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Chris Fultz 01-10-2009 12:21

Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Cyber Blue is excited to be attending the 2010 Kansas City Regional!

Aren_Hill 01-10-2009 14:56

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
As is Winnovation first time out and i sense many wizard of oz jokes in the future

jspatz1 01-10-2009 19:08

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 876372)
As is Winnovation first time out and i sense many wizard of oz jokes in the future

Glad to see you are coming, I am a big Winnovation fan. Don't mean to put a damper on the Oz jokes, but just to clarify, the regional is in Missouri, not Kansas.

MadeAtMidnight 01-10-2009 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 876420)
Glad to see you are coming, I am a big Winnovation fan. Don't mean to put a damper on the Oz jokes, but just to clarify, the regional is in Missouri, not Kansas.

That's why we can come by school bus :eek: , (since Missouri is adjacent to IL -- wouldn't be able to take a bus to Kansas)
Looking forward to coming!

EOC 02-10-2009 08:01

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
The Greater Kansas City Regional was fantastic last in 2009, the addition of Winnovation will make it even better in 2010! The Metool Brigade is looking forward to it!

RMiller 02-10-2009 15:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MadeAtMidnight (Post 876450)
That's why we can come by school bus :eek: , (since Missouri is adjacent to IL -- wouldn't be able to take a bus to Kansas)
Looking forward to coming!

Now that is funny. So you can go to KC, but not Minneapolis which is close to two hours closer!

Chexposito 02-10-2009 20:50

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We're looking forward to seeing and competing with Winnovation and Cyber Blue again on a Regional level.

Aren_Hill 14-10-2009 12:58

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Due to the fun scheduling of midwest area events, we have transferred into week 3 midwest regional in chicago which is our closest regional and for logistical reasons it would be silly of us not to attend. The largest reason being the ease of getting new parents and school faculty to a regional. The previous hope was we'd register for Kansas City and pick midwest up 2nd round, but Midwest was almost out of spots.

Currently we do plan to attend Kansas City as well, just have to hope spots stay open till the 22nd.

Hope to see ya there

waialua359 14-10-2009 19:59

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We were so intent on attending since 2008, but the scheduling always changed and couldnt attend.
One day!

Aren_Hill 22-10-2009 12:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 878263)
Currently we do plan to attend Kansas City as well, just have to hope spots stay open till the 22nd.

Hope to see ya there

And we're back in! :]

oooh bomb squad too sweet and 135

MadeAtMidnight 22-10-2009 13:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aren_Hill (Post 879278)
And we're back in! :]

Yeah!!

Cartwright 25-10-2009 21:42

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I was just looking at the list, and I saw that Blue Valley, team 2334, will be attending. What friendly numbers!

1986titans 28-11-2009 16:40

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Hmmm... there's only one rookie team registered for KC this year. If no one else is added to the tournament, this will be the smallest one in KC so far.

Chris Fultz 24-02-2010 16:59

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Each year at the IRI (Indiana Robotics Invitational), there is a charity auction to benefit local (Indianapolis area) charities. We focus on groups that serve children and families and have donated to The American Cancer Society, The Red Cross, Food Pantries, Hospitals and Developmental Learning facilities to name a few.

One of the items that always gets a high bid is the FIRST Team T-Shirt quilt, which is hand made from donated t-shirts.

We will have a box in our pit (Cyber Blue - 234) to collect t-shirts if you would like to donate one for the 2010 IRI quilt. Any size shirt is fine.

Thanks in advance and see you in KC!

frogkarateg 24-02-2010 17:22

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That is a very cool idea. I like it.

rbrown1 27-02-2010 20:07

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Team Driven is looking forward to a great competition next week at the Kansas City Regional. The weather is to be in th 40's with possibilty of ran on Friday. Much better than the snow last year. Good Luck to everyone and safe travel to all those coming to the KC.

cnepo 27-02-2010 21:20

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Team 868 (TechHOUNDS) from Indiana is extremely excited to go to the Kansas City Regional for the first time! Looks like a fun group of people and a great time! See you all there!!!

Mr. Lim 27-02-2010 22:44

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Does anyone know if this regional will be webcast?

Vikesrock 27-02-2010 22:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim (Post 929614)
Does anyone know if this regional will be webcast?

Yes it will:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...69&postcount=9

funggiss 28-02-2010 00:32

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This will be a great event I can't wait to see all the robots in person some of these things look beast on youtube.

Austin Jones 28-02-2010 01:28

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Me either, I can't wait for Kansas !!!!!!!!! :D

Ivan Helmrich 28-02-2010 10:50

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I can't wait for Bomb Squad !!!!!!!!!

You guys always bring a great robot and team to school the locals.

