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Eric O 22-01-2010 07:19

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboMom (Post 903835)

I know it's tough to be on a wait list, but that is the system that FRC has set up. Unfortunately the system is really tough on teams trying to plan.

I think this is the biggest issue. FIRST has a system which is not in the best interest of the teams. Whichever way they do sign-up (first signed up or first paid), when one of those teams drop the next team should be allowed in. In general the way the championship eligibility works is fine with me, but having 175 open registration slots on day 1 and now only having 124 (yes 5 more have dropped) means they should let more teams in.

Why is FIRST not letting these other 51 teams in? This will save teams tens of thousands of dollars by booking travel sooner rather than later. Does anyone know why FIRST wants teams to spend more going to championship? That is what they are doing.

If I were at FIRST HQ I would be worried about filling championship at all. If 51 teams had to drop out while attempting to raise money over 3 months, how are 180+ teams going to get the money in 3 weeks?

-Eric

Travis Hoffman 22-01-2010 10:13

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric O (Post 904501)
If I were at FIRST HQ I would be worried about filling championship at all. If 51 teams had to drop out while attempting to raise money over 3 months, how are 180+ teams going to get the money in 3 weeks?

-Eric

Look at it this way - keep this up, and we can go back to Disney. :p

Wayne C. 22-01-2010 11:46

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 904561)
Look at it this way - keep this up, and we can go back to Disney. :p

naw- Disney is the home for VEX now........

My question is- when will they tell the wait list teams? (and if I do get the go ahead do I really give a $@#$@#$@#$@# about spending 4 x as much to go anyway?)

:cool:

RoboMom 22-01-2010 12:45

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 904256)
, and a registration system that is really a wist list, rather than a serious registration system.

Bingo!
Happy Birthday to the wonderful, hardworking and very wise Mr. McLeod!
Glenn, Eric, Pat, Jon, Peter, Akash: I agree with you.
The system, as it currently exists, is enormously stressful on the teams and mentors, and it doesn't need to be. IMHO (and this is not the first time I've voiced this) it needs a major tweaking.

Mark McLeod 22-01-2010 13:00

Re: Registration 2010
 
I thought there might be some hope for an early waitlist release when I read this in a FIRST email blast:
"We do have a waitlist of teams wanting to go to the Championship, so if you do not have the funding to attend please let us know so that we can give another team the opportunity."

Hope slowly dwindles...

Can there be such a thing as a pyrrhic waitlist?

P.S. "wist list" huh?
My mind is a terrible thing to lose :)

Mark McLeod 26-01-2010 11:14

Re: Registration 2010
 
FIRST has opened up Championship to allow waitlisted teams to register.
Offers are going out now to the first 50 on the list with 48 hours to accept.
...and there was much rejoicing...Yea

P.S. 9 have accepted already.

waialua359 26-01-2010 16:15

Re: Registration 2010
 
Wow,
I just got to work and 9 accepted already?
I noticed we couldnt do it on TIMS ourselves, so just sent in an acceptance reply to email as instructed.

We were lucky enough to have a credit to apply towards the cost.

Mark McLeod 27-01-2010 11:53

Re: Registration 2010
 
Back up to 147 teams registered for Championship.
22 acceptances in 24 hours.

We have a partial credit from a grant that was going to be lost. We're trying to recover it now to help with the cost.

The Invoice got listed in TIMS as soon as FIRST acknowledged our acceptance.

It's still kind of late in our planning phase. Our fundraising cash reserves have already been allocated or earmarked, so it'll end up a more expensive trip for a fewer number of students, but the seniors are psyched. :yikes:

Our pit was empty last year as we tried out a minimalist pit to see what shipping to see what cost savings we could realize on shipping and local purchases. I think we'll be doing that again this year - maybe not so barebones this time though.:)

Mark McLeod 04-02-2010 12:23

Re: Registration 2010
 
Championship is at 157 teams now.

One conclusion I draw, from the fact that FIRST set a deadline of 48 hours to accept or decline, is that the waitlist (the serious teams on it) was around 30 teams long.

This doesn't count teams that may have decided not to accept due to the late notification.

In the past week around 20 Regionals have gone up or down a team, so final funding still seems to be an issue with ~1% of teams. However, this is funding for extra events, not original competitions.

~26% of non-Michigan teams are attending a second event.
99% of Michigan teams get a second event of course.

(Thought I'd finally shut up didn't you? :rolleyes: )

wendymom 04-02-2010 12:31

Re: Registration 2010
 
Not everyone on the waitlist was given an invite. So there is still a list of teams waiting to get in right?

Mark McLeod 04-02-2010 13:06

Re: Registration 2010
 
If you haven't received an invite yet, then I suppose with the stated 48 hours to respond, up to an estimated 130 teams could have received invites so far.

So the waitlist must be longer than I thought.

waialua359 04-02-2010 15:32

Re: Registration 2010
 
I bet some teams that got the invite are willing to go and can pay, but not in a 48 hour timeframe (commit to paying with a PO). Sort of like winning at a regional, but not being able to attend since the turnaround time for payment is short.

Pat Fairbank 04-02-2010 19:08

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 913277)
One conclusion I draw, from the fact that FIRST set a deadline of 48 hours to accept or decline, is that the waitlist (the serious teams on it) was around 30 teams long.

I have it reliably that the waitlist had 125 teams on it in November, although presumably more than a few teams have withdrawn from it by now if they haven't come up with funding.

Mark McLeod 13-04-2010 09:23

Re: Registration 2010
 
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Championship registration is now at 344 teams.
It climbed steeply through the Regional events of course as a new set of winners qualified each week.

I posted this list of where the teams are all from in the Championship sub-forum, but thought it should go here so it can be found more easily next season.

I've also attached a graph of just how the Championship registration proceeded this year.
FIRST didn't completely backfill from the waitlist to bring the early Championship attendees back up to the initial 175 advertized openings.
They only brought it back up to 162 accepted and registered team, then left it there for a month.

Championship Teams are from:
# Home
35 MI
29 CA
20 NJ
20 NY
17 FL
13 CT
13 Canada
13 WI
11 TX
10 GA
10 MA
10 PA
10 VA
9 IN
9 NH
8 MD
8 MO
7 HI
7 IL
7 MN
7 OH
6 Israel
6 SC
5 CO
5 OR
4 AZ
4 ID
4 OK
4 UT
3 NC
3 RI
3 WA
2 DC
2 IA
2 KS
2 LA
2 Mexico
2 MS
2 TN
2 WV
1 AL
1 AR
1 DE
1 ME
1 MT
1 ND
1 Australia
1 Brazil

rsisk 13-04-2010 10:21

Re: Registration 2010
 
Looks like someone was drawing the lower portion of Texas around January.

Why the plateau in the middle of March?


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