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Anyone know a robot that was just amazing at something? Perhaps it had the strongest drive train, most unorthodox approach to the game, fastest scorer, or anything else noteworthy?

These can be new or old records, but I'd prefer they be a bit more then "check out this robot, its strong" Please give an example of something that made it amazing or something to back it up.

The example that made me choose to start this thread is below. It is a story of a team that literally built their robot in 10 hours at championship. I think this has to be the fastest build of a competitive robot in FIRST.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=27919

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There's been a 6-hour one out here. SVR 2001; team in question, 692's rookie robot. They made their last practice match. That's probably the fastest team build, too--the team barely had anything during the build season, IIRC.

Largest competitive collaboration would have to go to the NiagraFIRST Triplets (1114, 1503, 1680) at three teams. I can't think of a single example of another three-team collaboration, let alone one that did so well.

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The third team was 1680.

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Best strategic use of a game element has to go to 67 (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/17609) And related to that, most impressive human player from 2004 goes to 1241. I think I saw them miss 2 shots in all the matches I watched.

I'll post more when I think of them.

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1902 was part of a 3 way collab with 1251 and some other team this year too. If I were a Floridian I'd remember, whoops.

I'd argue 987 pushing a tube onto 71's ramps in the last seconds of Einstein Final 3 is also a contender for best strategic use of a game object (if that was intentional, sure looked like it).

Highest score ever: 710 points as far as I know.

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Team 408.

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Amazing Robots:
71 2002, 60 2002 (60 Couldn't really be beaten until they met 71)
111 2003 Autonomous (StangPS)
1114 2008

See the "History of First" PPT Here for more

Most Championship Wins: 71
Most Regional Wins: 254
Teams who have won a regional every year (not rookies or second year): 1983, 2056, 254
Longest winning streak (of one regional): 254 (8 consecutive years, Silicon Valley)
Most Blue Banners: 71/254 Tied with 22

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Longest time in FIRST - 20, 45, 126, 148, 151, 190, 191

Most Championship Chairman's - 191 (2)
(with the new rules this could change!)

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Team Titanium (1986) made an awesome catapult last year !

Check out the announcer on Blue Alliance !
http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/match/2009arc_qm32

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Easiest thirty points ever: a broken 1755 starting the match atop a similarly-broken 1850 during a qualification match at the 2007 Midwest Regional. (Video on TBA here.) Faced with a 1v3 match, their third partner (you might've heard of them) made use of a Q&A ruling that declared stacking robots at the start of a match legal. The plan worked--the alliance won 46-10.

The strategy was banned the very next week.

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Push of tube was great intentional last second call of Marc Rogers, our drivers coach who had seen numerous examples during matches of bots having difficulty getting on ramps when tubes had fallen on decks. He saw opportunity to help one wind up on deck and I would have to agree it ranks among the best uses of game object ever (not that I am biased;) )

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My team didn't really accomplish an engineering feat or anything of the sorts. But we did mannage to jump from dead last place (Out of about 45 teams maybe?) In 2008. To 8th place in the semis this year.

P.S. Joe. Thatwas one of the greats matches I've ever watched. The tube was amazing.

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Yes.
Marc Rogers is truly one of the best coaches out there.
I'd be nervous if he was my coach. Very intense.
Certainly the best 8th seed alliance ever at Championships.

254 is the best team never to win at Championships. Not even a close second.

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233 takes the second, I think.

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We had a discussion a while earlier about the most isolated team in FRC.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...solated+tea m

I'd be interested in seeing who travels the greatest distance during a full FRC season.

Another one... what is the greatest distance ever driven to get to a regional? How about to a Championship? Teams with eternal bus trips... speak up!

What is the greatest number of consecutive seasons in which a team has:

a) Qualified for Championships by winning a regional or regional chairman's award?
b) Won an official FRC award of any description. (We're on a five year streak... not bad for a six year old team... but I know there are some much, much longer "winning streaks" out there.)

Actually... this is the sort of thing that belongs on a wiki, isn't it?

Jason

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Most recent rookie to win championships:
Team 100 in 1995

190, 987, 177: Only 8th seed alliance to win a division (and championships)

Longest streak of appearances on Einstein: 177 Bobcats (2006-2009)

Longest undefeated streak in a season: 67 HOT in 2009 with 38 straight matches

Most gold medals in a season: 6 gold medals (67 HOT in 2005 and 2009 and 1114 in 2008)

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Team 60's Drive to Atlanta this year was pretty far.