Don't go to Kansas though, you'll be in the wrong state. You really want to be in Missouri. Granted, Hale Arena is only about a mile and a half from the state line and there is also a Kansas, City Kansas just to make it more confusing.

See ya there.

Chris Fultz 28-02-2010 17:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan Helmrich (Post 929676)
Don't go to Kansas though, you'll be in the wrong state.

Bummer, I was so looking forward to seeing Dorothy.

Chris is me 03-03-2010 12:12

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
(With lots of help from thefro526) This Kansas City regional's looking pretty deep. Mind if I do a bit of prediction? :)

135, 1208, 525, and 868 are all solid teams that have shown flashes of greatness while staying a bit under the radar. They could tip an already solid alliance.

1730 is a very professional team that's always been solid both on field and "on Chairman's". They should be in contention for both at Kansas City, and while they haven't shown their 2010 hand, they've built a swerve before, and a surgical tubing trackball shooter before... Perhaps these are the pieces they put together? Maybe they'll look to repeat their alliance with 1625?

1986 has always built ridiculous and cool machines, and this year they've got an interesting wide robot that should be more of a factor than either of their previous endeavors.

Any other year, 1806 would be the absolute favorite. They've never seen less than the Regional Finals in Kansas City, and the last time they didn't win the event was their rookie year. But this year, there's a lot of out of town talent coming to town. As for their machine, 1806’s machine looks to be really strong this year. They’ve got a kicker with a HUGE cam that’s got some range to it. Pair them with a decent striker and they’ll be tough to beat.

Bomb Squad has been kicking butt the last two years, and 16's bringing back their now-trademark three wheel swerve for this year. In a year where many teams will be going with omni directional drives for the first time, 16’s experience with them will show greatly, especially in an event not known for them (until this year).

234 is a powerhouse year in and year out. This year is no different. They have more experience with the Wild Swerve than the tons of teams using the modules this year, which could prove advantageous. Expect their swerving kicking machine to play well into the afternoon.

They've won 5 regionals in 5 years, earned the #1 seed at the Championship twice, and came out on top of half of the IRIs they've ever attended. 1625 shows no signs of slowing after their 2009 season, pulling the best parts of their previous robots all together into their 2010 endeavor. Their 6 wheel swerve drive is completely unprecedented in FRC. 1625 in the finals is a safe bet.

Aren_Hill 03-03-2010 14:29

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Could you make the target on our backs even bigger Chris? :rolleyes: :p

Chris is me 03-03-2010 14:37

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I figure it's the best I can do to get revenge for Wisconsin, Newton, and IRI all at once. Besides, I had gone a few hundred posts without sucking up to you guys. :P

Akash Rastogi 03-03-2010 15:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 930988)
I figure it's the best I can do to get revenge for Wisconsin, Newton, and IRI all at once. Besides, I had gone a few hundred posts without sucking up to you guys. :P

Chris, while I agree with your predictions for the most part about the mentioned teams being big threats, out of all mentioned, 1625 is consistently the best driven robot on the field and the same strength will easily earn them top honors.
+.02

*knock on wood* Yep, this is what you get Aren. ;)

Aren_Hill 03-03-2010 15:51

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This is all cause i kept the 6wd swerve development secret from both of you isnt it. Your making the target bigger than bot, its far too tiny to be that scary lol

(and Dillons at the sticks again, only this time the drivetrain has traction and then some)

XaulZan11 03-03-2010 17:29

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Although Chris did a good job, I have two additions/adjustments:

I would watch out for 1208. They won this event last year and is comming of a strong preformance in Atlanta, making it to the elminations.

1625 is awful. Yeah, the may have been decent in past years, this will not be their year. If you are against them, I wouldn't even worry about them. They will be lucky to score 1 goal the entire regional!. Thier lifter mechanism is soo slow; they need to start lifting with over 45 seconds left in the match.

(That should shrink the target on 1625's back...hopefully they won't forget it come alliance selections in midwest...)

Kyler 03-03-2010 18:11

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 931085)
Although Chris did a good job, I have two additions/adjustments:

I would watch out for 1208. They won this event last year and is comming of a strong preformance in Atlanta, making it to the elminations.

1625 is awful. Yeah, the may have been decent in past years, this will not be their year. If you are against them, I wouldn't even worry about them. They will be lucky to score 1 goal the entire regional!. Thier lifter mechanism is soo slow; they need to start lifting with over 45 seconds left in the match.

(That should shrink the target on 1625's back...hopefully they won't forget it come alliance selections in midwest...)

hana thanks :p . I'm pretty excited to break in a new custom scouting program this year now that I finally finished writing it.

Tarzan19 03-03-2010 21:04

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Regional is to tommorrow and K.A.R.S (formerly know as Rover Robotics) is excited as ever to get this competition started. And i agree that no snow would be a great blessing considering the dumping we got last year. ugh. Good luck to all of you that are planning on attending and playing tommorrow, Friday and Saturday. Looking forward to all of the goods times we will experince soon.

