Bah-stuhn Ranhdumihzed Rhankins
 

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61
1350
229
3236
1100
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2876
11
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1403
125

Re: Bah-stuhn Ranhdumihzed Rhankins
 

Because of school I am not going to be able to run any drafts starting next Sunday. I have also been under the weather for the last 24-hours. I would appreciate it if someone could fill in for tomorrow and Saturday.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I should be able to run them

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Alright, I now have a list for Toronto, so I'll go ahead and take that one.

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Do we really have any drafts tonight? I have to go to work at 5pm.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Two. Long Island and Greater Toronto.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

That's not that smart, those two should be moved to tomorrow. Right now we have it as no drafts tomorrow night, big deal? the night that no one will be available is tonight, not the night after. Get what I am saying?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Tommorow is the holiday. Besides the drafts end at 8:30, most New Years Eve parties start after that. I will not be available tomorrow.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The holiday is tonight, not the next day though.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

It would be better to just do the drafts tomorrow if you guys are ok with that.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

You were one of the ones whining about doing a draft on New Years day and now your whining about doing a draft tonight.
Instead of whining all the time why don't you help for once so maybe you can appreciate the work we go through for you.:mad:

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm fine either way, but I'm not going to make the decision. If Ed decides to run the drafts tomorrow night that's fine, otherwise I'm going to go ahead and run it tonight.

If you can't make the draft you're more than welcome to send in a list. Any list from one team to all the teams at the event is fine (1 team isn't likely to do you any good though).

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I did not complain about having a draft on new years. I just looked through the thread.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

It aint like you haven't missed other drafts before and you actually were around those nights. So what makes tonight more special? Unless I hear from more than just you and Akash the drafts are on tonight.
If you really want to make sure you get whom you want then submit a list.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Lists are for stinkers.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Then deal with it.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Geez guys, relax, its just FF haha. I'm fine with missing a draft if its that big a deal.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

:p

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

:rolleyes:

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I agree with Alex and Akash. If it's not too big of a problem to change it, it would be better to have the drafts tomorrow.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Fine! We'll delay the drafts til tomorrow.
I'd better nit here one single word out of anyone about doing drafts on New Years!

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sounds good. Feel free to make your picks early if your turn is up and I'll try to pop in and fill in picks from people's list as applicable.

I have received a number of lists from Ed and also some from people directly. In each tier I have posted who I have a list from so you can check there and make sure if you think I should have a list from you.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.


Kidding. My drafts are submitted, it really makes no difference to me on which day they occur.

Long Island Randomized Rankings
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

rocketperson44 has missed five consecutive drafts in a row and has been sent a PM. If he does not participate in tomorrow night's draft he will be booted from the league.
Also this is his second notice for delinquency and if he does participate in tomorrow's draft but misses five drafts again he will be booted without a PM.

Sacramento Random List
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

*snarls* Let me at them! *rattles chains* I need sustenance.

Buckeye Randomized Rankings
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

rocketperson44 made a pick tonight and odds are no one else is going to get booted.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

He made two picks in my draft too.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Unless Ed has an attachment to a particular draft, I'll take Northstar for tomorrow night. The official team lists appear to be down at the moment so I will hold off on posting the randomized list and tiers. If the issue isn't fixed by tomorrow night I would guess we'll go with the TBA lists.

I have updated my drafting program to version 1.6. Version 1.5 included some new features and 1.6 was uploaded today with fixes for two minor bugs that popped up during last night's draft. Check the changelog included in the zip file for all of the changes.

I also uploaded an updated copy of my draft setup program. I inadvertently uploaded an incorrect copy previously that does not add the separator between the players and teams necessary for the draft runner to load the file.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Ed, what are your thoughts on this? I would believe a player that received a team that is not attending the regional would be cheated, and we should wait for the official team lists to come back up before drafts continue.

If it helps, here is the team list I copied before usfirst.org lists went down

North Star
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If we need to postpone tomorrow's drafts, I'll try to free up a night next week to help out.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I should be able to continue to run any drafts necessary up through Thursday if we end up postponing the MN drafts.

