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2010 FLORIDA REGIONAL
It's been a while, but MiM will be heading south again this year. The team is excited and looking forward to a great event! Looks like some good competition:D
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Welcome back.
I noticed that you and M'Aiken Magic were both registered for the Florida regional. Team SPAM has missed you guys. |
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The PINK team has as well. Welcome back!
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As soon as 342 stops going to Florida is when 343 decides to attend:rolleyes: For years we had a great time in Florida, but in recent years it was starting to cost a little too much to travel down there:( . Good luck guys; I've always thought Florida regional had some of the best teams in FIRST!
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yes, i have totally missed going to the florida regional! it has always been my favorite, so im really excited about going :D ive missed all my favorite florida teams too! and CJ, yeah, thats how it works :rolleyes:
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Team 79 can't wait to see all you at the Florida regional. We are going to have a lot of fun this year!:D
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Being a sophmore and the only one who knows how to program is going to be a hectic thing. |
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looking at the team list its gonna be a good year i'm kinda sad i graduated last year but i've already registered as a volunteer cant wait!!!
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I can't wait for Florida Regional again! :D I'm already getting geared up and trying to help out in every possible way! Loving the team list, too. Can't wait to see all the Florida teams again (even though I JUST saw you guys at TNT!) and especially the out-of-state teams! Good luck to everyone this upcoming season.
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I've been threatening to show up to one of these at the new arena for a while. I'll put my self down as a firm maybe this year.
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1251 will be there enough said, welcome all the out of state teams and Hi to our old friends within the state it will be a good one as usual.
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442is going to be there. We're looking to have a break out year this year. Looking forward to the competition.
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The countdown is telling me there are less than 100 days until the Florida Regional. I find this great news, the only downside is our team seems to be lacking a robot.
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absoulutly ridiculous XD they are rushing us judt like FTC we had 4-5 weeks for this year when we had 5 months last year. And yes lacking a robot haha most definitly a problem.
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Um.... only 49 days untilt he regional!? When did that happen!?!?!?!:ahh:
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Ahh, its going to be insane this year.....
This now may be one of the hardest regionals in FIRST. On a side note.....anyone want to trade shirts? |
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I'm always up for shirt trading! See me at our pit! Also...
Bacon is pumped to see all our old friends again along with anyone we haven't befriended yet at Florida!!! Personally I'm looking forward to another exciting and LOUD robotics event! OINK OINK BOOM!!! The first cheer of many to come! |
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I agree with Skyler Florida is going to be Epic this year can't wait to see everyone again
OINK OINK BOOM! |
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22 days left!!!!!! OMG!
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I can't wait to see that 118 machine up close, looks epic:ahh: |
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Team 442, Redstone Robotics are ready to go and ready for competition, so we will be happy to meet new teams, Will be happy to meet all the teams down there.
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Team 69 will be back after a one year hiatus. Im psyched for the warm weather =)
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Competition is going to be insane!!!
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YOU ARE INVITED!!!
To the 2nd Annual Unofficial Florida Regional Team Social Hosted by FRC Team 1902 Exploding Bacon When: Wednesday, March 10th 6:30 –9 Where: The Orange County Extension Building, home of Exploding Bacon: 6021 South Conway Road Orlando, FL 32812-3604 What: Dinner (Bar B Que and trimmings), Games, Ultimate Frisbee , Socializing and a good time to be had by all How Much: 10.00 per person Please RSVP to popvideo@earthlink.net for head count purposes. Please come and join us. |
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1270 will be there again this year. Looking forward to the regional..... Just not too excited about the 24 hour bus ride :rolleyes:
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Hey Florida Coaches, Drivers, Scouts and Strategists, most of you are probably aware of the seeding point rules that favor the losing teams. However many teams at their week 1 regionals found that most teams thought that just winning matches would rank them higher in seeding. There are strategies that work in all teams favor to take advantage of these rules during seeding matches where teams must score in the opponents goals to optimize their own alliances seeding scores. This is confusing and upsetting a lot of teams and I would like to preemptively nip any of that in the bud so there's no confrontations at the regional as to getting everyone to work together (either 6v0 or 3v3). Can we have a discussion about this and see where people stand on this issue? There's only a couple days left to work out whether we are going to:
a) use these rules to our advantage b) agree to disagree and protest c) see if we can come up with our own gentlemens agreement for some compromise that we can all live with d) FIRST will make a change in the rules - which most people don't think will happen. e) another idea? Please don't shoot the messenger! I'm just trying to minimize the confusion and strife. I'm aware there are many strategies a team can employ that don't involve working in advance with the opponents but the fact that there are is why I'm posting this. |
