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Akash Rastogi 25-10-2009 01:29

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 879655)
As for NJ, we always wanted to come back but just decided on west coast and Arizona this time around.

*sniffles*

:'(

Oh well, maybe I'll just see you guys in Atlanta again?

waialua359 25-10-2009 01:48

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 879656)
*sniffles*

:'(

Oh well, maybe I'll just see you guys in Atlanta again?

We'll bring some mac nut chocolates to make it up to you folks. We just dont bring pineapples anymore since the airlines will kill us on checked baggage fees.

Karthik 25-10-2009 02:04

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 879660)
We'll bring some mac nut chocolates to make it up to you folks. We just dont bring pineapples anymore since the airlines will kill us on checked baggage fees.

Sign me up for some of the Macadamia Nut Chocolates. ;)

waialua359 25-10-2009 02:09

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 879662)
Sign me up for some of the Macadamia Nut Chocolates. ;)

Sure, no problem. All we ask is the collaboration spread a little farther west over the Pacific Ocean.:)
Nah, anything for the guy I finally got to meet behind that avatar.

delsaner 26-10-2009 10:16

Re: Registration 2010
 
1676 is registered for NJ and VA
:D

chepler0804 26-10-2009 12:07

Re: Registration 2010
 
Has anything been heard from FIRST regarding 3rd District Event registration?

ehochstein 26-10-2009 12:25

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 879368)
(also glad to see 2470 prepaid :D)

Wait, what exactly did we pre-pay for?

Chris is me 26-10-2009 12:47

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiifi (Post 879833)
Wait, what exactly did we pre-pay for?

I meant "Pre-pay" as in you've registered for the 2010 FIRST Championship in the preseason (as opposed to waiting until you qualified like you guys did last year).

Mark McLeod 26-10-2009 16:10

Re: Registration 2010
 
Random Stats:


1476 teams are now registered
  • 148 new rookies
  • 13 new "veterans" (51, 78, 1749, 1754, 1762, 1773, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2020, 2331, 2704, 2949)
  • 1 fake team
  • 9 returning veteran teams (5 of them have been gone 3 years and 1 has been out for 4 years)
    • 2566 Puerto Rico
    • 2049 Brazil
    • 1863 OK
    • 1695 MT
    • 1372 CA
    • 1065 FL
    • 1015 MI
    • 814 CA
    • 3171 NY
Areas ordered by # teams registered.
Code:

        Missing Gained Registered
CA      27      12        132
MI      18        5        121
NY      26        7        103
MN      15      10        76
TX      33        2        60
NJ      5        4        60
VA   7        5        57
WA      5        11        55
OK   7        9        50
IL      4        4        46
MA      12        4        44
MO      14        3        40
OH      13        12        40
PA      11        3        40
FL      7        4        39
CT      2        6        37
Canada-ON 24      1        34
AZ      9        4        32
IN      3        5        32
OR      4        5        29
WI      2        1        28
GA      6        4        26
NH      3        2        26
MD      2        2        26
CO      10        2        25
SC      3        0        20
KS      4        1        18
HI      10        0        14
NC      2        4        13
Israel  37        2        12
UT      1        8        12
MS      1        0        10
TN      1        4        10
NV      7        2        9
ID      2        2        9
LA      9        1        8
DC      8        1        8
AL   2        2        7
Brazil  0        0        7
PR      0        0        7
MT      1        2        6
ME      2        0        5
KY      1        1        4
ND      2        0        3
NM      1        0        3
WV      1        0        3
Canada-QC2        1        2
AK      1        0        2
IA      1        0        2
Mexico  1        1        2
RI      1        0        2
United Kingdom 1  0        2
VT        1        0        2
DE        0        0        2
WY        1        0        1
AR        0        0        1
Australia  0        1        1
Chile      0        0        1
GE          0        0        1
Netherlands 0        0        1
Turkey      0        0        1
Canada-BC  2        0        0
Canada-Alberta 1      0        0
Phillipines 1        0        0


Jared Russell 26-10-2009 16:27

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 879877)
Random Stats:


1476 teams are now registered
  • 148 new rookies
  • 13 new "veterans"
  • 1 fake team
  • 9 returning veteran teams
    • 2566 Puerto Rico
    • 2049 Brazil
    • 1863 OK
    • 1695 MT
    • 1372 CA
    • 1065 FL
    • 1015 MI
    • 814 CA
    • 3171 NY

What is a "fake" team?

Vikesrock 26-10-2009 16:34

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 879880)
What is a "fake" team?

This:
https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....ils&tpid=35293

Mark McLeod 26-10-2009 16:36

Re: Registration 2010
 
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There are scattered test teams strewn through the FIRST database, so when we get total teams back from a query it isn't always correct.

This year team 156 is an example. (Use Kevin's link. I'm posting an image because I no longer trust usfirst links to last until next year.)

P.S.
Waterloo is now at initial capacity (8am on 10/27)

GaryVoshol 26-10-2009 17:00

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 879877)
1015 MI

Yes! We get to hear Paul C introducing "Pi Hi Samurai"! Welcome back, guys.

Mark McLeod 27-10-2009 10:58

Re: Registration 2010
 
Here is where Regional registration stands after 2nd registration has settled.
Someone will want to know this next year.
Code:

Estimated    Estimated    Remaining                      10/27/2009
Full        Remaining    Initial      Initial       
Capacity    Capacity    Capacity    Capacity        Regional                                           
Week 1 (Mar 4-6)                               
52                    10                      0                        42              San Diego Regional                          42
65                    21                      0                        44              Washington DC Regional                      44
48                    10                      0                        38              Peachtree Regional                          38
48                    27                      17                      38                    Bayou Regional                                                            21
62                    10                      0                        52              Greater Kansas City Regional                52
48                    10                      0                        38              BAE Granite State Regional                  38
50                    10                      0                        40              Finger Lakes Regional                      40
64                    10                      0                        54              Autodesk Oregon Regional                    54
63                    10                      0                        53              New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7)              53
40                    7                        -8                      25              Traverse City District                      33
40                    7                        -8                      25              Kettering Univ. District                    33
Week 2 (Mar 11-13)                         
64                    18                      8                        54                    Arizona Regional                                                          46
64                    13                      3                        54                    Florida Regional                                                          51
36                    9                        -1                      26              WPI Regional                                27
64                    21                      11                      54                    Chesapeake Regional                                                    43
63                    22                      12                      53                    Wisconsin Regional                                                      41
64                    10                      0                        54              New York City Regional (Mar 12-14)          54
38                    11                      2                        29                    Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13)                                  27
40                    14                      -1                      25              Cass Tech District                          26
40                    12                      -3                      25              Ann Arbor District                    28
60                    47                      47                      60                    Israel Regional (Mar 14-16)                                          13
Week 3 (Mar 18-20)                         
52                    9                        -1                      42              Silicon Valley Regional                      43
54                    10                      0                        44              Midwest Regional                            44
40          8                        -2                      30              Boilermaker Regional                        32
64                    42                      32                      54                    St. Louis Regional                                                          22
54                    17                      3                        40                    Dallas Regional                                                            37
40                    10                      0                        30              Utah Regional                              30
64                    9                        -1                      54              Virginia Regional (formerly NASA/VCU)      55
40                    12                      -3                      25              Detroit District                            28
40                    3                        -12                    25              West Michigan District                      37
Week 4 (Mar 25-27)                             
30                    10                      0                        20              Waterloo Regional                          20
61                    13                      2                        50                    Los Angeles Regional                                                  48
48                    14                      4                        38                    Colorado Regional                                                        34
41                    25                      14                      30                    Hawaii Regional                                                            16
53                    10                      0                        43              Boston Regional                            43
47                    10                      0                        37              SBPLI Long Island Regional                  37
60                    10                      0                        50              Buckeye Regional                            50
64                    10                      0                        54              Oklahoma Regional                          54
44          10                      0                        34              Philadelphia Regional                      34
46                    20                      10                      36                    Palmetto Regional                                                        26
64                    13                      13                      64                    Microsoft Seattle Regional                                                        51
40                    6                        -9                      25              Troy District                              34
Week 5 (Apr 1-3)                                 
45                    10                      0                        35              Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1)          35
64                    40                      30                      54                    Greater Toronto Regional                                              24
60                    10                      0                        50              Connecticut Regional                        50
60                    10                      0                        50              Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional              50
60                    10                      0                        50              Minnesota North Star Regional              50
40                    14                      4                        30              North Carolina Regional                    26
50                    22                      13                      41                    Las Vegas Regional                                                      28
64                    22                      12                      54                    Lone Star Regional                                                        42


XaulZan11 27-10-2009 11:52

Re: Registration 2010
 
I've noticed that 121 hasn't signed up for any events. Anyone have any details?