Chris is me 04-03-2010 02:04

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I meant to mention 1208 as a tip, forgot to include them. Funny how they're somewhat known for flying under the radar :P

Tarzan19 04-03-2010 22:00

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First day of Kansas City regional underway. WOoT!! good job to all of the teams out there that played today and good luck to everybody as tomorrows qualifying matches start.

nikeairmancurry 04-03-2010 22:41

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I watched numerous practice rounds today, and was surprised, by who many teams got to the field and were running. I'll be sure to keep an eye on this regional this weekend. There are good bots roaming around.

efoote868 05-03-2010 13:22

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I'm watching on webcast now, wondering if any of you have the list of teams attending, the match schedule, or the outcomes so far :D

Good luck all.

s_forbes 05-03-2010 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 931727)
I'm watching on webcast now, wondering if any of you have the list of teams attending, the match schedule, or the outcomes so far :D

Good luck all.

Check out this page for match schedule and results: http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...chresults.html

IndySam 05-03-2010 13:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 931727)
I'm watching on webcast now, wondering if any of you have the list of teams attending, the match schedule, or the outcomes so far :D

Good luck all.

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve.../rankings.html

Vikesrock 05-03-2010 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 931727)
I'm watching on webcast now, wondering if any of you have the list of teams attending, the match schedule, or the outcomes so far :D

Good luck all.

Attending: www.frclinks.com/e/kc
Schedule: www.frclinks.com/e/s/kc
Results: www.frclinks.com/e/m/kc
Standings: www.frclinks.com/e/r/kc

You may see a common trend here, go to www.frclinks.com to see the url format for other events or info. You can also type the codes directly into the box on that site instead of appending them to the URL.

efoote868 05-03-2010 13:52

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You guys are too helpful. :D :D :D

Thanks.

TD912 05-03-2010 17:58

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I'm watching via the webcast right now.

I'm kinda disappointed to see the "collusion" strategy being used. When I was watching earlier, in match 38, Blue Alliance sat and did nothing to simply earn more seeding points.

It's interesting to see the idea worked, but I just don't think it's in the spirit of "Gracious Professionalism" to do it...

Looking at the score history, the same thing happened in #29 and 48.

I have an odd suspicion that team 1723 has been behind it since their 3rd match, as it just happened again in match 55. The Red Alliance apparently didn't care for scoring at all, until the end when they saw Blue not scoring either.

Vikesrock 05-03-2010 18:04

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I highly recommend not posting "odd suspicions" derived from viewing an event through a webcast here on CD.

Whether it is true or not, making public accusations on such shaky data in a public forum reflects poorly on both you and your team.

XaulZan11 05-03-2010 18:05

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Before we start calling teams out for colluding. Did you see those matches? Did 1723 or their alliance partners score for the other alliance? If not, I don't think you can honestly call that collusion. Just because a team isn't do anything does not mean they are colluding to get more seeding points. Maybe they are having some technical issue with their robot. Maybe they scored 3 goals but had 4 penalties.

And that is not even getting into the discussion of is collusion in the spirit of the game or not.

TD912 05-03-2010 18:25

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Okay, I'm probably just overreacting and assuming things. I shouldn't be doing that, especially when I'm not actually there and only viewing it via a webcast. Sorry.

Usually I don't assume things like that, but it was kinda odd that all 3 robots on an Alliance didn't move an inch in one match, or just ran around in circles when there was a bunch of balls in their zone. I wasn't there, so I couldn't tell if

Again, I'm sorry guys. I'm was getting too far ahead of myself... Apologies to team 1723 if you guys are reading this.
:(

David Brinza 05-03-2010 18:47

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
True collusion would be for the teams to decide to do all of their scoring on one alliance.

If RED wins 20 - 0 (no defense, just everyone scoring on the RED side of the field), both the RED and BLUE teams will "earn" 20 qualification points. That probably exceeds the number of qualifying points earned in any of the matches thus far.

That match strategy would not be good for the game or FRC. I hope we don't see teams resorting to this.

funggiss 05-03-2010 21:40

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as far as I know that never happened even good teams like 16 and others have had lots of tech problems all day and there should be more scoring tomorrow and in during the elimination rounds and our robot has had some of it's own problems but we are doing one thing really well and that is hanging every round except the one where we got our hooks stuck in the goal chain

Tarzan19 05-03-2010 21:43

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Second day of GRKC regional is done and what an exciting day it was.
WInnovation didnt disappoint, ending today seeded at number one followed closely by 1209(Robo Hornets) and 932 (curcuit chargers), followed by 2345(us, somehow?), 1094, 935, 1763, and 525 are the top of the seeding after the first day of true coopertition.

