in bad weather.

There was a snap and 10 min later not one but two live truck operators were atop the sat truck all while a beeping sound was coming from inside and that's never a good sign.

Probably metal fatigue or something, it just broke and the dish fell back and it's staring at the sky.

m

Al Skierkiewicz 18-01-2010 14:26

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Sounds like the elevation lead screw or mount let go. Never a good thing. They need it to stow the dish so they can drive. Someone needs to take a picture for the archives though.

Mark Rozitis 18-01-2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 901694)
Sounds like the elevation lead screw or mount let go. Never a good thing. They need it to stow the dish so they can drive. Someone needs to take a picture for the archives though.

I took two pics with my blakcberry camera but I can't see too well up there, probably the elevation lead screw because the whole thing seems mounted normally from what I can see, they have a second truck coming hopefully with an engineer on board, that stuff up there looks rather heavy to move around though.

They were just opening up the dish and I heard this loud "chunk" in the background as I was filming this C17 take off and then I saw two guys on the roof of the truck securing the dish with rope.

Stowing it will be a problem because even if they can safely get their paws on the thing it looks heavy, I wouldn't want to be up there with no safety railing that close to the edge.

I remember five years ago our truck failed on the story of the year, 15 minutes to air, broken fan belt on generator, I took a peek and saw many cracks in the belt and knew right away that the price you pay for not doing minor maintenance.

I'm sure the cold weather affects the parts up there as well.

Fyi, I did offer to help the competition as I have lots of tools on board but it's way too heavy for us to mess with right now. They were rather interested in my FTP system on the seat of my truck though :)

mark

Al Skierkiewicz 18-01-2010 14:49

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Sounds like a revenue opportunity.

Mark Rozitis 18-01-2010 16:04

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 901709)
Sounds like a revenue opportunity.

Maybe, or just a good secondary method of transmitting, they have two engineers on top of the truck now and I'm hearing it's probably that elevation lead screw that popped out. The one engineer has also brought his small dog to the scene, a dog named snoopy AKA: director of engineering, apparently it's not only FIRST teams who have mascots and as I type this I see the dish moving and all looks well and apparently it was a "resolver", calibration off and the computer stopped everything as it was getting a signal that the antenna was in the right place when it wasn't.

I learned something today.

Al Skierkiewicz 18-01-2010 16:29

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If it was the resolver calibration, the lead screw motor may have run to the mechanical endstop and then broke it off. (It might have a shear pin to prevent any real damage.)

Mark Rozitis 24-01-2010 22:03

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 901760)
If it was the resolver calibration, the lead screw motor may have run to the mechanical endstop and then broke it off. (It might have a shear pin to prevent any real damage.)

I saw the engineer at another scene last week and that's exactly what happened, wow! You know you're stuff. Who say's stuff can't be diagnosed and fixed over the internet or phone? :)

Al Skierkiewicz 25-01-2010 07:47

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This is where I am supposed to respond "That's why I get the big bucks!" but you know how wrong that is working for PBS. It was mostly just looking at what you reported and coming to a conclusion that fit. I am a maintenance guy after all and have worked on these up close before. When we meet, you will have to ask me about the Franki Valle and the Four Seasons Live to satellite event. That was a day when I really earned my pay.


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