Are there any other notable teams that haven't signed up yet or aren't competiting this year?

Mark McLeod 27-10-2009 11:54

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 880014)
I've noticed that 121 hasn't signed up for any events. Anyone have any details?

121 appears to have reinvented itself as 78 this year.

See post #69

Travis Hoffman 27-10-2009 12:17

Re: Registration 2010
 
At least one event has started to register teams off the waitlist. Both 48 and 2010 received notice of DC registration today.

XaulZan11 27-10-2009 12:51

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880015)
121 appears to have reinvented itself as 78 this year.

See post #69

Yeah, I am aware of 78, but posts 4 and 5 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=78494) make it seem that 121 would still be a team this year.

Mark McLeod 27-10-2009 13:24

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 880020)
At least one event has started to register teams off the waitlist. Both 48 and 2010 received notice of DC registration today.

Looks like DC moved 6 teams off the waitlist.

In my post of the Regional counts earlier, negative numbers indicate teams that have been moved off the waitlist. Onesies and twosies appear to be rookies, while large numbers seem to be everyone who was cooling their heels on the waitlist.
Since that posting DC, San Diego, 10K Lakes, and North Star have all moved additional teams off their waitlists.

A couple of regional team counts have also gone down as teams switched events or dropped out altogether.

P.S.
Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 880014)
Are there any other notable teams that haven't signed up yet or aren't competiting this year?

About 364 teams from last season are still missing from registration.
(9) from circa 1998, including 47, 65 & 121
(8) from 1999
(7) from 2000
(12) from 2001
(10) from 2002
(14) from 2003
(23) from 2004
(31) from 2005
(38) from 2006
etc.
See a general pattern here :)

Probably about half of those now missing won't return this season.
The other half are just late signing up, or are invisible on a waitlist somewhere.

Chris Fultz 27-10-2009 21:19

Re: Registration 2010
 
From the FIRST website, there are 1497 Registered Team so far.

This is a net reduction of about 180 teams from 2009.

With 148 new teams, and 22 returning teams (teams that did not compete in 2009), that means 372 (22%) of the 2009 teams are not yet in for 2010.

waialua359 28-10-2009 04:22

Re: Registration 2010
 
I'd bet its the economy.
Hawaii has just 2 out of State teams sign up so far. That is a huge drop in just its 3rd year.

ralcony 28-10-2009 06:55

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Yeah, I am aware of 78, but posts 4 and 5 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=78494) make it seem that 121 would still be a team this year.
I believe 121 is on the wait list for the GSR. I have heard rumblings that the GSR wait list is in the process of being reviewed so we should know soon :)

Jared Russell 28-10-2009 07:49

Re: Registration 2010
 
Could Mark, Chris, or anyone else post the list of veteran teams that have not registered yet? Just wondering.

Thanks!

Mark McLeod 28-10-2009 10:58

Re: Registration 2010
 
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It's not quite as bad as all that.
Although growth is down by maybe half under last year, certainly due to economic reasons.
We (Team 358) did chose WPI over DC because it's so much cheaper for us, so Glenn must be seeing similar fallout.

Registration (1501) is currently ahead of last year at this same time by about 8%, or you can think of it as being 10 days ahead of last year. Most of the gain over last year is actually due to veteran teams returning, rather than rookies.

I'll add the list of missing teams as an attachment to this post around lunchtime when I'll have some time away from work. I don't want to inadvertantly, through no fault of my own, qualify for the Autodesk signup...

Attached (now) is the list of 357 missing teams that played last year.
Based on one past report at this time, there are probably another ~30 teams that registered, but don't yet show up on the full list of teams.
Some, such as 10 Long Island teams, are just invisible because they are sitting on our local regional waitlist.

Of course other teams, e.g., Israel, are traditionally late in registering. Teams 47 and 65 are only there because they merged into a new team.

Here's what the chart looks like so far...

Jared Russell 28-10-2009 12:18

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thanks Mark.

yodameister 28-10-2009 12:41

Re: Registration 2010
 
Just based on a quick glance of the list, I see 100 rookie numbers from 2009...scary.

Richard Wallace 28-10-2009 12:51

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 879877)
148 new rookies

Quote:

Originally Posted by yodameister (Post 880182)
Just based on a quick glance of the list, I see 100 rookie numbers from 2009...scary.

Not every rookie team gets a 'rookie number'.

Mark, how does the pace of rookie registration for 2010 compare with recent years?

[I recall your 300 Spartans post one or two years ago. Will we see 300+ rookies this year?]

yodameister 28-10-2009 12:58

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 880187)
Not every rookie team gets a 'rookie number'.


Yeah, I knew that, that is why I said rookie number and not number of rookies.:)

Mark McLeod 28-10-2009 14:08

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 880187)
How does the pace of rookie registration for 2010 compare with recent years?

[I recall your 300 Spartans post one or two years ago. Will we see 300+ rookies this year?]

Does not look like FRC will make it to 300 new teams this year, just shy of it though.
Looks like it's midway between the '06 and '07 registration numbers.

That'd give us roughly 296 new teams this year, so maybe it'll peak at 300.

New teams at this same registration point in time:
  • 172 - 2009 (this year)
  • 220 - 2008 (final headcount 320)
  • 208 - 2007 (final headcount 317)
  • 130 - 2006 (final headcount 264)

Wayne C. 28-10-2009 15:48

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880204)
Does not look like FRC will make it to 300 new teams this year, just shy of it though.
Looks like it's midway between the '06 and '07 registration numbers.

That'd give us roughly 296 new teams this year, so maybe it'll peak at 300.

New teams at this same registration point in time:
  • 172 - 2009 (this year)
  • 220 - 2008 (final headcount 320)
  • 208 - 2007 (final headcount 317)
  • 130 - 2006 (final headcount 264)

Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back

rookie teams are like kids - making them is easy but raising them to maturity can kill you

JaneYoung 28-10-2009 15:52

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne C. (Post 880211)
Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back

While that may be true in general, I would like to know the status of many of the 2009 rookie teams that formed here in Texas and if they will be returning for the 2010 season.

Mark McLeod 28-10-2009 16:10

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne C. (Post 880211)
Of greater interest is how many veteran teams no longer come back

Registration of veterans to date is about even with this same time last year, give or take maybe 10 vets.
9 resurrected vets have returned so far this year.
The final count for missing vets over the past several years:
  • -165 in 2008 (last year)
  • -133 in 2007
  • -112 in 2006
Quote:

Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 880212)
I would like to know the status of many of the 2009 rookie teams that formed here in Texas and if they will be returning for the 2010 season.

I know you've been concerned about starting lots of new teams without an infrastructure to sustain them.

Texas is still missing 18 teams that were rookies last year, trailing other areas.
Last season there was only a single 2008 Texas rookie that didn't return.
Here are counts of just the 2009 rookies, by area, that haven't signed on for 2010 yet:
Code:

AL                1
AZ                2
CA                5
CO              1
CT                1
DC                4
GA              3
HI                2
ID                2
IL                  2
IN                1
IS                  14
LA                2
MA              2
MI                4
MN              6
MO              2
MS              1
NM              1
NY              6
OH              3
OK              3
ON              4
PA                1
PL                1
QC              1
TN                1
TX                18
WA              5
WI              1
WV              1


waialua359 28-10-2009 16:35

Re: Registration 2010
 
Our team is hosting a potential rookie teams workshop this weekend.
We're hoping to get about 7 new Hawaii FRC teams in the mix.
2024 is coming back under their old no. 1056.
We will be with them in Japan next week for a VEX tournament. ;)

On second thought, maybe teams are cutting back on long distance regionals they attend due to the economy.
The NASA grant is a great support for registration fees. I hope that continues indefinitely......