Chris is me 05-03-2010 22:17

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1625? #1 seed? Whoda thunk!

1986 is playing a lot better than they normally do their first event. If I were a scout, they'd be high on my list, even if they scare the crap out of me with every bump crossing.

Tarzan19 05-03-2010 22:26

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I know what you mean about them going over the bump, it scares the crap out of me too. They have been doing decent, except one or two that they flipped all the way over.

KC has made its self out to be a really tight competition this year. Really excited to see how it all plays out tommorrow.

Raul 05-03-2010 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Brinza (Post 931808)
True collusion would be for the teams to decide to do all of their scoring on one alliance.

If RED wins 20 - 0 (no defense, just everyone scoring on the RED side of the field), both the RED and BLUE teams will "earn" 20 qualification points. That probably exceeds the number of qualifying points earned in any of the matches thus far.

That match strategy would not be good for the game or FRC. I hope we don't see teams resorting to this.

I agree - the bad kind of collusion is only when BOTH alliances agree to a strategy that will give them a seeding advantage over the rest of the field. It is not against the spirit of this game, FIRST or GP if all teams on ONE alliance all agree to a strategy that is advantageous to just their alliance.
My opinion is that any one alliance is allowed to follow any strategy within the rules that will maximize their chance of winning or seeding higher. There is no rule against doing nothing, defending your own goal or scoring for your opponent regardless of the intent behind the strategy.

BTW - I do not like that the rules allow this or encourage it in some cases. But that is a different topic.

funggiss 05-03-2010 22:41

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
it will be great to see the semi's and finals and who on who's alliance I hope 1625 picks us:D

Mr. Lim 05-03-2010 23:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raul (Post 931971)
I agree - the bad kind of collusion is only when BOTH alliances agree to a strategy that will give them a seeding advantage over the rest of the field. It is not against the spirit of this game, FIRST or GP if all teams on ONE alliance all agree to a strategy that is advantageous to just their alliance.
My opinion is that any one alliance is allowed to follow any strategy within the rules that will maximize their chance of winning or seeding higher. There is no rule against doing nothing, defending your own goal or scoring for your opponent regardless of the intent behind the strategy.

Has the general FIRST community finally cracked the lid on Pandora's box here?

Will it ever collectively understand what the seeding point system means, and how it affects match strategy in quals?

We're a big step closre now that 1 week qualifications are almost over, but I'm interested in seeing how teams react tomorrow morning, knowing that many will want to have a big "seeding points push" to gain some spots. I see a few lightbulbs turning on...

I think most moderately serious strategy teams have fleshed this one out, but I can't imagine what would happen if the majority of teams went into a regional willing and able to execute this strategy.

I barely know what I'll do if we're faced with an alliance that does this to us...

Actually... that's a lie. I know exactly what I would do, and it kind of annoys me.

sparrowkc 05-03-2010 23:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarzan19 (Post 931950)
I know what you mean about them going over the bump, it scares the crap out of me too. They have been doing decent, except one or two that they flipped all the way over...

We flipped during our first two matches because a sensor got unplugged. The problem has been resolved.

We have an autopilot program that reliable finesses our robot over the bump. The gyro sensor that it uses to do this happens to be mounted on a surface that the drive team was picking up the robot by. Our first two matches were played with the gyro unplugged.

We now have a guard around the gyro sensor and are lifting the robot with different surfaces.

Thing2_1723 05-03-2010 23:24

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Soooo. The second day wasn't the best for 1723. Our bot had lot of programming errors and bad connections and our head electrical guy isn't here because of not-so-great-grades :( Umm, one of our people had a asthma attack, but a lot of the teams around us came to help us all look for her inhaler (yay for teams!).

Some of our spirit people started losing their voices (including myself), but I brought 60 cough drops :D I did some cool flagging with our green flag with my color guard skills.

Who else here got their shirt signed my Woodie?

Chris is me 05-03-2010 23:37

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sparrowkc (Post 932003)
We flipped during our first two matches because a sensor got unplugged. The problem has been resolved.

We have an autopilot program that reliable finesses our robot over the bump. The gyro sensor that it uses to do this happens to be mounted on a surface that the drive team was picking up the robot by. Our first two matches were played with the gyro unplugged.

We now have a guard around the gyro sensor and are lifting the robot with different surfaces.

I'm more scared that if you were on my alliance and someone from either side accidentally or intentionally bumped into you, rolling all the way over could happen. Now go out there and prove me wrong. :)

TD912 06-03-2010 00:10

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1723, sorry for the previous comments. Really! I was reading some threads elsewhere on CD about the new scoring/seeding thing, then went to view the KC regional webcast, and then all of a sudden I see 3 blue bots apparently not moving much, while 3 red ones were, and I jumped to a (really dumb) conclusion... :o

Last year we were in a similar situation at the NYC regional (minus the asthma attack!)