I have the same team lists for both events as Barry does.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I set up the draft before I saw this but Kevin can take it over.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm not going to stop the drafts because the FIRST website crashed.
We move on with the resources we have available and that resource right now is The Blue Alliance.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Team lists for regionals are back up if you guys want to check your lists.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Official team lists are back up and it appears that the TBA lists that Ed used to set up the drafts are accurate.

Random list for Northstar:
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1986
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2219
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2129
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525
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876
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2472
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877
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Thousand Lakes Randomized Rankings
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Ok here's the deal: we got three more drafts to go but I got two league members blowing off the drafts. One is a first timer and the other has been doing this all season (not showing up for draft even though he's online or ducking in or out of the thread without making a pick and he's not getting a PM this time) but since it's so late should I even bother following through or should I let it slide because it's so late in the season?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

My opinion would be to let the first timer slide, and cut the chronic offender loose. The way I see it the randomizer is there to fill in the gaps because this league does involve a LOT of drafts and some people don't want to put in the time to make a list for every event (which is ok). If the randomizer is making a large portion of your picks, it's not really you playing, it's the randomizer.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

If they have missed the last five than boot them. If you mean they have been attending 1 in 5 drafts through the last two months than tell the new player to stop it and kick the older one.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

If an FRC team has a yellow card, and they get another, what happens? Red card.

Cut 'em loose if they don't pick tonight.

Honestly, if you just want random teams, say so. If not, then make a pick or send in a list (and BTW Ed, I hope you got the one I sent in last night for today). If you're only doing 1 in 6 (miss 5, respond to PM), and you aren't saying "random" every draft or two, just resign from the league.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The three people who's opinion I hold in the highest esteem in the league have spoken and if rocketperson44 does not participate tonight he is gone.

North Carolina Randomized Rankings
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

He showed.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Anyone else on the chopping block?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Not really.
But I will say what rocketperson44 does in the next 2 drafts will determine if I allow him to join up next season (as of right now I'm leaning heavily towards no).

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

And remember, there are two more drafts during the competition season.

MI State Championship: Draft is held a day or two before the event.

FRC Championship: During the break between regionals and the Championship.

I wouldn't let those slide, as there are some really good points to be had in the MI State event.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'll be sending out PM polls to find out how many picks people thing we should have for the championships(I'm not doing 10 rounds).

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I've got an idea, but I'll respond later via PM.

You want me to go ahead and plan on doing MI the Wednesday of that week, like happened last year?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I won't have to travel as far this year but I could use a break, so yeah you can take it this time.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

what do you mean by 10 rounds? wouldnt we just do the same things for these championships as we do normal regionals?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

There's 300+ teams to be divided amongst 22 league members.
There's more than enough teams for more rounds.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

well what id think in that situation what we should do would be just do rounds for each division and just make the leagues like 11 people deep so then that would make just 8 divisions for Nationals

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Nah, this is the one draft where everyone competes against everyone. There's also a slightly different point structure, which happens to include the Einstein matches. So it kind of isn't fair to some folks to go by division.

And if we did go by divisions, we'd just do the full round. All of us together is 66 teams in a 3-round draft, and there are 70-80 in a division. There are 300+ teams in the event, so we can do quite a few. Last year, we did 4 rounds, and there were good teams left over.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I was just thinking if we did it by each person getting 3 robots from each division, everyone would get a look at every division, more points to be had, and everyone would get more picks

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I think doing a league for each division for Champs is an interesting idea. By selecting more teams I think it adds a bit more skill in trying to pull some diamonds in the rough. Also, the increase in the number of possible Champs points will likely keep more players in contention for the overall championship up through Champs.


If the issue is running 4 separate drafts I will gladly run 1 or even 2 of them at the same time. If the issue is people not wanting to make lists/picks for 4 separate drafts then I have no problem with the way we did it last year.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

there are PLENTY of good teams in Atlanta. I usually have no problem picking a 4th robot.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I totally agree. I'm down for more rounds - it's such a deep field that my list would have enough teams to go multiple rounds for once!