JaneYoung 28-10-2009 17:06

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thank you, Mark!
You rock.

Akash Rastogi 28-10-2009 18:39

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thanks for all this information Mark, it just gives even more backing to why I started EWCP last year (also caused by your data). Wayne is so right, right now rookie teams mean barely anything to me when I see how many veterans (some of them long time veterans) have not returned for the new season.

Thank you.

JVN 28-10-2009 19:14

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880216)
Texas is still missing 18 teams that were rookies last year, trailing other areas.
Last season there was only a single 2008 Texas rookie that didn't return.

Mark, it sounds like you're the man holding the data. Can you answer a few questions for me?
  • How many Texas teams were there in 2007, 2008, 2009?
  • How many Texas rookies were there in 2007, 2008, 2009? (2010 projected?)
  • How many Texas rookies returned in 2008? (You said only a single didn't return in 2009, and we're missing 18 so far for 2010...)
You're the man! Thanks in advance...

-John

Akash Rastogi 28-10-2009 22:05

Re: Registration 2010
 
Are there any spots that will be filled at Boston? I'm hoping to see Gael Force get a spot.

BrendanB 28-10-2009 22:15

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 880268)
Are there any spots that will be filled at Boston? I'm hoping to see Gael Force get a spot.

That will be interesting... they usually don't attend both GSR and Boston it has been one or the other so I hope they go to both. I want to see their robot more than once at a regional. :)

I take it that FIRST doesn't show who is on the waiting list at regionals correct?

Mark McLeod 28-10-2009 23:19

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN (Post 880240)
Can you answer a few questions for me?
  • How many Texas teams were there in 2007, 2008, 2009?
  • How many Texas rookies were there in 2007, 2008, 2009? (2010 projected?)
  • How many Texas rookies returned in 2008? (You said only a single didn't return in 2009, and we're missing 18 so far for 2010...)

I can't accurately project this year's # of Texas rookies from the small sample of data available.
In a normal year it looks like 7 rookies +/- 2 would be average.
I'd need a larger set or I'd have to know your region better.
Your Regional Director should have a good idea.
I'd imagine the press to recruit new teams dropped off after the huge increase in new teams exhausted your volunteers last year.


#teams = total
#rookies = new teams
#post-rookies = rookies the year before, who returned
#missing post-rookies = rookies from the year before who didn't return
Code:

        #teams  #rookies  #post-rookies  #missing post-rookies
2007      34          5              6                        2
2008      44          9              5                        0
2009      85        46              8                        1
2010      64          4              28                      18  (so far)


Richard Wallace 29-10-2009 05:59

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mark McLeod again."
There is power and beauty in the respectful presentation of data. Facts, like high art, are most easily appreciated when allowed to speak for themselves.

chepler0804 29-10-2009 11:26

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chepler0804 (Post 879830)
Has anything been heard from FIRST regarding 3rd District Event registration?

I received an email from FIRST in Michigan that third District Event registration for Michigan teams will open on December 2 at noon.

Mark McLeod 29-10-2009 11:30

Re: Registration 2010
 
You should probably post a copy of that email as a new thread in CDs
FIRST E-Mail Blast Archive so that important info. will reach more people.

Mark McLeod 30-10-2009 12:55

Re: Registration 2010
 
I finally took time for a closer look at our new teams so far.
This is just from looking at the team list and the schools/locales.

Everyone knows about:
51 - merger of 47 & 65
78 - from students & mentors of 121
Several other schools played before under other numbers.
  • 3146: was part of a 1997 pre-number team (I call it A197) (13 years ago)
  • 3135: was 1055 (6 years ago)
  • 3148 is at a school that was once part of teams 125 & 246
  • 3171 was 1019 (3 years ago)
  • 3200 was once both teams 1190 & 1338 (last participated 6 years ago)
  • 3165 was once both teams 452 & 1433 (6 years ago)
  • 3235 was 2431 last season
Other musings:
  • 3143 appears to be a sibling team of 1334 out of the same school
  • 2167 has generated several sister teams: 2003, 2006, 2020
  • 1754 appears to have just changed it's number from 1779
  • 2741 looks like it has split into 2704 (now associated with a school, but still with their old sponsor), and 2949 (still independent)
  • 3161 is a sibling team of 1334
  • 3262 appears to have been 1008 last year, but joined with another high school this year
So new teams aren't always new to FRC, and missing veteran teams aren't always lost.

Anyone know some interesting tidbits about local teams?

Zflash 30-10-2009 13:54

Re: Registration 2010
 
On the South Carolina Front 1618 is out for 2010 and is joining forces with 2815.

Mark McLeod 30-10-2009 15:26

Re: Registration 2010
 
I copied some wrong numbers earlier in the Texas team totals.
The total teams hailing from Texas were take from a subtotal column, instead of a totals column.
Here's the corrected version.
Sorry about that.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880288)
Code:

        #teams  #rookies  #post-rookies  #missing post-rookies
2007      35          5              6                        2
2008      45          9              5                        0
2009      91        50              8                        1
2010      64          4              32                      18  (so far)



Richard Wallace 30-10-2009 15:37

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880516)
Anyone know some interesting tidbits about local teams?

2902 (Team NYACK) has "Perseverance is a Virtue" for its motto. And with good cause.

This Boeing sponsored second year veteran team is based at Normandy High School in St. Louis.

2009 was their third rookie season.

Their second rookie season was 2003 as FRC 1210. (ref)

Their first rookie season was 1996, before FRC teams had permanent numbers. That team was sponsored by Emerson Electric and had participants from Cardinal Ritter College Prep and Normandy HS. (ref)

JaneYoung 30-10-2009 15:44

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880540)
I copied some wrong numbers earlier in the Texas team totals.
The total teams hailing from Texas were take from a subtotal column, instead of a totals column.
Here's the corrected version.
Sorry about that.

I received an e-mail saying that some of the FRC teams that also participate in BEST may wait until that competition is over before they register for their FRC event(s). 'One competition at a time' kind of thing. This is the last weekend for BEST competition for the Texas teams to qualify for our state competition in December, I believe. We should, hopefully, see the registration numbers improve. :)

Rock on, Texas teams!

Mark McLeod 02-11-2009 13:49

Re: Registration 2010
 
Made it past the 200 new team mark today.

81% of last year's teams have re-registered, leaving 19% still missing.
About 325 teams from last year haven't been heard from (not counting the teams we do know about that have merged or renumbered).
More total teams (1346) have now returned this year, than returned last year (1336).

14 past veterans teams have rejoined us (about normal results for the past decade) after being out of competition for:
  • (2) 1-yr
  • (1) 2-yrs
  • (6) 3-yrs
  • (1) 4-yrs
  • (3) 6-yrs
  • (1) 13-yrs
Projecting the registration curve it looks like net growth is close to 2004 (2005 season) percentages, maybe a 100 to 110 net team increase. Could be around 1780 teams this season after everything settles down by the time of the regional events.
2005 was a doldrum year with 6.6% overall growth. That's roughly what this year looks like too, we're seeing maybe half the double digit growth FRC has experienced over the past four seasons.

Chris_Elston 03-11-2009 00:48

Re: Registration 2010
 
Just curious on your missing teams data.

From Indiana I know of TWO teams that are "registered" but don't shown up on any regional list yet (in TIMS) because they are on a wait list for Boilermaker. They aren't registered for any other regional.

Are your numbers based on what you see in TIMS? If so, there maybe other teams like the Indiana teams that have only signed up for their local regional but stuck on a wait list. It would be nice if we could see the wait list teams. :-)

Mark McLeod 03-11-2009 09:29

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_Elston (Post 880943)
Are your numbers based on what you see in TIMS? If so, there maybe other teams like the Indiana teams that have only signed up for their local regional but stuck on a wait list. It would be nice if we could see the wait list teams. :-)

We have the same situation with 9 local teams on the SBPLI waitlist that do not show up on the TIMS database as registered yet.

The talleys I quote are taken purely from the reported TIMS numbers, so year-to-year comparisons remain somewhat constant and can be repeated by others without special knowledge being required. That way the news is always better than what I've been reporting.:)
Some waitlists have already been cleared by their Regional Directors (looks like: Seattle, DC, Minnesota, and all the Michigan district events have cleared their waitlists), while others keep teams languishing waiting to see which rookie teams form.