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We have won at least one for the last 8 years (all 12 years except 2001). I have gone back as far as I could and any records before 2002 are choppy and unreliable.

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330 has at least one per year since 2001, counting regional wins/finalists. I'd have to ask the veterans if we won anything in 2000; if we did, the streak goes back to 1999.

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It's not hard to find these things out...:yikes:
330 was a 2000 CA Finalist

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I'm pretty sure both of those go to 254, who has won regionals for 11 straight years (every single year). I went through checking the teams you might think would match or pass them. The only two who had awards listed all the way back to 2001 (limit of records on US First) were 111 and 68 (who had one year were the only listed accomplishment was a student's scholarship). (I'm sure I forgot to check a few "major" teams who have been around since the number lock.)

EDIT: found one, 469, but they have only been around since 2000

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Buzz (175) has won at least one regional/field for the past 10 years. Except that one year, when they won the Chairman's award (this was prior to the existence of the Regional Chairman's award). :ahh:

Team Hammond (71) has 5 Championship/National Finals appearances (1997, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2007), with 4 Championship/National wins (1997, 2001, 2002, 2004). As Dave Verbrugge pointed out, Beatty has now graduated two freshman classes who never saw a Championship win, but they have yet to graduate one who hasn't seen a Championship finals appearance, a feat no other team has come close to matching.

Hyper (69) had quite the 2004. Their robot never lost a match in two regionals. They tied a match or two, and their elimination alliances lost a match or two when HYPER was sitting out.* Unfortunately, they elected not to go to the Championship that year, as if they did I'd imagine they were on crash course with the Beatty Beast. Obviously, it's impressive, but even more uniquely, it didn't have a collecting mechanism for the 5 point balls. Instead, it was well equipped for the 50 point bonus for hanging from a 10 foot chin-up bar, and capping the goals with the big yellow Doubler Ball (which, doubled the points value of the balls in that goal). Does anyone have a better picture of HYPER from 2004? Hyper also took a nasty spill that year. One of the biggest audience reactions I remember from the past 6 years.

*In 2004, matches were played with 2 robots on the field, but alliances consisted of one team, so one robot was left sitting out.

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Here's a better view of the catapult making some shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-eQgjjvxDk

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Well, I don't know about the greatest distance traveled, but I do know the shortest!
Team 1967 Janksters walks to and from SVR every day of competition since our school campus is only 10-15 minutes walking distance from the SJSU Event Center :)

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I think 236 won 7 times? At least, they've won every year there's been an RCA.

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Yes, they were part of the San Jose Regional finalists.
It was 330 (#1 seed, I believe), 368 and 359 (both Hawaii rookies), against 60, 254, and I dont remember.....who won the regional. I was there screaming my lungs out. ;)

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Thats pretty close, but there might be some events hosted at the same location where a team works.

For example, SVR used to be hosted at NASA Ames where 254 works... (It was still probably a 10 minute walk across base).

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WPI is hosting a regional this year, and their campus is not too large. I'd give them a 5 minute walk from their shop to the field house, tops.

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Team 1787 got the Zerox Creativity award 2 years in a row, for our 2008 hoop herdier robot, and our 2009 wood, duck tape, and zip tie robot. Also, on the 2009 robot, we mananged to install our convayer belt in 10 minutes and had it up and running in under a half hour.

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I know everyone wants in a record book and tell of their accomplishments. But please don't pat yourself on the back too hard here. The point of this thread is to talk about amazing feats. True, you might have accomplished something amazing. But unless someone else finds it noteworthy enough to post, please refrain from discussing it yourself. This just makes a person look like a bit self centered. Sure, you might have done good. Making it to championships is great. But how many teams have gone? That isn't exactly a record.

Sorry if this post is out of line. I just would like to keep this thread from becoming a "hey, look what I did" thread.

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How about teams that went undefeated (until championship) in a single season, but participated in more than one regional?

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25 in 2006 comes to mind immediately. They went through New Jersey, Las Vegas, and Friday in Atlanta before taking their first loss of the season on Saturday morning.