Good luck to you and the rest of the teams at the KC regional!

hillale 06-03-2010 09:55

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http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...chresults.html

Currently no data showing up in any of the sections of the results webpage.

Nevermind, they're back!

Dan Richardson 06-03-2010 13:23

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14-0, scored by both alliances working together? Pretty impressive. I really like seeing the coopertition rules being taken advantage of. Great job teams.

Chris is me 06-03-2010 13:30

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13 with penalties. The score was 9-0 before the halfway mark, so the red alliance sandbagged. No idea why 234 didn't turn around and make short range shots.

Dan Richardson 06-03-2010 13:47

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932195)
13 with penalties. The score was 9-0 before the halfway mark, so the red alliance sandbagged. No idea why 234 didn't turn around and make short range shots.

I would imagine they agreed to this before the match.

Chris is me 06-03-2010 13:54

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I don't quite think that's how 234 rolls...

What stacked alliances, huh. 1625 / 16 / 2410, 1785 / 1986 / 1730, should be intense.

XaulZan11 06-03-2010 14:09

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932205)
I don't quite think that's how 234 rolls...

I believe I saw 935 score for the other alliance from the start. Perhaps the other alliance decided to score for 234's without telling 234's alliance. But, I think it was an agreed upon strategy by both alliances.

Chris is me 06-03-2010 16:37

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Seems 1625 and 16 are out there proving Car Nack wrong, with multiple high scoring elimination matches. Autonomus stacked with 1625's transition play, 16's ball control, and 2410 sealing the deal equals awesomeness. Now time for the finals!

Congrats to 2345 525 and 931! I was literally on the edge of my seat with that one.

Dan Richardson 06-03-2010 17:29

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932205)
I don't quite think that's how 234 rolls...

What stacked alliances, huh. 1625 / 16 / 2410, 1785 / 1986 / 1730, should be intense.

Either way it shouldn't be painted in a negative context. If it was or if it wasn't, it was great play, and a great match. This is part of the game this year, would be awesome to see 20 + points scored by 6 v 0.

Jeffy 06-03-2010 20:48

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What a great regional! I got to talk to the inventor of the 1625 linkage (special name?). I got to meet Woodie Flowers. There were far too many awesome robots to mention them all. I learned about pneumatics from 1986. I talked drivetrain with 1939. AND, I got to compete in the finals! (Thanks 16 and 1625)

My favorite moment (other than being mentioned on CD) was before the final match. Our mentor on the pit crew says "Jeff, Hold out your hand". This didn't make sense to me at the time, but I did anyway. He starts laughing hystericlly and I look at my hand and my fingers are twitching all over the place. He says "Nervous much?".

Great regional. Special thanks to team 935, 1986 and 1730 for constanly loaning us hardware and fasteners. And to team 2461 for giving us a victor. And of course thanks is due to our alliance, teams 16 and 1625. They both have amazing robots and teams should watch out for them.

Tarzan19 06-03-2010 21:05

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932245)
Seems 1625 and 16 are out there proving Car Nack wrong, with multiple high scoring elimination matches. Autonomus stacked with 1625's transition play, 16's ball control, and 2410 sealing the deal equals awesomeness. Now time for the finals!

Congrats to 2345 525 and 931! I was literally on the edge of my seat with that one.

Thank you so much. we were on the edge of our seats as well. This was an amazing event.

Collin Fultz 06-03-2010 21:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 932212)
I believe I saw 935 score for the other alliance from the start. Perhaps the other alliance decided to score for 234's without telling 234's alliance. But, I think it was an agreed upon strategy by both alliances.

We did not know the plans of the other alliance before the match, but they became obvious in the stands pretty quickly. Surprisingly, though, the red robots in the middle zone continued to play defense on our MZ advancer through the match. Otherwise, I think we could have scored 20.

I thought the event was great and will have more thoughs when I'm not typing on a phone on the bus. Congrats to the winning alliance and a huge thanks to all of our partners.

Drivencrazy 06-03-2010 23:19

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Just wanted to congratulate teams on one of the most exciting and fun filled regionals I have seen in awhile. All weekend Team Driven talked about the incredible amount of competition here and how we knew that any regional with only one rookie was going to be tough.

A special thanks to our elimination alliance captain 1785 and our other alliance partner 1986. We had a blast and are happy that you guys selected us.

More congratulations are in order for teams 2345, 525, and 931. Great job. Also great job by teams 1625, 16, and 2410 for making it an absolutely great end to an incredible competition.

Hope to see you all back next year and good luck in the rest of your season.

Maxzillian 06-03-2010 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Collin Fultz (Post 932333)
We did not know the plans of the other alliance before the match, but they became obvious in the stands pretty quickly. Surprisingly, though, the red robots in the middle zone continued to play defense on our MZ advancer through the match. Otherwise, I think we could have scored 20.

