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Is this still 2008 data? If it counts 2009 as well, 116 also has 8 Autodesk Visualization Awards. And by my count, 192 only has 6 AVAs, though that might result from the same reason why 116 only show 7 (old AVA rules allowed for teams to win AVA tropies at events they did not attend as regionals were grouped into "districts").

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Yes, I still have a day job, so I haven't had time to extract and add the 2009 awards since Eric told me where to find the missing data around 2 o'clock. :rolleyes:
I crunch numbers at lunchtime, breaks, and after work, unless it's a 30 second task.

I'm teaching the control system to a rookie team tonight, so while I've grabbed the missing 2009 awards from FIRST Fantasy (thanks Eric), I probably won't have an updated list until tomorrow.

In the meantime you guys and gals might want to resist repeating that whole list each time you respond. It's making the thread a little hard to read.

P.S.
Sorry, Pete. I forgot to respond directly to your question too.
177 & 217's Division wins don't show up since there's no 2009 data included, and I made a mistake w/71's total of only 4. (Pete helped me figure that one out.)

This awards data also hasn't been vetted. I only took 5 minutes to throw together what I had handy, and didn't take especial care since I was already lacking the 2009 data anyway. There are some missing (and even duplicate awards)

I've integrated the 2009 data, but I'll do a first pass through the awards to verify it before I post an update.

If anyone has corrections, please PM or email them to me. Thanks.

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Mark, I can give you any future award data in any format you want if this would make your job a little easier. As long as FIRST posts it I can get at it. Additionally, while the data is missing from the Event Awards page it is actually on the Team Data page. (http://www2.usfirst.org/2009comp/events/NH/awards.html and https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....A5F6XsO26E683D respectively)

Just let me know if you want some help. (I figure it is rude not to offer since the data you have is helpful to everyone)

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I was referring to 68.

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I thought Pink did a pretty cool trick with pulling themselves all the way up for raising the bar in 2004. I don't think anyone got higher off the ground. Also one other thing that should have its own record is 190's 2004 auto mode which was a work of art.

-Drew

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Second 190's 2004 robot, that machine was amazing. I can still remember when they finally got themselves up on the bar and how loud the audience yelled, and then even louder when they removed the the 2x ball from the opposing goal.

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I remember that match too! That said, they were pretty hit or miss that year. We were really worried about playing them, but they fell over on the stairs in autonomous, making it a 2v1 match. That happened a few times at BAE, and I believe as the season progressed they gave up trying for the stairs in autonomous as it was too risky. I'm not surprised 190 has the most Xerox creativity awards, it seems every year they build something real out of the box that is just plain neat. Sometimes it excels (see 2007), and sometimes it falls flat (see 2005), but it is always neat to watch their crate open!

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Pretty sure they were doing the stairs all through Phoenix, which was after BAE, but not actually hanging in auto. They'd get set, but not hang. 330 did the same sort of thing, but didn't use the steps; they went up the side and reached for the bar from the low step. (330 also couldn't move the ball from side to side, just knock it out.)

190's coolest device that year, though, was a laminated piece of paper known as the "Dean Device". It velcroed to a wheel and reached across the line so that they were technically in the proper starting position--touching the floor on both sides of the line--while the entire drivetrain was lined up with the steps. Said device was colored and shaped to match a denim-clad arm and hand reaching out and putting one finger down on the ground.

There is also a video around of them vaulting over team 237 at a post-season and hanging. It's pretty cool to watch.

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What about the fastest robot? I've heard something like 25mph from one team in 2008, and I believe they were the world champs. 2008 is the game for something like that.

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If somebody had a 25 mph robot, they were going way too fast. That's about 36-37 feet per second, which puts you into the diamond plate on the other end before you even get up to speed. (54-foot field, minus about 3 feet for the robot length means that you hit at 1.39 seconds, and that's some killer acceleration, about 26 ft/second^2 or 0.818 g's.) 25 ft/second is more likely; few did that.

Now, the drag race winner was team 102, Gearheads. I'm not sure how fast their robot went, though.

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Hmm, yes I was thinking that maybe 25ft/sec was actually correct, but mph rings a clearer bell. But I think that was probably their top speed. During a match, 25ft/sec more accurate.

Well then, maybe we should say who had the fastest top speed and who had the fastest top speed in a match. And maybe average top speed. Acch, probably to complicated. Who has a really fast robot? :D

Here's another one: longest living robot. Does a team still have their robot from 1992?

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102 in 2008 was "geared for 30fps but goes 27fps" and according to a mentor was averaging 23fps per match.

I believe both 190 and 126 still have their 1992 bots.

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As the season progressed, the robot got better and better at hanging in autonomous. At Championships and the off-seasons, we were hanging with more consistency. While it was rather bang-bust, I would have to say that the bang was pretty well worth the occasional bust.

The device you describe is the "Kamen Straddling Device", or KSD for short. At kickoff that year, Dean asked teams to not be rules lawyers and to take the rules at face value. He pointed at the floor and said "This is straddling, this is not". We took that to heart and blew-up an image of Dean's arm, laminated it and used is for the KSD. I'll try and post a picture of it later. He even autographed one of them.

The video of us vaulting over 237 at RiverRage can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nnGGRi-94&NR=1

Additionally, teams 190 and 126 still have their machines from that year. I believe team 191's is still at FIRST Place in Manchester.

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2004 had a special class of robots: the bar-blockers. Teams 64, 237, 330, 868, and 1266 (2004 rookie) were sliders; 190 simply got up and put out a pair of lexan arms atop the bar. 868 made it to Einstein that year. If one of those robots made it to the bar against you, you were 50 points in the hole with a chance of being 100 points in the hole. I believe all of them were picked for eliminations at at least one event just because of that. To make matters worse (or better), a couple of them could remove the doubler balls from their opponent's stationary goal, putting said opponent even further in the hole points-wise. Definitely worth the occasional bust, just for the points advantage (and the excitement of seing how the opponents would try to get up this time :p). As for which one was best, nobody really figured that one out at the time. 190 gets most effective, though, for the ball-stealing ability they had.

It was always exciting if two bar-blockers faced off. See the linked video for a prime example (190 vs 237). I know 330 and 190 met once in Arizona; 330 and 237 met once or twice in Atlanta; 330 and 1266 met a couple times at an offseason, but I don't think they met during the season. Not sure if 64 played against 330 or 190 at all that year; same for 868 playing any of the others.

The strategy was easy to beat, though, especially if there were ever two bar-blockers on the same alliance. You just had to use the mobile goals and double those. Fortunately, the small-ball/doubler ball robots were the usual partners for the bar-blockers and canceled out the other alliance's score. Or you just kept the blockers off the bar, though with them going out and partway up in auto, that was kind of tricky.

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Yah, whenever they tipped over in auto, my grandfather would turn to me and say, "When will they ever learn that that won't work." But what made their first time up even more impressive/awesome was that whenever they did make it up and grab hold with their arm, they got stuck.:rolleyes:

Does anyone know how far up 233 went on the bar? I never got to see that robot but 190 also went up so that they could grab on with a mechanism on the top of their robot.

Oh, and when 501 came up under 190 and snapped a lexan wing in half so get up, that was pretty funny.