Mike Betts got a look at all the regional waitlists two year's ago at this same time and there were 33 teams event-wide that had registered but didn't show up.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=48

Based on the two teams you know about, it seems like Boilermaker has an estimated 5 slots remaining unclaimed in case anyone wants to sign up...

Chris_Elston 03-11-2009 17:38

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 880972)
Based on the two teams you know about, it seems like Boilermaker has an estimated 5 slots remaining unclaimed in case anyone wants to sign up...

The wait list for Boilermaker is 7-10 teams deep right now. Priority will go to the teams on wait list that have not signed up for any other regional yet. Will miss absent Indiana teams. :(

Richard Wallace 03-11-2009 20:20

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_Elston (Post 881026)
The wait list for Boilermaker is 7-10 teams deep right now. Priority will go to the teams on wait list that have not signed up for any other regional yet. Will miss absent Indiana teams. :(

I'm certain that teams who miss getting a spot at Boilermaker, and are still looking to compete that same weekend, will be welcome in St. Louis.

Indiana teams have done well there in past years. :)

IndySam 03-11-2009 20:52

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 881051)
I'm certain that teams who miss getting a spot at Boilermaker, and are still looking to compete that same weekend, will be welcome in St. Louis.

Indiana teams have done well there in past years. :)

We loved coming there until you guys moved the date.

Mark McLeod 05-11-2009 10:33

Re: Registration 2010
 
P.S.
Afternoon results:
Palmetto is now at initial capacity, probably no waitlist to speak of yet if you want to sign up.
P.P.S. Lone Star is also now (11-06-09, 9am) at initial capacity.

It appears we had a spurt of teams "join" in and the Minnesota waitlists were cleared around 11:00am Central time/noon Eastern time.

Both MN regionals are now at 62 teams each, and the number of registered Minnesota teams jumped from 91 to 101, so 10 were on the waitlist.
  • Total teams: 1616
  • Resurrected vets: 15
  • New teams: 208
  • Renumbered & merged teams: 3
  • Still one team that's not a team (that also takes up fake slots at BAE and Championship).
-----------------

Unrestricted Registration opens at noon today, so before that changes things here are the registration totals by location.
A bunch of the Missing teams are just late in registering, e.g., most Israeli teams usually show up just before registration closes, Texas is busy with the BEST competition. One Long Island team just registered yesterday, but won't show up because they are sitting on the SBPLI waitlist.

Registered = total
Missing = # teams that played last year, but don't yet show up on the TIMS rolls (these include at least a dozen teams we know about that are still on waitlists for probably their only regional).
New = includes rookies, new teams with veteran members, renumbered/merged teams too.
Resurrected Vets = teams that sat out a few years, some of them have gotten new rookie #'s, but aren't counted in the new team totals.
Code:

.                Registered    Missing        New      Resurrected Vets
AK                  3                                         
AL                  10              1          4         
AR                  1                                         
Australia            1                          1         
AZ                  36              7          6         
Brazil              7                                      1
CA                146              18          16          3
Canada-AB                            1                       
Canada-BC                            2                       
Canada-ON          40              18          1         
Canada-QC            2              2          1         
Chile                1                                         
CO                  26              9          1          1
CT                  37              2          5          1
DC                  12              5          2         
DE                  2                                         
FL                  39              6          3          1
GA                  28              5          5         
Germany              1                                         
HI                  19              6          1         
IA                  3                                         
ID                  11              1          3         
IL                  46              4          3          1
IN                  33              3          6         
Israel              15              35          3         
KS                  19              3          1         
KY                  5              1          2         
LA                  14              3          1         
MA                  45              12          5         
MD                  27              2          3         
ME                  6              1                       
Mexico              2              1          1         
MI                124              16          6          1
MN                  91              15          25         
MO                  44              11          4         
MS                  11              1          1         
MT                  6              1          2          1
NC                  14              1          4         
ND                  3              2                       
Netherlands          1                                         
NH                  26              3          2         
NJ                  61              5          5         
NM                  3              1                       
NV                  11              5          2         
NY                105              26          8          1
OH                  41              12          12         
OK                  51              6          9          1
OR                  32              2          5          1
PA                  41              10          3         
Phillipines                          1                       
PR                  7                                      1
RI                  3              1          2         
SC                  20              3                       
TN                  10              1          4         
Turkey              1                                         
TX                  72              26          7         
United Kingdom      2              1                     
UT                  13              1          9         
VA                  60              6          7         
VT                  3                                         
WA                  56              5          12         
WI                  28              2          1         
WV                  3              1                       
WY                  2              1          1       
 
Totals            1582            314        205        14

Here's where event registration stood as of 11/5/2009 at 9am.
I added a simple guess at the final capacity of each venue based on the initial capacity (some adjusted) plus a 10 slot reserve (15 for districts).
Some venues, e.g. DC, are capable of holding much more than my simple estimate, but all this is up to the Regional Directors and what their plans can handle.

None of this takes into account teams already on waitlists for many of these events, for instance, Boilermaker and SBPLI Long Island waitlists seem to be full.
Code:

Regional                        Current          Guesstimated
.                            Registration      Final Capacity    Remaining
 
Week 1 (Mar 4-6)                             
San Diego Regional                44                  52                8
Washington DC Regional            53                  54                1
Peachtree Regional                39                  48                9
Bayou Regional                    29                  48              19
Greater Kansas City Regional      52                  62              10
BAE Granite State Regional        38                  48              10
Finger Lakes Regional              40                  50              10
Autodesk Oregon Regional          56                  64                8
New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7)      54                  63                9
Traverse City District            33                  40                7
Kettering Univ. District          33                  40                7
 
Week 2 (Mar 11-13)                       
Arizona Regional                  52                  64              12
Florida Regional                  50                  64              14
WPI Regional                      27                  36                9
Chesapeake Regional                47                  64              17
Wisconsin Regional                46                  63              17
New York City Regional (Mar 12-14) 56                  64                8
Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13)    29                  38                9
Cass Tech District                26                  40              14
Ann Arbor District                30                  40              10
Israel Regional (Mar 14-16)        16                  60              44
 
Week 3 (Mar 18-20)                       
Silicon Valley Regional            46                  52                6
Midwest Regional                  44                  54              10
Boilermaker Regional              33                  40                7
St. Louis Regional                26                  64              38
Dallas Regional                    41                  50                9
Utah Regional                      31                  40                9
Virginia Regional                  56                  64                8
Detroit District                  28                  40              12
West Michigan District            37                  40                3
 
Week 4 (Mar 25-27)               
Waterloo Regional                  22                  30                8
Los Angeles Regional              54                  60                6
Colorado Regional                  34                  48              14
Hawaii Regional                    22                  40              18
Boston Regional                    42                  53              11
SBPLI Long Island Regional        37                  47              10
Buckeye Regional                  53                  60                7
Oklahoma Regional                  54                  64              10
Philadelphia Regional              34                  44              10
Palmetto Regional                  35                  46              11
Microsoft Seattle Regional        53                  64              11
Troy District                      34                  40                6
 
Week 5 (Apr 1-3)                             
Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1) 37                  45                8
Greater Toronto Regional          31                  64              33
Connecticut Regional              49                  60              11
Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional    57                  63                6
Minnesota North Star Regional      57                  63                6
North Carolina Regional            26                  36              10
Las Vegas Regional                35                  50              15
Lone Star Regional                51                  64              13


Mark McLeod 06-11-2009 17:54

Re: Registration 2010
 
Looks like Boston cleared their waitlist.

Arizona has reached its advertised capacity too.

I count 2245 slots filled by 1640 teams (including that one non-team:)).
That doesn't take account of the many remaining on waitlists of course.

If my math is close that means:
  • (1640) 1st regionals & districts
  • (169) Championship slots
  • (98) 2nd district slots (with 130 Michigan teams, that means 32 haven't signed up for a 2nd district event)
  • (338) 2nd (or 3rd) regionals
But those numbers are just off the cuff, so they need to be double-checked and verified.