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Warren and George have been looking at this all season. I'll let them do the talking...but suffice it to say that I prefer head-to-head competition and simple win-lose-draw seeding. ...case in point: Got a call, Saturday, from Gary Dillard who now mentors a Huntsville area team. He was at the Bayou Regional. The team next to them in the pit, did not get there 'bot past inspection until after the end of Qual rounds. They seeded 8th. The prosecution rests... On a more positive note: I am really looking forward to the field of teams coming to the Florida Regional. Drive 'em like ya stole 'em teams! |
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Honestly I can go as far to say that the ranking system reminds me of exactly what happened back in 2003. That year in Florida, and along with the other Week 2 regionals, teams recognized that in order to move up in ranking, they had to work together. That weekend, the UCF Regional set the national high score of 233 (coincidently). It became apparent to the rest of the teams that in order to catch up, they too had to work together. This set the pace for the rest of the weeks of competition. I honestly feel that we would be doing ourselves a dis-service by not taking advantage of the rules mainly since we will not be training our teams to be prepared for other regionals and perhaps even the championship event. Unless FIRST explicitly changes the rules, I say to stick to them. And if the rules change it has to change during Week 2. With that said, I'm well aware that in some matches it may not be advantageous to do a "6vs0" strategy. That is fine, it is part of the game. It is just difficult for others to accept this type of gameplay because of our upbringing through sports of 2 clear opposing forces and a well defined winner & loser. |
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As this year's coach in Florida, I have been strugling with this. If you have a robot that can dominate and carry an alliance, would it be good to make sure you win, but shoot some for the other team too? Probably. The issue comes in when a Krunch and a Pink go against each other (for example). Each can do well and neither wants to loose those coopertition points by loosing.
I don't know the solution, but right now I'm of the mindset to win, but win close if you can control that. Does this mean to score for the other team? Does this mean you may not hang at the end because you lost the round by then? I noticed some teams go through and do well (team 25 comes to mind). I don't know their strategy with the rules, but as far as I could see they just made sure they won, and hoped the system worked for them. Strategy is difficult this year, and the teams that come up with something that works may not want to tell all of their opponents. At least eliminations are simple. I do see the argument that defense during the qualification rounds doesn't benefit either team. |
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I for one am stoked about Florida. This regional has always been one of my favorites, and I'm sure this year will be no exception. From the pictures and videos floating around I think it's pretty clear we're going to see some of the best bots yet in the UCF arena this weekend.
I'm also excited about the opportunity to play with my old team, Metal-in-Motion. From what I've seen, you guys are looking solid! As far as I'm aware, 386 has not yet decided how we'll handle the scoring situation. Personally (my opinion being my own and not at all the team's), I can see how people get upset about 6v0 and 3v0 situations purely for the 'feeling' of it. As of now, I'm more a fan of the 'neither team plays defense, but otherwise a normal competitive match' strategy. No matter how you slice it, it's always nicer to be in that top 8 on Saturday and perhaps using the scoring to your advantage is the best way to get there. No matter what, good communication within and among teams will be key. We'll see how things go, and my team as a whole will have the final say on how we play the game. |
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I asked your dad if he wanted to coach so you two could be down there together. He declined.
A crazy year to strategize to say the least. |
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As Eric has said, we've been thinking about this for a long time and George and I still don't completely agree on a philosophy.
In my opinion, if I am going into a match against three offensive machines (Krunch, Pink, and Swampthing spring to mind) and I have two BLTs and SPAM, I am going to try my best to convince my alliance mates that it is in our best interest to help the opposing alliance score as many points as possible while making sure that nothing goes into our goals. I would much rather lose 20-0 than 15-5. However, this would have to be a consensus agreement. If an opposing alliance came to me with a reciprical request, we all score in my goals and nothing in their's, I would honor the gentleman's agreement and not try to score in their goals. If it looks like it will be a close match, then I would prefer to play a tough match straight up. |
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But those decisions would be made based on the perception of a team being able to dominate another team. That's a problem I have with rolling over, and not trying to upset the powerhouse. On Saturday morning those perceptions will be based on the Friday performance, and it may be an easier pill to swallow.
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I'm stuck,
But I think the best bet is for everyone to try and score as many points as possible. No-one play defense, just try to out-score each other offensively and keep the scores as close as possible. But I will most certainly not be scoring for the opposing alliance. I (and don't bash me for this) would feel ashamed if my alliance needed the other alliance to score for us. |
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This is just my opinion, but if you look at all week 1 standings, the cream of the crop rose to the top at prolly 90% of the regionals because they were able to have competitive matches and yet still score alot.