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Here's how it's been done in the past:

2 years ago: 3 rounds due to running out of time. We were, shall we say, much less organized that year.
Last year: 4 rounds over a few days. Still some good teams left.

This year, if we could do two rounds per day, we could probably get 5-6 rounds in, and still have some decent teams left over.

Let's do the math: 22 players, 320 teams as a decent estimate. That's enough to do 14 rounds at the outside and still have a few teams left. That's also a lot of time to take, so let's not have that many. I'd be just fine with 5-6 rounds spread over 2-3 days.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I admit I am quite fascinated with the concept of doing four drafts for each divisions. I must point out the winner of the Elgin Clock would have HUGE ADVANTAGE getting a first shot at apparently the best team available in each division. The drafts would have to be done on the weekend of April 10th and 11th with dual drafts each night. I will be traveling by car towards Atlanta but I should be available to run a draft.
So you guys down with this idea?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'll probably be available to run drafts then.

Side note: if everyone has a list in, the drafts run MUCH faster. Also note that exact format--1-tier or 2-tier would have to be chosen.

Also, FYI, the Championship scoring modifications are typically as follows:

5......Quarter finalists - Division
10....Semifinalists - Division
15....Finalists - Division
25....Divisional Winners

40.....Finalists - Einstein Field
50.....Winners - Einstein Field

80.....Chairmans - Nationals
45.....Engineering Inspiration Award - Nationals
25.....Rookie All-Star
20.....Rookie Inspiration
15......Woodie Flowers/Judges

10.......Highest score / Highest Rookie Seed
25 points for a robot based award
10.......for every non-placement award, except previously mentioned


These might need tweaking to account for a different system, or might not.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Don't fix it if it aint broken.
We will have to be on top of our game and be ready to have the final standings a few days after the end of week 5 so we can have both the final standings and team rankings ready for the championships.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

If this year goes anything like last year, scores will be out right after the end of Week 5. The teams list should be going out as soon as the last drafts are finished.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

So just so I know I am getting this right, we are gonna do one draft for each division?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Sounds good to me.

Palmetto Randomized Rankings
 

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Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

but he ditched tonight's draft while online.
My mind is made up. He aint coming back next year.
I'm tired of his act. And there's a few other members who are making my naughty list as well.
You guys better straighten up!

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

man it feels good to be done with drafting until next November. I'm sure Ed, Eric, Kevin, and Alex would agree. Thanks all for running the drafts! Best of luck.

I'm curious, how many other players had perfect attendance in the drafts? I know I sent in picks for all drafts, I'm going to say roughly 4 drafts I either rushed my list, or made lists with incomplete information.

Also, make your prediction on the outcome of the season, here's mine

1. Alex
2. Kevin
3. Barry
4. Bethany
5. Sunger

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I missed Hawaii. I even had a list made well in advance, I just didn't send it in for some reason :o

From watching the drafts I would guess there are very few players that showed up for every draft.

Your predicted order of finish seems pretty good. There are definitely a couple other players that have some decent picks and may end up in the top 5 or even the Elgin Clock.

Also, there's still MI State Champs and Champs left to draft so we're not done quite yet.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I only missed one draft. There were a few other ones where I didn't send in lists because I wasn't familiar with the teams and just really didn't care who I ended up with. Last year I actually went through and found who had won awards/the most awards to decide who I drafted, but this year my lists consisted of teams I knew would do well and let luck and the randomizer determine the rest for me. We'll see how this strategy pans out for me down the line.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I had at least a list in for every draft. Sorry, no predictions from me, but I do have the full list ready to go. It is located at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2317

All players would be well-advised to check their teams for all the drafts to make sure there are no issues with the sheet.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

My best laid plans were to make a list for every draft based on past history and research, but time and other commitments got to me over break. I was in about 3/4s of drafts, the rest because I didn't know any teams, business, or carelessness. I'll do better next year!

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I decided to have some fun with a few statistics over the history of Season Long. Specifically, the drop/boot rate.

2008: 65 participants, no boots, one or two drops (and a late add). Active participants: maybe about 20-30. Hence the miss 5 and out rules.