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397 is <1 miles away from Kettering District I wouldn't want to measure walking distance, it is cold during competition season. 1506 is in the building across the street and can take the tunnel most of the way to the competition. (For anyone who hasn't seen KU/heard about it, we have a tunnel that goes to 3/5 of our buildings so going outside is nearly completely optional)

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In terms of highest score in a match, I think it's pretty hard to judge year-to-year due to physical limitations on scoring (i.e. a limited number of game pieces), as well as the actual point value of the game piece in question. In 2006, every time a ball was scored, it could be recycled onto the field and scored again, which led to some extremely high scores. However, in 2009, there was a limited supply of moon rocks; once they were scored, they were scored, and could not be re-entered into the field of play. In 2008, a single hurdle could get your team 8 points, whereas in 2007, the scoring system was slightly more complicated in that it was dependent on the number of tubes in a row or column.

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Not even that, more like 1 minute.

Also, I believe the most number of awards earned by a single team in a season goes to 64 The Gila Monsters, with 13 in 2005.

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As far as dominant robots go, it is hard to argue against Team 1114, Simbotics, in 2008. Three regional championships and then the World Champions. Doesn't get much more dominant than that! Just check out Blue Alliance to see how dominent they were, we know as we ran into them twice during the season... Unfortunately for us!

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Eh. This is an interesting topic. Yes 1114 was very good in 2008, but I wouldn't say that they were the best robot from that year (16, 67, and 330 immediately come to mind) and I would not call them dominant. I would say that dominant would be every tournament you went to you won without any loses and faced some really good teams in the process. Several teams that year were able to stop them with defense that season, if those teams hadn't played defense they would have won.

These are my thoughts on the matter, other people will have their opinions on these statements, but I don't believe that just because they won 3 regionals and a championship means that they are dominant robot. 1024 also won 3 regionals and made it to einstein as well.

1114- Good robot? Definitely a strong robot.

1114- Dominant? No, they were not the best on the field.

my $0.02

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I have to agree but only due to poor terminology. 1114 was not the best robot they were the best team. 1114 did not win because their robot was "made of pure win" they won because they knew how to play the game. They scouted, they practiced, they strategized, and they executed. Winning a match is not something a robot does, winning is a team effort that requires the cooperation of dozens of individuals.

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Wildstang has at least one award trophy from every year in the program all the way back to 1996.

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A bunch of teams got together at the 2009 SD regional and built a robot for a team from Brazil (3032) in about 6 hours. I don't think anyone timed it but that has to be close to a record.
It was a completely student driven effort and a great display of caring amongst several teams. Team 3032 passed inspection on Friday morning and ended up in about 18th place, if I remember correctly.

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Team 67- First team to win on Einstein and Championship Chairmans in the same year (2005)

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I've got to ask, can you name a better 2008 robot? 1114 was in my mind the best robot / drive team combination, but I can't think of a robot better suited to playing Overdrive than 1114's robot.

7 losses all season isn't dominant? They won Midwest, a stacked event with 16 / 1024 / 33 / 111 / 71; went an entire regional without scoring under 100 points (GTR), undefeated in a VERY stacked division, and it took an unfortunate tipped teammate to give them their only loss in Atlanta. I fail to see how that's anything short of dominant. If anything, 1114 was one of the best at scoring THROUGH defense in 2008. I just don't get how you can look at their record and go "well they were good but not amazing"

Even Beatty 2002 lost matches.

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I'm with Chris. Most dominant robot I have seen in my six years of FIRST.

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Better robot from 08? IMHO:

71, 254, 968, 217, & 1625

But like Andrew said, you couldn't beat the robot/driver/team combination, if you really think about it, Simbotics was the most dominant team in 2008. Its not about the robot, its how you use the robot that counts.

Again, in my opinion, telling someone that they have the most dominant TEAM is more of a compliment than just telling them they have a dominant robot.

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Agreed.

Their scoring in teleop might have been on par with about half a dozen teams out there, but the consistency of their auton was unmatched.

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I'm mostly speaking from a strictly "all other things equal" comparison (which I should have made to clear and I guess isn't very simple to accurately judge) in terms of the robot. Given 1114's drive team, strategy, scouting, pit crew, and... team, they could have won the Championship with several 2008 robots.

Anyway, back to records now, shall we? Can anyone contest Wildstang for most consecutive "trophy year"s?