I think in some situations during quals defense will be needed and some wont need it but most likely if you go out there and do what your team and your robot can do to the best of its and your abilities, the fruits of your labor will show. I am not against cooperatition between alliances (6v0), but i would rather have a more competitive match, but thats just cause im really competitive lol :D |
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I believe that there should be NO Defense played during the qualification matches what so ever.
The goal of the game in qualifications is to score as many points as possible IF a 6v0 match best serves my team and my alliance partners, I will present it to them. IF that means scoring for the opponent. Thats just a part of the game. It's a part of the game, everyone plays by the same rules, so deal with it. I'll be open to gentlemen agreements if anyone is interested. |
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I think that from my perspective, I want to win. That is just what is in me, and that is the way that I have been taught to drive in matches: drive it like you stole it, and get out with a win.
With that being said, after watching the peachtree regional, I have found that I think it is in the best interest of everyone that wants to have a clear winner (ie: a team that doesn't want to score for the other team) to have no defense in the quals. then, that still lets the best teams rise to the top without completly taking the credibility out of a competition atmosphere. |
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In the end, everyone is getting a higher ranking score. |
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Strategically, it's a good idea, but I just don't want to have to do it.... |
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These are hard decisions.
Near-Tie scores always produce more points if the penalties can be contained. Nobody has mentioned penalties in these conversations. These are the real QP killers. |
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Scoring for your opposing alliance isn't something new. In fact, it has been encouraged before (2001 with "4vs0" gameplay, 2002 with balls in opponent's goal, 2003 with pre-match agreements to not go after alliance's multiplier stack, etc.). Honestly, I wouldn't underestimate your opponents suggesting that they are feeble in their capability in scoring. Perhaps they are going for a strategy that isn't working as well as they wanted. Scoring for your opposing alliance is simply a suggestive option to consider. Quote:
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What we are all struggling with is the disparity between the game rules, and the tournament rules.
The game rules are very well written and offer up the possibility of a very exciting game that incorporates both the physical challenges and the mental challenges that we have all come to appreciate from the GDC. The tournament rules, however, dilute the competitive aspects of the game rules and replaces them with something very different. The challenge before each of us is to determine how much of a paradigm shift are we willing to adjust to. When conventional groups are confronted with these types of paradigm shifts, the result, typically, is a polarization within the groups. Look to our current political environment as an example. I offer up the hope that we of the FIRST community will be able to avoid this polarization and accept that others will be more, or less, willing to adjust to the changes the same way that we accept that they choose to drink diet soda instead of regular soda. It's a choice, and it is, after all, only a game. |
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yes... update #16 will help this debate a lot :D
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This is all very true, though our team's way of doing things conforms to the seeding system anyway. We keep the matches close because we know the ranking points could decide who is in the finals.
Though our driver is a nutcase he won't stop to kill the opposing alliance if he get's the chance he might even the score out a little who knows >.< |
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I came away from update #16 with somethng like: "OK, the GDC wants us to keep it close, but duke it out for a win." I can live with that.
I offer the analogy of an industry consortium working together to fund upgrades to the technology base (high scores), then letting the individual companies fight it out for top sales of new products (the win). |
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Exploding Bacon is getting very excited for everyone to get here. Can't wait to see all our old friends and make some new ones. Hope to see lots of people at the social tonight
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Has Update 16 changed my position from yesterday?
Not much, really. I like the rule change for robots not passing inspection. That should become the norm. I like the change to the 3-inch incursion rule. The extra 5 points for a win, is a little motivation to play to win. However, if it looks like a one-sided matchup, I will still consider 6v0. One thing I think you will see, and this is just my personal opinion, is more defense in qualifying. By keeping the scores low and close, an upset is more likely and the incentive for the underdog is much greater now. However, I still caution everyone that the chance of polarization is still very high. Please, be tolerant of others and do not begrudge them their opinions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now, let's get back to the reason for this thread. Who is ready for the regional? I wish we could make it up for the team social tonight, but the schedule doesn't alow that. See you all in the arena. Let's have some fun. |
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If i promise not to burn down your neighborhood. Does anybody have an extra driveway that i can sleep in?
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i have a four wheeled vehicular sleeping arangment.
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Any idea how many seeding matches total will be played at FL Regionals?