2009: 42 participants, 2 withdrawals, 12 boots. 33% of the league didn't finish. Of the 12 boots, fully 75% disappeared after the first 5 drafts.

2010: 31 participants, 3 withdrawals, 6 boots. 29% non-finishers. Of the boots, 67% or 2/3 were gone after the first 5 drafts.

So, we've been losing fewer people, but playing with fewer.

Of particular note is that it looks like the vast majority of boots happen after the first 5 drafts. Withdrawals (voluntary boots) typically happen after 1-2 drafts.

Just some food for thought.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Usually it's people who have never played before and are the kind of people who don't read the manual and thus don't read my first post saying if you're not going to participate don't join and they hit reply and are never heard from again. I could care less if I have only ten dedicated players over a hundred who show up every once in a while. I want people who want to participate because they enjoy playing the game and getting some sort of challange from playing it not people who are either looking for something to pass the time like some Facebook app that they can play with every once in a while or something to fit in with the veterans.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The new seeding system certainly turns things upside down not only for FRC but for us as well since they are not using W-L-T anymore (this better be a one year thing). Should we go by whatever points the team accumulates during the regional and add that to their score?

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

we could do that, or just give more points based on what seed the team ends up. The final result is that both points are tracking the same thing.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I think you mixed up my teams for the person above me in Florida. I should have 118, 1523 and 2757.



I made all my lists before the first draft. I only ranked teams by my memory of them, so I'm sure they are not perfect and I probably missed some good teams. I think I missed two drafts because I just missed making the list for those regionals. Twice my lists were not used, resulting in me not getting 71 or any teams from Midwest, for which I had a very deep list for. Anyway, it should be exciting to see how it turns out.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I've updated the sheet to reflect the stuff I've been informed about as well as the rerun of Northstar 1.

As for the new seeding, it should be possible, though more difficult, to get W-L-T scores. After all, you have to win or tie to get the Coopertition bonus, and in the eliminations you have to win. It shouldn't be too hard (hypothetically) to go through and get W-L-T from the FIRST website or TBA.

I think, though, that if we do go the points scored route, it should be the average, rounded down (or up) to the nearest whole number.

Re: [FF]: 2010 Season Long Fantasy FIRST
 

There have been a bunch of issues and trades cropping up, so I've put out an updated team list. Same place: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2317

If you have a team that is in bold, there is an issue--either they aren't attending, or somebody got them first. If there is a missing/double-picked team when an event is scored, whoever has that team gets the first random team available. If you're lucky, they get a decent score. If you aren't, they got a negative score.

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A word of advice for those looking at this, it might help to change the font. Times New Roman worked well for me. At least for me, it is hard to catch bold with Calibri font. Thanks for going through this all Eric.

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I've changed the font; it'll be reflected in the next update, which should be right after ship.

Meanwhile, I've been going through Week 1 events looking for missing teams, and there are a lot. (Note: in most cases, not checked against actual picks. If you have a different team that has already replaced the missing one, remind me about it.)

So, here's the list I have so far. If you're on it, it is your job to fix the teams listed by the Week 1 trade deadline. Once that deadline passes, I get the "fun" of going through the random list and figuring out what team you get instead, if you don't do it for me.

Format: Player; Event1, Team1; Event2, Team2; ... EventX, TeamX

Sunbun; D.C., 2885; Peachtree, 538
jmanela; Bayou, 2983
Akash; Peachtree, 3254; New Jersey, 371
hill; San Diego, 125; Bayou, 2983
Chris is me; San Diego, 3178; Peachtree, 3254
Alex Cormier; Kettering, 453; Peachtree, 281
rocketperson44; New Jersey, 371
Barry Bonzack; D.C., 2884; Bayou, 1985
jblay; Traverse City, 2054; Bayou, 2936
bobwrit; San Diego, 125
XaulZan11; Bayou, 1985
Dargel1625; San Diego, 125
TheLoneAsian; Granite State, 1958
Bethany Mc.; Bayou, 2292
Jamie Kalb; Peachtree, 538 & 3139

I will be updating this list over time, as I go through more events.