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Which is exactly what we were saying. ;)

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Okay so you all have made some pretty good statements. Yes I will say that team 1114 was the dominant team not robot in 2008. We sat in front of them at IRI in 2008. Their scouts had these huge binders each and our team had a simple sheet of paper for each team the entire weekend, and it was very intimidating for us;) . 1114 has a very strong team altogether, but I will stand behind what I said that they had a good robot, not dominant.

@chris- Yes they had 7 losses all season, but that doesn't mean they are unstoppable. Midwest had some pretty good teams there, but they weren't scoring 120+ points a match. 111, 1625, and 16 brought a lot up against them but they did overcome it. Now as for GTR and Waterloo. Those are two regionals which (please these are my thoughts and feelings on these regionals from 2008, not all the time) had little competition against 1114. Together with 2056 anyone could bet that there would be little to no opposition against them. So those two regionals were easish wins, but they were still earned by them.

Just remember everyone, what I said is based on what I have seen both personally and online. Believe me, and my mother will vouch for me. 2008 I watched way too many videos than I probable should have, and those were the conclusions that I have come up with.

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BrendanB,

You have a right to your opinion, but in my 10 years of FIRSTonly two robots come to mind with the word domination: 71 in 2001 and 1114 in 2008.

No one else was even close during the regular season. You can't make a judgment based on what you saw at IRI. I saw these guys all season and they dominated the field. On Galileo, they were unstoppable. Both 16 and 67 were against them in the finals on Einstein and we all know how that turned out. Pretty much any two robots from Galileo matched with 1114 would have made it out of that division. We called it the Simbot Lottery.

Paul

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I do love our 08 Robot, Barricade, but I would say that 1114's was a better design for Overdrive.

1114's 2008 robot was amazing. They might have been beatable in a few matches, but when paired with another good team, they were pretty much unstoppable. Sure, if they had come out of Galileo with no scoring alliance partners and were up against 968/233 and 67/16 they could probably be beat, but thats besides the point as their dominance assured them that they would be able to pick another good robot.

The only other robots that I have heard of which came close to that dominance were teams 71 and 60 in 2002 (71 eventually beating 60 at the Championship). 1114 2008 is certainly the most dominant robot in my time in FIRST, but 2 seasons isn't saying too much.

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Most matches ever played by a robot in a season?

During Lunacy (thanks to the MI district format), teams 67 and 1918 each played 87 matches between districts, State, and the Championship.

Including post-season competitions (TARDEC/IGVC, MARC, and WMRI), Team 1918 played a total of 141 matches.

I think that may be the most. Does anybody know of a robot that has played more?

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Probably 217 they did go to the midwest regional as well as the district comps, states, and champs.

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Nope, HOT beats 217 by (drum roll please) 1 match. 99 vs 98.

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I believe 111 in 2009 is the only team to win a Championship without losing a match at the Championship event i.e. 17-0.

177 has the most Einstein appearances at 5.
71 and 217 have 4 each.

25, 177 and 217 each have won 3 different Championship divisions.
25 needs Galileo
177 needs Curie
217 needs Newton

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I actually sat out the 2008 season, so I can't comment on that, but almost a decade later, I'll never forget how dominant that 71 machine from 2001 was.

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Regarding the most matches in a season: The Blue Alliance data includes the IRI. During the "regular season", HOT played 87 matches and the Thunder Chickens played 85. I believe that both attended other post-season competitions in addition to the IRI, so their "overall" totals would be more than what shows on TBA.

Regarding dominant robots: Team 71 in 2001 was long before my time in FRC, but the fact that so many people still talk about it says a lot. Team 1114 in 2008 was the most dominant I have seen. Both these robots were able to "dominate" because they had a strong organization and a unique design. Every year it seems that most robot designs can be lumped into certain "types". In 2008, there were a lot of good hurdlers, but the Simbot dominated because its simple and effective ball collector was't just the best of its "type" - it was the only one of it's type and it worked great! From what I hear, the same was true of Team 71's robot in 2001 - it was the only one of its "type" and it worked great. You can have an excellent machine, but its hard to dominate when it is just the best its "type". A lot of "unique" machines do poorly (we have the experience to prove that!). However, when you come up with the killer design that others missed, and your team behind knows how make the most of it, then you can truly dominate the field.

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I'm gonna have to throw 71's 2002 walking bot in the discussion for dominance as well. It probably doesn't show in their match results, but that's because the scoring was different then.

