Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Have we become so wrapped up in the words "gracious professionalism" that we've forgotten what they really mean?

Have we become so opposed to possibly offending anyone in the slightest way that we downplay our own hard fought accomplishments and achievements?

There's a stark difference between bragging and taking pride in your work. While "Ha ha! We're better than you! We won seventeen regionals and you didn't!" would clearly fall in the former, listing your achievements would definitely fall in the latter. Your grandmother certainly wouldn't be offended if you told her your team won your regional.

If people are getting offended at seeing other teams list their accomplishments, maybe they should spend less time whining and more time doing things to make their own team win.

People like to dedicate things. People like to list their accomplishments. People like to show everyone else when they were successful. People like recognition. People like taking pride in their work, their favorite sports team, their alma mater, and their home country. It's always been that way, and always will be.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

When I first read this thread I immediately jumped to the idea that the team might be wearing their shirts during meetings with potential sponsors. A team that can only afford one tshirt per student would then by necessity have these awards printed on the shirt to gather notice of these potential sponsors. At that point GP doesn't enter into the decision.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

I am definitely not opposed to a team highlighting their accomplishments. My prior comments had to do with the intent of GP, not displaying earned accomplishments.

I was thinking about how awards mentions are displayed in football/basketball stadiums with the signage.

For $ 40 bucks you could do a very nice 20x30 sintra sign that would list the accomplishments and sit very nicely on an easel at public displays or corporate presentations, and in its spare time live on the wall at school.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Keep in mind that information can become dated very quickly.

The awards that have been garnered in the previous season become dated when the current season begins. Listing those awards on your team shirts is costly and will remain current for only so long. If that is not a problem with your team budget and short-term or long-term plans, then it is fine.

I love to see the Hall of Fame teams tell us that they are HoFs on their shirts. It's cool and is never outdated.

I think your question is valid. The bottom line is in how your team conducts itself and how you promote your achievements and your efforts as a team. I've seen some great team pits where teams have taken the time to lay out and organize their pit so that it is efficient, productive, and promotes the team in an effective and professional manner. People pay attention to that.

Good question, stargirl. Good luck to you and to your team in 2010!

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

I don't think it is either, not arrogant and not ungracious (especially in good taste)... At IRI last summer, the HOT team was wearing tye dyes with "2009 National Champions" on them - but they were on the winning alliance at Einstien and they deserved to advertise that fact. That is a great marketing tool for award winners to use for drumming up support, I don't see it any differently than a football team advertising that they won a championship or rivalry!

My .02,

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Gracious Professionalism - To compete with others are truly care about the outcome. Yet all the while caring about the other. To be Gracious and Professional. To help them when you are needed.

In the end its like superheros really. They hada sense of GP about them. They were scared to show their accomplishments. They wore costumes. 1. Disguise themselves. 2. Show who they are. And that in its self shows what they have done. So my opinion would be that saying you have done something great is in no way wrong or against GP. For as it has been said. GP is not a gauge. Simply another way of saying "I have morals".

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

This really does not have as much to do with Gracious Professionalism.

I'll break it down for you. What messages do you send when you put your awards on a shirts?

1) If done humbly, you help build up your team morale. It helps motivate existing members and new/upcoming members will presume that you are a "successful" team. This is good.

2) You help your schoolmates realize that you have some success backing you as long as you don't brag about it. This is good for your school.

3) You help friends, family, acquaintances, and the like know that you have some success. This is also good as long as you don't brag about it.

4) I assume you will also list a few sponsors. Yes, this is also good. Most sponsors LOVE recognition. I would check with them first though. A couple of them did not want to be on any of our promotional material.

5) Ten years from now, when you happen to stumble across this shirt while you are building a shuttle for NASA, you will realize that this is where it all started.

I am not going to list more. You should see where I am going with this. Having at least one team shirt with many accomplishments listed is extremely valuable in my opinion.

In short, should you list your sponsors, names, awards and accomplishments on you shirt? HECK YES. Just don't brag about it verbally and always carry a humble attitude. It is almost guaranteed to work in your favor.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Let's avoid the "If its ok for football, its ok for me" logic. Though I believe the moral decision based on it is true. This logic seems to go against FIRST's changing the culture mentality.

Not trying to single Dan out, I've just seen this argument made on a few occasions and thought we can all use a reminder on occasion.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

I dunno, it seems that FIRST has no problem with the sport concept. The direct connection to the relevance of sports is becoming stronger not weaker.

To add - we, ourselves, risk becoming negative and our passion distorted, if we don't remain somewhat open-minded and flexible in our thinking. Gracious Professionalism is as wonderful an attitude and applicable philosophy as it ever has been.

.02

Jane

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

I apologize, this post is going to be rather general, in my opinion this decision does not involve GP, it does not involve the community, it involves you and being proud of your accomplishments. I would caution against putting awards on shirts, it means that shirts cannot be reused from year to year.

Art is right, if you are so worried about offending someone that you are no longer proud of your accomplishments... well that is just pathetic. As Art said, if someone is offended by your listing of accomplishments then they need to stop thinking of what they didn't do and instead start thinking of what they need to do to win.

I'm going to end with another quote, Ray Bradbury. In Fahrenheit 451 he talks about how censorship destroyed our culture. The truly terrifying part is that this was no state mandated censorship, the people did it. That is what you are doing if you let the fear that you might possibly be "Non-GP".
I am not saying that you should start cursing and insulting people, instead I am saying do not be afraid to disagree in a professional and respectful manner. You have an opinion, it is just as important as anyone else's, don't ever let anyone take that away from you.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Andrew, your caution also applies to sponsors. Many teams get new shirts every year to reflect new sponsors; when this change happens, the award list can change.

Or you can put a year and event tag on the award; this allows for reuse each year.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

"My other T-shirt lists all our awards... but it's too big to wear." :D

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

I deffinately agree with you. It's something you feel proud of and if that's how and where you want to display that pride, then go for it! I know we don't have room on our shirts for much because we have a bunch of sponsors. I deffinately think that it's a great thing to be proud of your accomplishments and I say go for it.

Cass

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Past performance is not indicative of future results.

Re: Gracious Professionalism or NOT?
 

Agreed, you never know what could happen.

Cass