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team 343 has made it to the hotel! and we're about to leave for the social! hope to meet some new people playing ultimate frisbee :D
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there should be exactly 90 Qualification Matches
54(Teams Attending) * 10(matches played) / 6(teams per match) = 90 EDIT: 53 teams, not 54... my bad, then there should be 89 QM's 53(Teams attending) * 10(matches played) / 6(teams per match) = 88.33333.... |
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Thanks to Purple Haze, 12 Volt Bolt, Metal in Motion, Thundercats (a rookie team), Horsepower, Mayhem, B.A.D. and Team Bananas (with a few reps from MOE, SPAM, SigmaCats and X-Cats) for coming and hanging out with us at the social.
Who finally won Ultimate Frisbee???? |
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I am so excited for this regional! It's hard to believe it is just a couple of hours away! The social was a ton of fun, but it was just the start. I look forward to seeing everyone there! |
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Time to get all jacked up on mountain dew and inspect robots. C everybody there!
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This morning, I'm so fraking excited i ran from our hotel to the UCF campus and back 3 times.
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945 is the first robot to complete inspection Thursday 11:10
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Whats the word with the webcast at Florida? I see the breakaway logo, is anything happening on the field?
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Shoutout to 233, goodluck guys =)
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does anyone have a picture of team 21
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For all teams we were allied with during practice, we are sorry we left you guys hanging >.<
They pulled a rule out about how we mounted our bumpers and so it took all day to fix it. Looking forward to tommorow, and if you haven't seen us look for the tank on the ballin light up cart.:D John Fogarty Programmer 1102 |
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Oh wow, we had a stressfull time getting inspected....
Does anyone know why the Crio is made for chassis grounding? We spent about 5 hours looking for the short that was grounding to our frame, only to find that the Crio's case and mounting screws are very obviously exposed..... |
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More and more every year teams have started using Thursday as a "rebuild" day. Less teams are getting through inspection on Thursday than ever before in my seven years in FIRST. (There were only 8 teams past inspection by 2:15pm today, there are 20 teams that have yet to pass inspection). I wanted to make sure this team stood out and got this little thing done. Im a big believer in momentum, i think success in little things (getting inspection done early) directly result in success on a bigger scale (more practice, better driver experience on the actual field, and the drivers ability to be comfortable during the matches that actually count). Good luck to all the teams tomorrow, lets get all the robots out on the field and show that Florida is one of the best regional events FIRST has to offer. |
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Who all is hanging in Florida? I know we are but who else is?
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Does anyone have a picture of the team with 4 wheel drive articulated steering? That was amazing.
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so it is going to be my first time in 6 years not being at the Florida Regional because I am on vacation with the fam in New York City (I will go to that regional tomorrow) but I am watching the webcast before I go to the MET, just watched 179 hang sideways with their arm, AMAZING!!!!!!! man I love the Florida regional
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108 is the last team to complete inspection friday 4:48pm
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Congratulations to Cathy Beck from 103 for winning the Woodie Flowers Finalist Award! Such a deserving person from a wonderful team!
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The seeding system is nuts........we got into the top 30.
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Can someone who is there or watched all the matches please tell me how 233 did not get selected?
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Congratulations to Ms. Beck for winning the Woodie Flowers Finalist Award! You are such an inspirational person who runs a great team!
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If anything this is an indication to me that the Florida Regional must be extremely competitive. Good luck to everyone! |
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Every time they tried to get the ball they got called for possession. I think they ever missed an elims before this weekend. |
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Congrats to Mrs. Beck, from team 11
and 1251, 801, 86, 1557, and 79 on great matches. |
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EXPLODING BACON!!!!!!:D |
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Oink Oink!:D .....
*waits for it* . |
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Congratulations to 1902 for the Chairman's Award and Imagery Award. You are such a deserving team!
I'm sorry to hear that Wendy and Sarah weren't there to share in the moment. Sounds like the regional volunteers had a rough time with illness this weekend. Hope you all feel better soon. Jane |
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Sarah's been in contact and said the Ambassadors and students stepped up to help keep the volunteer side of things running. I know she is mighty grateful for everyone pitching in to keep such an amazing regional going. There's a flu bug going around. |
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Ya, Wendy, Mike Walker, Ben and I all got food poising from the chicken taccos aparentley. Thanks caterer. suficive to say, it was extremely unplesant for me last night and continues to be uncomfortable with my feaver.
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I got it yesterday around 2pm and was "better" by this morning so it is only a 24 hour bug thank goodness. and hope everyone feel better.
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So, i guess that we can start doing thanks and stuff :) i would like to thank 180 and 1902 for being amazing alliance partners! you guys were both great and were awesome people! i wish we could have gotten a little farther, but it was a good run.
and 1902, congrads on winning chairmans. you guys are really great and really deserving. i am thankful that we got to play with a team full of so many amazing people :D |
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