In 2002, your score for a match you won was something like (Your Score) + 2*(Opponent's Score), so you wanted to win a very close match (like now but on steroids). If you lost it was 2X your score or something like that. Winning the individual match was almost secondary. Hammond's bot wasn't designed for this type of scoring. It was designed to do one thing, dominate each match. The Qualification rounds were basically a tournament to determine who'd get to draft The Beast.

I remember, very distinctly, sitting in our brainstorming rooms shortly after kick-off, and our lead mentor saying, "Just wait until you freshmen see Hammond walking down the field juggling all three trailers." Little did he know how right he'd be.

I'm also in agreement that 1114's 2008 bot (and team) was one of THE BEST ever. Their average margin of victory was something like 63 points; whereas their average margin of defeat was around 12. There's also something to be said that they only lost 2 matches all year when they got to pick their partners.

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71 ties 177 for Einstein appearances; they took Finalist in 2007 to go along with those four wins. They lost that year to none other than 177, 987, and 190.

Number of Championship wins:
71: 4 (and a finalist)
217, 67, 111, 148: 2 each; 67 and 111 have the added bonus of the Chairman's Award
All other championship winners have one win each.

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Incorrect 71's first Championship was 1997 before Einstein was the final four division. Einstein and divisions came into existence in 2001. Also that would still make it 6 to 5, 71 knocked 177 out in the championship semi-final that year which would equate to the first round on Einstein.

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What exactly made 1114's design 'one of a kind'? 503's robot was very similar overall. There pickup, which you mention, was very similar to 1625 (who had two rollers not one).

I contend that 1114 was not sucessful only because of their design. I'm sure you could have given 1114's design to every team at kickoff and only a very select few teams would be as good. 1114's attention to detail, drive for sucess, driver practice and stratedy was what made them different. Every time they had a match, you knew they would have the best strategy, get atleast 4 lines with 2 balls knocked down, and would get atleast 4 hurdles. Teams could have similar autonomous points or have the same amount of hurdles, but no team could do both of them nearly every single match. It wouldn't be fair for me to speak about any team before 2006, but since Aim High, there has been no team close to how dominate 1114 was in 2008.

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I just wanted to throw it out there that it is a fact that 1114's robot was a simple robot (if you look at how it was built) and their drivers had a lot of practice time with it. Their drivers knew exactly how to drive that great robot perhaps making them a threat at each event they have attended in 2008.

... also someone pointed out earlier that they were dominant through the times when defense was played against them. I remember very well when I was standing right by the field and 330 went against 1114. 330 took 1114's trackball and kept it in a corner by the human player station and also trapped it in their robot with their mechanism. 1114's driver didn't hesitate to come around to suck that ball out of 330's mechanism. Now that's what I called a robot and a drive team that is unstoppable.

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I think 1114 in 2008 was one of the few teams that could play well through defense. There were several times teams crumbled when their trackballs would be pinned or they'd encounter heavy traffic. 1114 could play through that. The other intangible they had was their confidence. They knew what they were capable of. For example, how often does a team go into an elimination match down 3v2 at the championships and win?

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503 changed their design to what Simbotics was doing at GLR that season, their intial robot didn't really look like 1114.

As for how dominant 1114 was that season, they were one of the only teams that could run a lap in auto, remove both balls and then score 4-6 balls a match. As strong as I think 254, 233, 330, 67 and 16 were, none of them could do this consistently. Also 1114 beat the following teams on their way to winning the championship: 121, 176, 330, 195, 40, 1717, 254, 968, 233, 60, 67, and 16. Just think about how many good teams that is.

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If you asked the teams you name if they thought they had a better robot than 1114, I think they'd probably tell you no.

There is no question in my mind that they had the best robot, strategy, and drive team.

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Ours when it was all working and driving smooth was getting there IMIO, but 1114 was so much simpler and more elegant, which led to robustness and overall smoothness. Meaning they could consistently dominate rather than just mostly dominate

i believe they had the better bot

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My guess is that 1114 would probably say they weren't the best. I don't really know 1114, but most teams would deny any such proposal.