Mark McLeod 12-11-2009 11:39

Re: Registration 2010
 
As of this morning registration (1682) officially passed last year's total teams (1677).
127 more teams than were registered at this time last season, and 20 days ahead of last year's signup.
Part of the latest increase has been due to waitlist releases, as well as, rookies finally signing up.
  • ~87% team retention so far (same as 2005's final tally), still missing 240 teams that played last year.
  • 19 returned schools that had a team before (2 to 13 years ago).
  • 227 new teams
Some of those new teams given low numbers have dropped out - 9 of those remain.

3351 from Israel is the highest team number so far.

Code:

      Resurrected teams
CA          3
FL            2
NY          2
Brazil      1
CO          1
CT            1
HI            1
IL            1
MI            1
MN          1
MT          1
OK          1
OR          1
PR            1
VA            1

Israeli teams are usually late for signup, so that number missing can be depended on to go down a lot.
Code:

                  Teams Missing from last season
Israel                  34
TX                      18
CA                      17
Canada-ON        16
NY                      14
OH                      11
MI                      10
MO                      9
CO                      8
PA                      7
AZ                      6
MA                      6
OK                      6
HI                        5
MN                      5
NV                      5
VA                      5
WA                      5
DC                      4
FL                      4
IL                        4
GA                      3
KS                      3
NH                      3
SC                      3
Canada-QC        2
LA                      2
ND                      2
NJ                      2
WI                      2
AL                      1
Canada-AB        1
Canada-BC        1
CT                      1
ID                        1
IN                        1
MD                      1
ME                      1
Mexico                1
MS                      1
MT                      1
NC                      1
NM                      1
OR                      1
Philippines        1
RI                        1
TN                      1
United Kingdom  1
UT                      1
WV                      1
WY                      1

Minnesota is winning the new team recruitment drive, and has broken the 100 team barrier, for 102 teams this year.
Code:

New Teams
MN                25
CA                20
TX                13
WA              12
OH                12
UT                11
OK                8
NY                8
VA                7
NC                7
MI                6
IN                6
GA                6
AZ                6
OR                5
NJ                5
MA                5
Israel            5
CT                5
TN                4
PA                4
IL                  4
AL                4
NH                3
MD                3
ID                3
FL                3
RI                2
NV                2
MT                2
MO              2
LA                2
KY                2
DC                2
CO                2
WY              1
WI                1
MS                1
Mexico        1
KS                1
HI                1
Canada-QC  1
Canada-ON  1
Australia      1

Four states now have in excess of 100 teams.
Code:

Total
CA                      151
MI                      131
NY                      118
MN                    102
TX                      86
NJ                      64
VA                      62
WA                    56
MA                    51
OK                      50
IL                      47
MO                    45
PA                      45
OH                      43
Canada-ON        42
FL                      42
CT                      38
AZ                      37
IN                      35
OR                      33
GA                      31
CO                      28
MD                    28
WI                      28
NH                      27
HI                      21
SC                      20
KS                      19
Israel                  18
NC                      17
LA                      16
UT                      15
DC                      13
ID                      11
MS                    11
NV                      11
AL                      10
TN                      10
Brazil                7
PR                      7
KY                      6
ME                      6
MT                      6
AK                      3
IA                      3
ND                      3
NM                    3
RI                      3
VT                      3
WV                    3
Canada-QC        2
DE                      2
Mexico              2
United Kingdom 2
WY                    2
AR                      1
Australia            1
Canada-BC        1
Chile                  1
Germany            1
Netherlands      1
Turkey                1


Mark McLeod 13-11-2009 21:05

Re: Registration 2010
 
A balance point of sorts has been reached:
230 new teams
vs
230 teams missing from last season
One will continue to decrease while the other increases.
It looks like we might break 1800 total teams this season.

We've surpassed 1994 in net number of teams gained (20) - all resurrected vets since the new and missing teams balance each other out. Of course, back then that represented a 76% increase, while for 2010 that's a 1.2% increase.

Team 121 has registered.

Of the lower number teams we are still missing:
  • 1997 rookie
    • 59 Miami, FL
  • 1998 rookie
    • 104 West Chester, PA
  • 1999 rookie
    • 284 Dimock, PA
  • 2000 rookies
    • 405 Richmond, VA
    • 406 Detroit, MI
  • 2001 rookies
    • 496 Port Jefferson, NY
    • 500 New London, CT
    • 549 Leominster, MA
    • 615 Washington, DC
    • 660 Round Rock, TX
    • 670 Cupertino, CA
There are 5 regionals that are only a team or two away from filling their initial capacity: Bayou, Chesapeake, Colorado, Hawaii, and Vegas

waialua359 13-11-2009 23:02

Re: Registration 2010
 
Yes,
It looks as though Hawaii will probably fill up.
We just added ours today.:D
Surprising not many West Coast teams this time around.

Mark McLeod 16-11-2009 17:36

Re: Registration 2010
 
Clarification on the 2010 Championship Wait List came out in an email blast (directed to teams already on the waitlist).
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...816#post882816

We're past 1700 teams.
Las Vegas reached published capacity too.

lynca 21-11-2009 00:20

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thanks for the great updates Mark !

The team list is growing quickly, we are now at 1736 teams.
Regional capacity is coming soon. Most all the events are waitlist registration.

St. Louis, Waterloo & GTR have the largest # of open spots.
Bayou and Wisconsin only have a handful of spots open.

Mark McLeod 21-11-2009 09:32

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thanks for posting Andrew, I got distracted by the FRC Records thread.

P.S. Bayou is now at advertised capacity (5pm, 11/21).

2359 competition slots are filled.

The Minnesota events are completely full, waitlisted teams now need someone to drop out before they can get in.
Dallas has squeezed in a few more than I guessed they would handle.

Don't forget Hawaii also has one published slot still open, plus probably 10 reserved spots.
Waterloo has one open capacity, but has changed to 26 slots available from it's original 20.

Israel too has a lot of spots remaining.
A half dozen Israel teams registered in just the past day.

Colorado and Chesapeake filled in just the last couple of days.

Actually, there are a few events (Kansas, WPI, Oklahoma) where teams have dropped out bringing the current total of players below the original published open capacity. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't teams salivating on and overflowing the waitlists.

Only 4 more working days for registration, since it closes a couple of days earlier than in past seasons.
I expect registration will be flat over the weekend and over the extended US Thanksgiving weekend, but rise sharply on the regular working days.

Michigan events still have their "2nd Registration" coming up on December 1, so expect a surge to fill the remaining open slots at the district events there.

After registration closes, teams remaining on waitlists will be moved off and will keep appearing on the registered rolls up through the middle of December.
After that teams start to dwindle off all the way up through the start of competition. The total registered typically drops by roughly 25 teams from the peak in mid-December.

1986titans 22-11-2009 00:16

Re: Registration 2010
 
Here are the eight missing Missouri teams:

Code:

Ballwin, MO USA          Parkway West High School          1609
Kansas City, MO USA          DeLaSalle Education Center          1776
Independence , MO USA          Van Horn High School                  1981
Raytown, MO USA          Raytown South High School          1992
Blue Springs , MO USA        Blue Springs High School        1996
Maryville, MO USA          Missouri Academy of Science, Mathematics, and Computing          2167
Independence, MO USA          Fort Osage High School          2366
Kansas City, MO USA          East High School                  2799

1609 - Missed 2007 and 2008 seasons before returning last year.
1981 - I am fairly certain it was combined with 1723. The school and most of the students switched districts after the team was created, and 1723 carries the district name.
1992 - Combined with 1782?
1996 - Combined with 1785, which has changed it's affiliation to "Blue Springs School District" to reflect this.
2167 - When registration opened for KC, there were three or four teams registered to this school, at least. All have since been removed.
2799 - "Van Horn @ East High School" opened up last year because KC needed a place to put the kids that were affected by the boundary change that affected 1981.

Edit: Ones missing from KC confirmed to not be participating this year per KC FIRST list: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=78490&page=11

vhcook 22-11-2009 14:16

Re: Registration 2010
 
1776 has folded due to the lead teacher changing schools.

Foster 22-11-2009 17:39

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

1998 rookie
* 104 West Chester, PA
According to one of the mentors, Team 104 will not be fielding a robot this year.