I thought the event was great and will have more thoughs when I'm not typing on a phone on the bus. Congrats to the winning alliance and a huge thanks to all of our partners.

Yeah, it was such an out of the box idea (for the KC regional) that our alliance decided not to bring up the strategy just in case it met opposition. The students decided that it was best to go in and hit it hard just in case your alliance decided to fight it (for whatever reason). While the plan was to try and get 30 points so that the highest ranked team on your alliance got 1st and our team and one alliance partner would get 2nd and 3rd in seeding, it at least got our two alliance teams in 7th and 8th. Considering before the match 935 was ranked 11th, the results speak for themselves.

Personally I don't necessarily like that the rules can be exploited like that, but without the ruling concerning points for the losing team, a bad alliance could completely wreck a good team's chances. It's definitely a catch 22 condition.

Regardless, nice work guys! All of you! I was very pleased with this regional. :)

BeckyHand 07-03-2010 00:00

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Being on the field volunteering all three days, I had the opportunity to see all the great teams in attendance. The matches today were action packed the whole way through! The end game is so awesome!

Congratulations to all the teams at the Greater Kansas City Regional 2010.

Chris Fultz 07-03-2010 03:52

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932195)
No idea why 234 didn't turn around and make short range shots.

This was not a strategy agreed by both alliances. Red decided to do it on their own. (we were blue)

When we realized the scoring going on, we (234) tried to score for red, but were pretty heavily defended. That was actually smart for the red, because we were also in the chase for the top 8, and so keeping out seeding points the same gain as theirs kept them ahead of us.

We did a similar strategy in an earlier match, but for different reasons. As an alliance, we knew we would be outgunned, so we decided to score for the other alliance from the start. But it ended with a very low scoring match because the other alliance began to heavily defend us after we scored the first goal for them.

Dan Richardson 07-03-2010 11:08

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 932556)
This was not a strategy agreed by both alliances. Red decided to do it on their own. (we were blue)

When we realized the scoring going on, we (234) tried to score for red, but were pretty heavily defended. That was actually smart for the red, because we were also in the chase for the top 8, and so keeping out seeding points the same gain as theirs kept them ahead of us.

We did a similar strategy in an earlier match, but for different reasons. As an alliance, we knew we would be outgunned, so we decided to score for the other alliance from the start. But it ended with a very low scoring match because the other alliance began to heavily defend us after we scored the first goal for them.

Quick question, because the winning alliance was penalized were you awarded 13 points where the losing alliance was awarded 14? I thought this was the correct interpretation of the rules, just not sure if I've got that straight.

Chris Fultz 07-03-2010 11:39

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Yes.

The winning alliance gets their 'penalized' score + 2X the losing alliance unpenalized score.

The losing alliance gets the unpenalized winning score.

jspatz1 07-03-2010 12:41

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 932013)
I'm more scared that if you were on my alliance and someone from either side accidentally or intentionally bumped into you, rolling all the way over could happen. Now go out there and prove me wrong. :)

The tipping was entirely the result of the unplugged gyro that manages our decent. We have never had that happen before or since. We were stable in many crossings the rest of the tournament. I can't really envision a situation where a bump from another robot could cause it. It was the result of too much speed on the down side of the bump, and another robot would have to be pushing us from behind on the down side of the bump, which would be both difficult and penalized. Any contact from in front of us would only make it less likely. We don't foresee this ever happening again.

Chris is me 07-03-2010 12:43

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 932725)
The tipping was entirely the result of the unplugged gyro that manages our decent. We have never had that happen before or since. We were stable in many crossings the rest of the tournament. I can't really envision a situation where a bump from another robot could cause it. It was the result of too much speed on the down side of the bump, and another robot would have to be pushing us from behind on the down side of the bump, which would be both difficult and penalized. Any contact from in front of us would only make it less likely. We don't foresee this ever happening again.

Good to hear. Excellent job at the event, you guys are going to rock North Star. Way to show how a line of code can fix almost anything :)

Bruce Newendorp 07-03-2010 13:28

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Team 525 Swartdogs would like to thank everyone who organized and volunteered for the Greater Kansas City Regional. It takes a lot of effort to make these events happen and we appreciate the time and energy you put into it.

We also want to thank team 2345 for making us their alliance selection and 931 for joining us. We made a great team and had some exciting matches on Saturday afternoon. The finals matches with 1625, 16, and 2410 were were exciting all the way to the last seconds of the third match.

Thanks to all the teams at the GKC Regional for making this a great event. Everyone should be going home happy as Woodie asked us to do.

