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Tom Line 25-10-2009 21:31

Clear plastic sheeting?
 
I've noticed that a LOT of teams use clear, thin plastic sheeting on their robots. Thin, but still very rigid, and clear (but still a bit flexible). Many teams used it this year to go around the outside of their spirals.

I want to call it acetal, or acetate - but when I went to look on mcmaster the sheer amount and variety of plastic sheeting made be scratch my head a bit. I know it isn't vinyl, which is not nearly as rigid and is quite heavy. So what's the right name for the thin semi-rigid plastic most teams use on their bots?

You can see it here on Foley Freeze on the outside of their spiral:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/img...48d13528_l.jpg

EricLeifermann 25-10-2009 21:33

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Its probably just polycarbonate sheets or acrylic sheets, I'd lean more towards the polycarb though as acrylic like to shatter...

Lowfategg 25-10-2009 21:33

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Its probably polycarbonate (also called Lexan).

Highly impact resistant and can be bent to shapes using a heat gun or other heat source.

Chris is me 25-10-2009 21:37

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
It's polycarbonate. Acrylic sheet I would not reccomend as it could not withstand any force on a competition robot. Polycarbonate is rather easy to work with, can roll up, is relatively flexible, and can be bent with heat.

With proper use, you could even use very thick polycarbonate sheet to build your whole robot if you wanted to.

Chexposito 25-10-2009 21:43

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
We use 1/16th lexan (polycarbonate). we use a heat gun to bend the lexan and waterjet to cut out the shape

ebarker 25-10-2009 21:46

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
McMaster-Carr is a good source.

Gdeaver 25-10-2009 22:09

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
You may find a local Glass company that could help with poly carbonate and save the shipping.

Karibou 25-10-2009 22:12

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 879727)
Its probably just polycarbonate sheets or acrylic sheets, I'd lean more towards the polycarb though as acrylic like to shatter...

Definitely polycarb. Trust me, you do NOT want to use acrylic sheets. We, for some odd reason, had some lying around the shop, mistook it for polycarb, and started trying to get it on the robot. We realized our mistake when it began cracking and shattering when we started putting the rivets in.

EricLeifermann 25-10-2009 22:15

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 879740)
Definitely polycarb. Trust me, you do NOT want to use acrylic sheets. We, for some odd reason, had some lying around the shop, mistook it for polycarb, and started trying to get it on the robot. We realized our mistake when it began cracking and shattering when we started putting the rivets in.

Yes, I've always used polycarb, but I've seen teams use acrylic, not in any load taking location though.

I'd look for a local source before turning to mcmaster, polycarb can get heavy and shipping can get expensive, as well as the polycarb.

AdamHeard 25-10-2009 22:27

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
We used .020 and .030 thick polycarbonate on our bots this year.

You actually don't need a heat gun to bend it, it bends just fine in a normal sheet metal break. It works out much cleaner and nicer. Also cuts nicely in a shear.

ChuckDickerson 25-10-2009 22:35

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
McMaster is a little funny about what they define as film vs. sheet. 0.040" and less is film and 1/16" and greater is sheet. Go figure. We have usually used McMaster 8574K29 0.040" film in the past.

Jeff Pahl 25-10-2009 23:27

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
I've bought polycarbonate as thin as 0.010 to cover the outside of the robot with. That thin it comes in a roll. 48" wide by however long you want. It seemed like they called anything that was "rollable" film and stuff that shipped and stored flat "sheet".

Try to find a local plastics supplier that supplies to sign and screen printing shops if you are looking for large pieces of thinner film. If they don't have it, they can probably get it for you with their regular deliveries. Shipping will kill you if you have to buy it mail order.

I used to use Calsak Plastics when I lived in ATL, but they don't have a warehouse in your part of the country. Their website is http://www.calsakplastics.com , at least you can look at a pretty wide range of what may be available. Wish they had a warehouse near here in MN. I'm still looking for a polycarbonate supplier here that will charge me less than retail :(

dtengineering 26-10-2009 00:47

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Polycarbonate sheet can also be bent cold in the box and pan brake and other sheet metal working tools.

Thin polycarb also cuts quite nicely with a sharp knife. Thicker pieces respond well to woodworking equipment... table saws, jointers, bandsaws or jig saws come to mind.

Jason

Greg Needel 26-10-2009 01:25

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 879764)
Polycarbonate sheet can also be bent cold in the box and pan brake and other sheet metal working tools.

Thin polycarb also cuts quite nicely with a sharp knife. Thicker pieces respond well to woodworking equipment... table saws, jointers, bandsaws or jig saws come to mind.

Jason

what in the world do you do with a jointer and a piece of lexan?

Chris is me 26-10-2009 01:29

Re: Clear plastic sheeting?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Needel (Post 879769)
what in the world do you do with a jointer and a piece of lexan?

I'm not sure if I'm referring to anything by the right names and everything, but I think you can use a jointer with an obtuse-angled fence to make different "rounded off" (kind of) edges on thick pieces. I'm sure there's a more technical name for this process I'm forgetting, but my team and I did this to finish some structural pieces.


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