Mark McLeod 26-11-2009 13:42

Re: Registration 2010
 
Okay, it's Thanksgiving. I'm waiting for a turkey to cook. It's too wet out to rake leaves. Everyone arrived home early in the morning, so they're mostly still asleep, and I need something to keep me busy.

Registration closes in four days, except Michigan third event registration opens on December 2.
  • 1757 total teams showing (1758 if we count fake team 156)
  • 248 rookies (vs. 320 last year)
  • 189 missing teams from last season (26 more than last year)
  • 21 defunct vets have returned (equal to last year)
  • 90% retention rate of veteran teams is in line with the preceeding decade
  • 4.8% net gain
Teams are registered for:
  • (1758) 1st events (including districts - & 1 fake team entry)
  • (360) 2nd Regionals
  • (106) 2nd District events (27 MI teams apparently are not on a list for a 2nd district event)
  • (168) Championship (1 fake entry)
Regional and district teams lists are in steady flux, rising and falling by 1 or 2 teams.
DC just pulled a bunch off their waitlist and are now showing 59.

Here are some subtotals:

5 areas show double-digit losses in teams. Israel is probably just late registering as usual.
Code:

Missing from last season
16 --- Israel
15 --- CA
14 --- TX
12 --- NY
11 --- OH
9 ---- Canada-ON
8 ---- MI
8 ---- MO
7 ---- PA
6 ---- AZ
6 ---- CO
6 ---- MA
6 ---- OK
5 ---- HI
5 ---- MN
5 ---- NV
4 ---- FL
4 ---- IL
4 ---- WA
3 ---- DC
3 ---- KS
3 ---- VA
2 ---- GA
2 ---- ND
2 ---- NJ
2 ---- SC
2 ---- WI
1 ---- AL
1 ---- Canada-BC
1 ---- CT
1 ---- ID
1 ---- IN
1 ---- LA
1 ---- ME
1 ---- Mexico
1 ---- MS
1 ---- MT
1 ---- NC
1 ---- NM
1 ---- OR
1 ---- Philippines
1 ---- TN
1 ---- United Kingdom
1 ---- UT
1 ---- WV
1 ---- WY

Minnesota is leading in new team recruitment.
Code:

New Teams
26 --- MN
21 --- CA
19 --- TX
13 --- OH
12 --- WA
11 --- UT
10 --- VA
8 ---- NY
8 ---- OK
7 ---- Israel
7 ---- MI
7 ---- NC
6 ---- AZ
6 ---- GA
6 ---- IN
5 ---- FL
5 ---- IL
5 ---- MA
5 ---- NJ
5 ---- OR
4 ---- CT
4 ---- PA
4 ---- TN
3 ---- AL
3 ---- ID
3 ---- MD
3 ---- NH
2 ---- Canada-ON
2 ---- Canada-QC
2 ---- CO
2 ---- KY
2 ---- LA
2 ---- Mexico
2 ---- MO
2 ---- MT
2 ---- NV
2 ---- RI
2 ---- WI
2 ---- WY
1 ---- Australia
1 ---- DC
1 ---- HI
1 ---- KS
1 ---- MS
1 ---- SC

Code:


Total Teams
155 --- CA
134 --- MI
120 --- NY
103 --- MN
96 ---- TX
67 ---- VA
64 ---- NJ
57 ---- WA
51 ---- MA
50 ---- Canada-ON
50 ---- OK
48 ---- IL
46 ---- MO
45 ---- PA
44 ---- FL
44 ---- OH
39 ---- Israel
37 ---- AZ
37 ---- CT
35 ---- IN
33 ---- OR
32 ---- GA
30 ---- CO
30 ---- NH
29 ---- MD
29 ---- WI
22 ---- SC
21 ---- HI
19 ---- KS
17 ---- LA
17 ---- NC
15 ---- UT
13 ---- DC
11 ---- ID
11 ---- MS
11 ---- NV
10 ---- TN
9 ---- AL
7 ---- Brazil
7 ---- PR
6 ---- KY
6 ---- ME
6 ---- MT
5 ---- Canada-QC
4 ---- RI
3 ---- AK
3 ---- IA
3 ---- Mexico
3 ---- ND
3 ---- NM
3 ---- VT
3 ---- WV
3 ---- WY
2 ---- DE
2 ---- United Kingdom
1 ---- AR
1 ---- Australia
1 ---- Canada-AB
1 ---- Canada-BC
1 ---- Chile
1 ---- Germany
1 ---- Netherlands
1 ---- Turkey

Here are event registration details.
(black text indicates the event is not yet at the wait list point)
Code:

  Week 1 (Mar 4-6)
  44 ---- San Diego Regional
  59 ---- Washington DC Regional
  44 ---- Peachtree Regional
  38 ---- Bayou Regional
  49 ---- Greater Kansas City Regional
  44 ---- BAE Granite State Regional (1 fake team entry-team 156)
  41 ---- Finger Lakes Regional
  57 ---- Autodesk Oregon Regional
  56 ---- New Jersey Regional (Mar 5-7)
  37 ---- Traverse City District
  33 ---- Kettering Univ. District
 
  Week 2 (Mar 11-13)
  55 ---- Arizona Regional
  55 ---- Florida Regional
  26 ---- WPI Regional
  54 ---- Chesapeake Regional
  49 ---- Wisconsin Regional
  61 ---- New York City Regional (Mar 12-14)
  29 ---- Pittsburgh Regional (Mar 12-13)
  32 ---- Cass Tech District
  34 ---- Ann Arbor District
  41 ---- Israel Regional (Mar 14-16)
 
  Week 3 (Mar 18-20)
  48 ---- Silicon Valley Regional
  46 ---- Midwest Regional
  35 ---- Boilermaker Regional
  32 ---- St. Louis Regional
  52 ---- Dallas Regional
  33 ---- Utah Regional
  61 ---- Virginia Regional
  32 ---- Detroit District
  34 ---- West Michigan District
 
  Week 4 (Mar 25-27)
  26 ---- Waterloo Regional
  57 ---- Los Angeles Regional
  38 ---- Colorado Regional
  27 ---- Hawaii Regional
  49 ---- Boston Regional
  45 ---- SBPLI Long Island Regional
  55 ---- Buckeye Regional
  53 ---- Oklahoma Regional
  37 ---- Philadelphia Regional
  37 ---- Palmetto Regional
  55 ---- Microsoft Seattle Regional
  37 ---- Troy District
 
  Week 5 (Apr 1-3)
  37 ---- Sacramento Regional (Mar 31-Apr 1)
  49 ---- Greater Toronto Regional
  51 ---- Connecticut Regional
  62 ---- Minnesota 10000 Lakes Regional
  63 ---- Minnesota North Star Regional
  31 ---- North Carolina Regional
  41 ---- Las Vegas Regional
  63 ---- Lone Star Regional

  n/a ---- Michigan State Championship  
  239 ---- Michigan District event totals
  133 ---- Michigan team total

  168 ---- FIRST Championship (1 fake team entry-team 156)
 
  1758 ---- Total Teams
  2392 ---- Event totals


Chris is me 26-11-2009 19:15

Re: Registration 2010
 
It's good to see despite a seeming overabundance of teams last year in MN (60), only 5 have folded. That's a good retention rate, seems MN's creating fairly sustainable teams.

Mark McLeod 27-11-2009 13:55

Re: Registration 2010
 
1 Attachment(s)
Just saw that team 0 has registered :eek:
Somebody might want to fix that...

ATannahill 27-11-2009 14:29

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 884443)
Just saw that team 0 has registered :eek:
Somebody might want to fix that...

Team Nickname-2

Canadians just have to mess everything up.

Karibou 27-11-2009 21:27

Re: Registration 2010
 
Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

Akash Rastogi 27-11-2009 21:40

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 884473)
Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

ba dum ching

*face palm at PaW*

PaW 27-11-2009 23:13

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 884473)
Now, if that team were to split...would it be dividing by zero?

Oh no! That team already exists!

lynca 30-11-2009 22:42

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 884358)
1757 total teams showing

We are at 1790 teams now, I'm surprised how many teams registered in the last few days. Christmas has started early !

Mark McLeod 01-12-2009 21:22

Re: Registration 2010
 
A second team from Turkey registered today.
Team 3390 is from Ankara.