Mr.D 07-03-2010 14:05

Congratulations to Indiana teams
 
Congratulations to:
CyberBlue 234 for winning the Entrepreneurship Award
and
TechHounds 868 for winning the Innovation in Control and Website Awards

Aren_Hill 07-03-2010 14:34

Re: Congratulations to Indiana teams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.D (Post 932802)
Congratulations to:
CyberBlue 234 for winning the Engineering Excellence Award

We received this award, funnily enough a chunk of the crew was at the practice field still tweaking the bot and was notified later.

I'm quite happy with the turnaround our team had from missing all practice matches and a very rough start friday morning to ending as Finalists by 2 points.

Congrats to the victors, you guys earned it

I'm also proud of everyone on our teams mentality after the finals loss of "what did we learn from this, and how are we going to fix it."
Midwest will be fun, though people may not visually see our robot thursday through a blob of people :p

(back to school mode for a week bleh)

IndySam 07-03-2010 14:44

Re: Congratulations to Indiana teams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.D (Post 932802)
Congratulations to:
CyberBlue 234 for winning the Engineering Excellence Award
and
TechHounds 868 for winning the Innovation Control and Website awards

You mean Entrepreneurship Award for 234.

Congrats all.

efoote868 07-03-2010 14:51

Re: Congratulations to Indiana teams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.D (Post 932802)
TechHounds 868 for winning the Innovation Control and Website awards

:D thank you. Looking forward to competing with you at BMR.

1986titans 07-03-2010 16:11

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
The KC Star had a picture in the paper Friday from the regional, and said to check online for more. I was surprised to find that they had 173 pictures in one place.... er, make that two galleries.

The regional was also featured on:
FOX4
KMBC

DtD 07-03-2010 16:18

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cartwright (Post 879731)
I was just looking at the list, and I saw that Blue Valley, team 2334, will be attending. What friendly numbers!

Ha ha, yeah. You guys confused the crap out of me a few times when they said your team XD. 2334, 2335, 234 :D

The KC Regional was amazing this year, even though we were low-seeded (We didn't really completely understand the coopertition thing until towards the end :rolleyes: ) Breakaway was very interesting to watch this year. (As compared to Lunacy, which was a member on our team put it "It was like watching paint drive around in circles")

Congrats to all the teams at the KC Regional.

~David

MadeAtMidnight 07-03-2010 21:17

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Thanks to everyone who made Kansas City a wonderful regional! We appreciate all your hard work!!

rbrown1 07-03-2010 22:03

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
As a member of the regional planning committee we work hard to try to make this an enjoyable event and hope everyone enjoyed the event and the venue this year. It was great to have so many teams travel so far to participate in KC. We appreciate any comments that you might have to make the event even better. Please send comments to my e-mail account. I would also like to congratulate all the teams, with 59 competing and finishing close to on time that was great.

jspatz1 08-03-2010 10:37

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
We have learned today that after reviewing field data, team 1986 and 525 experienced a communication conflict (I assume an IP address overlap) during qual. match #60, causing 1986 to be nearly inoperable and 525 entirely dead. No way of knowing how that effected the overall outcome, but in that match two of the most prolific scorers in the tournament lost by a score of 0-1. No hard feelings, the system is complex, it was week 1, and stuff happens. It might have somehow even been our own fault. Just wanted folks to know that we aren't in the habit of sitting still during matches.

LLM 08-03-2010 12:19

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I'd like to add my thoughts to those that Rex posted. Thanks to all the teams who participated in KC. I am grateful for your great attitudes and willingness to go with the flow as we worked out the kinks this first weekend of competition! As your queuer, I was able to witness so many examples of Gracious Professionalism, and only a very few examples of ungracious behavior the whole weekend. Please share any suggestions for improving your experience at our event, and thanks again for attending. Congratulations to all teams and good luck the rest of the season!

For those attending Dallas, we'll see you there as well! :)

viking 08-03-2010 12:49

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Thank you to everyone for making the Greater Kansas City 2010 Regional a success.

I am the teacher/sponsor and also act as coach. I saw many examples of Gracious Professionalism on the field, in the pits, at the practice field, in the stands, and outside tailgating for lunch.

The greater Kansas City area has been a great fit for FIRST robotics, and also the other way around.

Bruce Newendorp 08-03-2010 18:58

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 933547)
We have learned today that after reviewing field data, team 1986 and 525 experienced a communication conflict (I assume an IP address overlap) during qual. match #60, causing 1986 to be nearly inoperable and 525 entirely dead. No way of knowing how that effected the overall outcome, but in that match two of the most prolific scorers in the tournament lost by a score of 0-1. No hard feelings, the system is complex, it was week 1, and stuff happens. It might have somehow even been our own fault. Just wanted folks to know that we aren't in the habit of sitting still during matches.

525 had 3 qualifying matches where we had no communication and therefore no motion. Same as 1986, we would never just sit there - that's not what we were there for.