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All right, so I finished going through the list of teams and comparing it with FIRST's lists, and I've posted the results at the usual place. If one or more of your teams are in bold, you need to change them. If they're also in italics, it's a double-pick.

And yes, we do have one player who lost an entire alliance. Happens every year...

Re: [FF]: 2010 Seaso Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Eric, please read http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=35 and update your file.

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Got it. It'll show up in the version I post with the pre-Week 1 updates.

By the way, remember that the drafts lock the day before they begin, at midnight. In other words, you have until the midnight right before an event to change any picks in that draft.

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All right, with build season winding down to its final few hours, I figure that this is a good time to remind everyone that the sheet with all the teams that you have is at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2317. You have until midnight, Wednesday, 3/1, to change your picks in Week 1. A fair number of teams have dropped out of events (125 in San Diego, for example), or I may have simply missed a change. Hey, maybe I entered the team wrong, and the number has transposed digits or something like that. They'll count as not there unless I know about the mistake...

Any teams that are still in bold (not there) on the sheet when the drafts are locked get replaced with random teams.

Also, a couple of general scoring-type questions:
1) Did we ever decide what to do with W-L-T record? It shouldn't be too hard to track, assuming that FIRST has to track it anyway to decide the Coopertition bonus in a given round. Options are Keep, Remove, or Change the point values.
2) What kind of point value do we want to give the Coopertition Award? I personally think it should be worth more than the 2 points it would be worth under the current system; maybe 10 points?

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We should reward 2 points for the co-opertition bonus and 0 points for the loss.
Also the co-opertition award is fine at 10 points for winning it.

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I wanna go with whomever gets the most RP + CP for each match is effectively the "winner" for the two points, but I wouldn't mind that the alliance with the CP is the "winner" either.

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Have I mentioned how much I hate this ranking system?

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Are we adding point values for the randomly announced Dean's List award?

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I was thinking about that, too...

Why not, say somewhere in the range of 4-6 points/student winner? (Considering that it may be possible to have 2 winners from the same team...)

Reasoning: It's the student version of the WFFA (8 points), but there are 2 winners per event this year, so cut the value a bit to reflect that.

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4 sounds good. Make it half of WFFA as there are two winners.

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Agreed.

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Seconded.

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I'd say, barring Ed's complete disapproval, that we have a general consensus.

Dean's List, 4 points.

The complete regular season scoring, updated:

Coopertition Bonus, 2 points (formerly Win)

Tie, 1 point
No bonus, 0 points (formerly Loss and -2)


Win, 30 points
Finalist, 20 points
Semifinalist, 10 points
Quarterfinalist, 4 points

1st seed, 20 points
2nd-3rd seed, 12 points
4th-8th seed, 6 points
9th-12th seed, 3 points
13th-16th seed, 2 points

WFFA, 8 points
RCA, 42 points
EI, 36 points
RAS, 20 points
Rookie Inspiration, 15 points
Coopertition Award, 10 points (new)

Highest Rookie Seed, 5 points
High score, 5 points
Judges Award, 5 points
Robot-based award (Delphi, Xerox, GM, Rockwell), 15 points
Dean’s List, 4 points (new)

Any award not previously mentioned, 2 points


(Oh, and Jamie--you're missing 1642 in Dallas.)

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The points system sounds good! Can't wait for Week 1!

And thanks for the heads-up. I fixed it.

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The following players still have missing teams in Week 1. Remember, the deadline to switch them out is Wednesday at midnight if you don't want a random team!

jmanela: Bayou, 2983
Akash: Peachtree, 3254
rocketperson44: New Jersey, 371
Barry B.: Washington D.C., 2884; Bayou, 1985
jblay: Traverse City, 2054; Bayou, 2936
bobwrit: San Diego, 125
TheLoneAsian: Granite State, 1958 (apparently a mistype when the team was assigned--1058 instead of 1958)
Bethany Mc.: Bayou, 2292; New Jersey, 422

(And just because you don't have a missing team in Week 1 doesn't mean you don't have one in a later week...)