The missing Israeli teams dropped to 8.

Over the next week I expect the total count will rise above 1800, then fall back below it again continuing to retract over the next month or two as FIRST works with teams to get them on-board. It'll probably end up somewhere around 1780 teams for a net gain of a little more than 100 over last year.

Over the weekend FIRST added about 5 new team 0's, before the staff came back from the US Thanksgiving holiday and fixed those.

I count 4 Michigan teams that are also attending regionals out-of-state- 49, 217, 288, 815.

P.S. 4 more new Michigan teams have joined us.

Raul 03-12-2009 20:54

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 885123)
... I count 4 Michigan teams that are also attending regionals out-of-state- 49, 217, 288, 815. ...

You missed at least 1. 216 is registered for Wisconsin along with 288.

Mark McLeod 04-12-2009 08:55

Re: Registration 2010
 
Sorry, about that.
I'm serving on jury duty for several weeks and I've been out of touch and a little rushed.

Doesn't seem to be any movement yet on the Michigan 3rd district signups.
At least no more teams have been added to the event team lists.

Registration has coasted up to 1808 right now.

FIRST noticed that fake team 156 and removed it, so the Championship list now reflects the actual 166 teams signed up, and BAE dropped by 1 when they lost that fake team.

Mark McLeod 05-12-2009 11:29

Re: Registration 2010
 
Up to 1817 now.
We are missing the same number of veteran teams that we lost last year (163), which actually puts the retention rate up ~1% over last season.

1514 teams have returned from last year. Right now retention, at 91.7% (adjusted to include 24 returnees), is the second best it has been in the history of FRC. Only 2003 had a higher retention rate (92%).

There are 279 new teams (including 51).

There are three teams from Turkey now: 2905 and rookies 3390 & 3406.

Looks like a bunch of events moved teams off their wait lists too.

ehochstein 05-12-2009 13:41

Re: Registration 2010
 
Thats great! Even through a recession we can retain teams at a high rate! It shows that maybe people are starting to get that we need Science and Technology education even more than before.

Trent B 05-12-2009 15:28

Re: Registration 2010
 
Minnesota's numbers have officially blown up in the past few years, they went from just a handful to over 100 (4th largest state IIRC) in 3 years.

Great to see we will have 125 teams converging on the U this year.

Mark McLeod 08-12-2009 17:58

Re: Registration 2010
 
26 events updated their attendance lists today, pulling teams off the wait lists.
St. Louis dropped their open capacity to the current 35 teams. They still had almost 20 additional slots advertised before that.
Israel has almost filled up with only 4 open slots showing.
A smattering of other events show one or two open spaces.

No change in the Michigan lists reflecting any team 3rd events yet.
They did add one more team though for 138.

1824 teams showing.
If it follows past history the overall team list could continue climbing for a couple of more days until the fallout from teams not able to raise last minute funds start to decimate a handful of hopefuls.
  • 279 new teams
  • 1520 returnees
  • 25 resurrected vets
  • 157 teams missing
  • 8.8% net growth as it currently stands
  • 8% team loss
New teams include: 51, 78, 1749, 1754, 2000, 2704, 2949, and numbers 3123 and higher.

Resurrected vets include: 751, 814, 1015, 1056, 1065, 1221, 1372, 1457, 1610, 1695, 1863, 1949, 1951, 2049, 2203, 2213, 2232, 2566, 2598, 3135, 3146(last played 13 years ago before team numbers were assigned), 3165, 3171, 3200, 3332.
Some of these teams have chosen to take new numbers.

Mark McLeod 15-12-2009 10:48

Re: Registration 2010
 
I'm back from several weeks of jury duty and can now return to this...

Registration reached a peak of 1826 teams 9 days after registration officially closed and is now gradually being whittled down as teams drop out due to lack of funds/students/mentors/administration support. A few new teams add-in regularly too.

It's drifted down to 1815 currently and will probably drift gradually lower all the way up to regionals. It bobs up and down one or two every day. (It's bobbing today everytime I go look: 1816, 1815, 1817, 1820,...)
A lot more is happening that the total reflects. For instance, on Monday the team total dropped from 1822 teams down to 1816. What happened was 6 new or returning teams added in, while 12 registered teams dropped out, so there was actually an 18 team turnover - pretty volatile.

It's sad when teams pay the fee and get the KOP only to fail to field a robot after all, through lack of mentors, students, or just enthusiasm and the required basic drive to get things done. We had a team from NYC that always comes to the LI Regional and last year while they were registered, they never showed up. They're registered to play again this year, so I'm hoping for the best.

Mark McLeod 16-12-2009 15:23

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Both Hawaii and Wisconsin events reached their initial capacity today.
Only Israel (5 open slots) and St. Louis haven't met their original targets.
Of course, most events now have more than their original capacity after drawing down the wait lists.

Here's a summary graph just showing when all the other events filled up and went to waitlists.

Mark McLeod 21-12-2009 15:45

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An interesting statistic came up in this How Many teams Attend 2 Regionals? thread.

For 2010:
  • 27% of non-MI teams are signed up to attend 2+ Regionals
This doesn't include Championship or Michigan teams, mostly because those numbers are far from settled yet.

I became interested in how this compared to last season and it appears to be a 16% deviation from where it should be, probably due to the economic downturn.

For 2009:
  • 28% of non-MI teams attended 2+ Regionals
  • 38% of non-MI teams attended 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
  • 42% of all teams attended 2+ events (including Michigan teams, MI State event & Championship)
For 2008 (reworked these to be comparable to '09 numbers by removing MI teams):
  • 25% of non-MI teams attended 2+ Regionals
  • 32% of non-MI teams attended 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
  • 34% of all teams attended 2+ events (including Michigan teams & Championship)
For 2008 if we keep everyone lumped together 27% of all teams attended 2+ Regionals, excluding the Championship.

The Michigan experiment changed the % of MI teams going to multiple events from 58% in 2008 before the district model to 99% in 2009 with the district model.

Jon236 21-12-2009 16:12

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 888375)
I'm back from several weeks of jury duty and can now return to this...

I've served twice and only did a week each time. You must have gotten picked for a doozy. So tell us about the trial..........

Mark McLeod 21-12-2009 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon236 (Post 889710)
I've served twice and only did a week each time. You must have gotten picked for a doozy. So tell us about the trial..........

This was a criminal case with a lot of medical testimony. It wasn't a pleasant experience, as it involved brain damage to a 16 month old. I had to explain "angular momentum" during deliberations.:(

I've served in two states, 7 or 8 times on criminal and civil cases. I've never served on a grand jury though. For some reason I've never been rejected by either the prosecution or defense, no matter how I answer their questions. This last time I was definitely preselected, because both sides skipped over me when questioning the pool of prospective jurors. They went through 80 potentials to get 12 and 2 alternates.

Mark McLeod 04-01-2010 12:48

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Registration is at 1812 teams as of today.
There are still a few teams coming and going across the board.

Over the holidays most of the Michigan event lists got fleshed out.
Just 2 teams show only single district events (2153 & 2617).
19 teams are signed up for three district events.