Tarzan19 08-03-2010 20:21

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Newendorp (Post 933962)
525 had 3 qualifying matches where we had no communication and therefore no motion. Same as 1986, we would never just sit there - that's not what we were there for.

He is right on that one. 525 definitely does not just sit around.

Chris Fultz 08-03-2010 21:16

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Cyber Blue had an awesome time at KC.

Great teams, a great venue, pancake social, robotic judges and more.

Thanks to the regional team for putting on such a great weekend.

:)

Chris Fultz 09-03-2010 06:39

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Can anyone verify the draft order from KC?
I have the alliances, and some of the order, but not sure on a few.


1. 2345 - 525 - 931 (correct)
2. 1625 - 16 - 2410 (correct)
3. 1209 - 2335 - 1825 (not sure)
4. 1785 - 1986 - 1730 (not sure)
5. 1094 - 1806 - 1997 (not sure)
6. 2461 - 925 - 1763 (correct)
7. 234 - 868 - 1982 (correct)
8. 932 - 1208 - 1810 (not sure)

EOC 09-03-2010 06:55

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 934275)
Can anyone verify the draft order from KC?
I have the alliances, and some of the order, but not sure on a few.


1. 2345 - 525 - 931 (correct)
2. 1625 - 16 - 2410 (correct)
3. 1209 - 2335 - 1825 (not sure)
4. 1785 - 1986 - 1730 (not sure)
5. 1094 - 1806 - 1997 (not sure)
6. 2461 - 925 - 1763 (correct)
7. 234 - 868 - 1982 (correct)
8. 932 - 1208 - 1810 (not sure)

The # 8 alliance was 932-1810-1208

rbrown1 09-03-2010 07:19

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
#4 is correct

ElvisMom 09-03-2010 09:52

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
At our team meeting last night we spent a few minutes talking about our experience at the KC Regional. Several parents commented on how wonderful the choir doing the national anthem was. They really appreciated it as a way to involve members of all teams, not just local teams, and it's not something we've seen at other regionals. Wonderful rendition with very limited time to practice--just another example of how talented these kids are!

One of the local teams had great support from their HS band on Saturday morning--having a rocking brass and drum section was awesome. We also commented on the number of younger kids on school field trips on Friday. Again, not something we've seen (or noticed) before but it was great to see these groups get a taste of the competition. Lots of great ideas on how to increase exposure to FIRST in different ways.

Polly

mgurgol 09-03-2010 11:02

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 934275)
Can anyone verify the draft order from KC?
I have the alliances, and some of the order, but not sure on a few.


1. 2345 - 525 - 931 (correct)
2. 1625 - 16 - 2410 (correct)
3. 1209 - 2335 - 1825 (not sure)
4. 1785 - 1986 - 1730 (not sure)
5. 1094 - 1806 - 1997 (not sure)
6. 2461 - 925 - 1763 (correct)
7. 234 - 868 - 1982 (correct)
8. 932 - 1208 - 1810 (not sure)

The #5 alliance was 1904 - 1997 - 1806

Chris27 09-03-2010 11:44

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I was in the stands during alliance selection and this is how
I recorded the alliances. They should be in order.

#1 2345 525 931
#2 1625 16 2410
#3 1209 1825 2335
#4 1785 1986 1730
#5 1094 1997 1806
#6 2461 935 1763
#7 234 868 1982
#8 932 1810 1208

treffk 09-03-2010 12:50

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I'm apart of FLL more so than FRC nowadays, so I came to the regional to help run the FLL and JFLL mini-rumble/competitions on Friday and Saturday. I was so excited to see so many mentors and students from FRC come over and interact with the FLL kids, they always enjoy having FRC members help them throughout their season. I talked to many mentors and parents of FRC members about getting teams started or joining nearby teams which I felt was fabulous due to the fact that FLL is the feeder program to FRC (and also how it was mentioned in the VIP luncheon, which I was unable to attend, by a student from team 1802 that "when he was that age he never even dreamed of doing what the FLL kids are doing"). The highlight of my weekend was watching a few of the FLL kids explaining the program and what they were doing that year to FRC members.

railerobotics 09-03-2010 15:31

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EOC (Post 934280)
The # 8 alliance was 932-1810-1208

you have 935 and it should be 935

EOC 09-03-2010 15:37

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by railerobotics (Post 934597)
you have 935 and it should be 935

Now I'm confused.
Do you mean 925 should be 935?

railerobotics 09-03-2010 15:51

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EOC (Post 934600)
Now I'm confused.
Do you mean 925 should be 935?

My mistake yes.
925 listed should be 935

polehead3 10-03-2010 12:06

Re: Kansas City Regional - 2010
 
I went to the kansas city it was ok just the only thing i didn't like was that you could'nt song request:yikes:


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