Here are the semi-final percentages of teams going to multiple regionals
for 2010 (about a 6% decrease overall compared to last year):
  • 26% of non-MI teams will attend 2+ Regionals
  • 31% of non-MI teams will attend 2+ events if we add-in the Championship
  • 36% of all teams will attend 2+ events (including Michigan teams & Championship)
Overall:
283 new teams
1508 returnees
21 resurrected vets
169 teams missing
8.1% net growth as it currently stands
9% team loss

Teams from 12 countries: US, Canada, Israel, Brazil, United Kingdom, Mexico, Turkey, Australia, Bosnia, Chile, Germany, Netherlands


Here is the net gain (new teams - lost teams) for different areas:
Code:

MN --------------- 23
TX --------------- 14
UT --------------- 11
WA --------------- 10
NC ---------------- 7
Canada-QC --------- 6
MI ---------------- 6
VA ---------------- 6
CA ---------------- 5
IN ---------------- 5
MD ---------------- 4
OR ---------------- 4
CT ---------------- 3
GA ---------------- 3
NH ---------------- 3
NJ ---------------- 3
OH ---------------- 3
TN ---------------- 3
AL ---------------- 2
AZ ---------------- 2
ID ---------------- 2
KY ---------------- 2
RI ---------------- 2
Turkey ------------ 2
WI ---------------- 2
Australia --------- 1
Bosnia ------------ 1
Canada-NC --------- 1
CO ---------------- 1
FL ---------------- 1
Israel ------------ 1
LA ---------------- 1
Mexico ------------ 1
MS ---------------- 1
MT ---------------- 1
OK ---------------- 1
WY ---------------- 1
DC ---------------- 0
MA ---------------- 0
DE ---------------- 0
AK ---------------- 0
AR ---------------- 0
Brazil ------------ 0
Canada-AB --------- 0
Chile ------------- 0
Germany ----------- 0
IA ---------------- 0
Netherlands ------- 0
VT ---------------- 0
HI --------------- -1

IL --------------- -1
KS --------------- -1
NM --------------- -1
Philippines ------ -1
SC --------------- -1
United Kingdom --- -1
WV --------------- -1
Canada-BC -------- -1
ME --------------- -1
ND --------------- -2
PA --------------- -2
NV --------------- -3
PR --------------- -3
Canada-ON -------- -4
MO --------------- -5
NY --------------- -6


johnr 04-01-2010 13:19

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I was wondering, out of the 168 teams that are missing, how many were 1st and/or 2nd year teams? Does First do a follow up as to why they are not on board? My guess would be that one time grants to start a team dried up in the majority of cases.

Mark McLeod 04-01-2010 14:32

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Here's the breakdown of this year's lost teams grouped by years of experience.
Note that teams 47 & 65 are mixed in here even though they didn't really go away, just merged.

The cause isn't always money though, especially for newish teams.
The program can be quite hard on team leaders who are often new teachers swamped by conflicting responsibilities.
FIRST would need an exit interview-type of study to categorize the reasons.

Code:

Years          # Teams   
Experience
1                    41   
2                    37   
3                    30   
4                    11   
5                    17   
6                    7   
7                    10   
8                    5   
9                    3   
10                    2   
11                    2   
12                    1   
13                    2   
14                    1


johnr 04-01-2010 16:01

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Thanks for that quick response. Looks like money to me for first two years. Years 3,4,5 would probably be that first group of students moving on. I wonder what the 7th year spike is? Mentor burnout? I guess First would have to look back a few years to see if % is the same over time.

Schmoebot 04-01-2010 20:17

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We are having problems verifying registration for FTC, Madison High School in San Diego, for January 16, 2010. Does anyone know if it is TIMS or if California FTC events have been canceled? All three California FTC events show "PENDING", even the one that is passed.

Absent that, does anyone have contact information for the Madison High School FTC team that is hosting the event?

Please e-mail WHSrobotics@aol.com

Thank you!

1986titans 04-01-2010 20:52

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TIMS was having problems over the weekend (Related thread).

lynca 05-01-2010 00:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 892819)
Here is the net gain (new teams - lost teams) for different areas:
Code:

MN --------------- 23
TX --------------- 14
UT --------------- 11
WA --------------- 10


I want to learn more about the top 4 growth states.

Minnesota - your growth number is outstanding, please share your secrets !
Texas - money and size is a good combination
Utah - New regional, team growth is expected
Washington - Very steady growth over the years, very impressive.

Anyone else have more details about the reasons for growth in these states ?

Madison 05-01-2010 01:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lynca (Post 893045)
I want to learn more about the top 4 growth states.

Minnesota - your growth number is outstanding, please share your secrets !
Texas - money and size is a good combination
Utah - New regional, team growth is expected
Washington - Very steady growth over the years, very impressive.

Anyone else have more details about the reasons for growth in these states ?

ETA: Re: Washington

This year and last, thanks to the efforts of team 1318 and others, there has been ~$150,000 available annually through the state's Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction to schools participating in FRC. They provide, as I recall, $8,000 to rookie teams and a varying sum to veterans based upon need.

Akash Rastogi 05-01-2010 01:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Madison (Post 893052)
ETA: Re: Washington

This year and last, thanks to the efforts of team 1318 and others, there has been ~$150,000 available annually through the state's Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction to schools participating in FRC. They provide, as I recall, $8,000 to rookie teams and a varying sum to veterans based upon need.

I wish New Jersey didn't have a billion dollar deficit. That's pretty awesome that these states are able to expand FRC. Let's hope they keep it up :)

Madison 05-01-2010 01:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 893054)
I wish New Jersey didn't have a billion dollar deficit. That's pretty awesome that these states are able to expand FRC. Let's hope they keep it up :)

We're in the hole just like everyone else. Our legislature just decided to take $150,000 away from something else, I suppose.

Mark McLeod 05-01-2010 11:25

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So Washington and Texas have government funding to stimulate the program.
What about Texas before this year's announcement of funding? You had a great growth rate last year too.

I wonder who's behind and funding the Utah expansion?

P.S. There have also been other areas, eg. Kansas City, experiencing growth spurts due to an economic shot in the arm by a champion of the FIRST program. Those stories would be nice to collect too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnr (Post 892878)
I guess First would have to look back a few years to see if % is the same over time.

This particular data is at my fingertips. It's just a matter of reformatting it for the forum.
I could take it back to 1993 when 50% of the teams dropped out and they all had one year of experience. :rolleyes:
The more difficult part is correlating the dropout rate to external economic or political events, such as Washington state's $150,000 STEMulus.

2005 was a year hard hit by team losses. It lost 13% of veteran teams.
All the other years I list here represent yearly losses of 8-9%, which is average for the past decade.

Teams lost in 2009, by years of experience:
Code:

Yrs Exp. # Teams   
1              56   
2              34   
3              23   
4              13   
5              7   
6              8   
7              7   
8              5   
9              4   
10              1   
11              2   
12              1   
14              1

Teams lost in 2008, by years of experience:
Code:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1              33
2              35
3              13
4              22
5              15
6                5
7                6
8                2
10              1
12              1

Teams lost in 2007, by years of experience:
Code:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1              28
2              14
3              20
4              19
5              16
6                7
7                4
8                2
9                1
10              1

Teams lost in 2006, by years of experience:
Code:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1              27
2              24
3              16
4              12
5                8
6                6
7                4
8                2
9                1
10              1
12              1

Teams lost in 2005, by years of experience:
Code:

Yrs Exp # Teams
1              42
2              43
3              27
4                6
5                5
6                5
7                3
8                2
9                1

P.S.
I should have just slapped it all into a spreadsheet so you can manipulate it if you want.

jennifer_1547 12-01-2010 18:25

Re: Registration 2010
 
team 1547 wheres waldo will be going to manchester and the greater toronto regional this year :)

Mark McLeod 20-01-2010 14:14

Re: Registration 2010
 
The January 15 payment deadline has passed.
In the days since, 19 events have had changes in their team lists.

Championship is down to 129 registered teams. 46 teams who originally signed up dropped the event. That's more than a quarter of the teams who signed up.

1810 teams are registered for this season.

Karthik 20-01-2010 20:24

Re: Registration 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 903136)
Championship is down to 129 registered teams. 46 teams who originally signed up dropped the event. That's more than a quarter of the teams who signed up.

Does anyone have any idea when they're letting the waitlisted teams into the Championship? I know they originally said mid March, but considering that there are 46 newly created spots it seems rather ridiculous to not let teams in at this point. (This is coming from someone who's team is already on the registered list)

waialua359 20-01-2010 22:16

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Just as important, why did 46 teams sign up for championship and drop out in such a relatively short period of time.
I can understand things that come up for a few teams here and there, but 46?
Echoing the same concerns as teams need time to decide and plan if they want and can attend.

Why wait til midMarch?

Foster 20-01-2010 22:38

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I'd guess that it's financial. Our funds are down this year, and from what others have said it's tough to get sponsors. We are doing all we can (why yes, I'd be happy to take your spare change, Thanks!) to keep our team moving forward.

We talked about registering for Atlanta, but passed since we didn't think we could raise the money to go. Others may have been more optimistic about raising the funds.

I'd like to see FIRST open up the wait list for teams now, the difference between a $300 airline ticket on a 30+ day reservation vs a $1000 ticket 10 days in advance is a huge cost difference for teams.


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