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Aren I agree that 1114's design was wonderfully simple and elegent, not to mention geometrically clever. But as far as hitting upon a winning concept and approach to the game, your 2008 bot was identicle in principle. Fast, reliable ball aquisition via inward-spinning rollers, lift the ball efficiently to a launch position, reliable launcher, fast and manuverable drivetrain, re-capture the same ball after each hurdle, play aggressively. Even a similar added-on knock-down flapper. And somehow fitting it all into the starting envelope. They may have had the resources to build a more polished machine, but as far as a clever and winning approach, your 2008 bot was almost an exact match. I think they might have done even better with your excellent swerve drive. Your ability to play the whole match in the same orientation was really effective. Did you ever face them? Who learned more from the other?

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We faced them 5 times between midwest and IRI, and boy was it nervewracking seeing them over there

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A lot of the best at X item will point to someone else as the best. Part of being the best is knowing that somebody out there is better.

And I think that 330 shouldn't be listed next to 1114 in 2008--1114 was simply much better.

Why debate whether one robot is better than another in a given season, even after it ends? 2008 is long over; 2009 is gone; we're approaching the 2010 season and a new "best robot", if such a thing is even possible. You've spent about 15-20 posts debating whether 1114 in 2008 was the best robot in that year. Shouldn't you be debating who's the best RCA contender in CT/your choice of regional instead? How about going out and inspiring a few younger students (aka recruiting)?

To get back on topic (and answer Chris's question from before this big discussion), 236 holds 7 RCAs (GSR, 3x New England, 3x CT), going back to the first year of the RCA. I don't think anyone else has gotten that many.

2056 was 5-for-5 on regional wins going into the 2009 Toronto regional--that's every regional they'd entered, they'd won. They are now 5-for-6 on regional wins.

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This is incorrect. Team 2056 is 6 for 6 in regional competitions, winning the Waterloo and Greater Toronto Regionals in 2007, 2008 and 2009. On top of this, all 6 regionals were won with the same drive team. I've had the pleasure of watching all 6 of these victories in person and I can say with confidence that this is one of the most remarkable streaks in FIRST.

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For RCAs I believe the second to that record is 842 iirc.

Do 1114 and 2056 have the record for most events won together?

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I guess somebody needs to tell FIRST that they've got the team info page wrong, then. The team page (where I got my initial information) shows that they only won quality; the event page shows the win. 6 for 6 it is.

That makes it a tough streak to beat: every regional event they've been in, they've won.

The 2056/1114 combination is really tough to beat. 5 straight wins together, and if I recall correctly, each others' first pick every time. The streak-breaker was 1114 not being at Waterloo 2009, so they're still 5 for 5 when they're at the same event. Best way to break that: Seed first and pick the lower-ranked one, or a better team. Odds of doing so: pretty bad so far.

Also note that there are very few teams to pull off the FRC Triple Play award combination (RCA, WFFA, and Regional Champion at the same event). 1114 did it at the 2008 Waterloo Regional; I think that 217 did something similar back around 2005, but can't remember whether or not it was at one event.

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If you start counting IRI, 1114 and 2056 paired at every event they possibly could until IRI 2009. That's 5 Regionals, 1 Championship division, and 2 IRIs. (I remember thinking at IRI alliance selection that there'd be no way 2056 would be around for 217 to pick 2nd round even if they wanted to...) I don't think either of them were captains, but it just kind of happened that way.

I've joked about wanting to continue that kind of a streak with friendly teams... :)

Wildstang's done it at Midwest before I think (2006), and maybe HOT. (This is my big secret mega goal for 1714 this year but the odds of it happening are nil)

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217 did the triple crown at the Detroit Regional in 2006: regional win, RCA, and Ron Arscheene won the WFFA.

Just to clarify the Einstein visits for 217, since I have seen a few posts about it. We have made it to Einstein 5 times: 2001, 2005, 2006, 2008, and 2009. We have been Finalists once (2009) and Champs twice (2006 and 2008). All three years we were not champs, we were eliminated by the eventual champs.

Ever since the Championship divisions were created, we have made it to the Championships elimination rounds every year although we did not deserve to go in 2004.

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I believe that team 703 has the FIRST record for most wheels in a drive train (at 14) : http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/26312

I would also be surprised if team 25's 2009 robot did not hold the FIRST record for most spur gears.

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They also have a mistake for us - it does not show that we won regional chairmans at Midwest in 2006.

We also did it in 2005.

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987 posted triple in 2008 at LVR. I bet there are more out there than you think who accomplished this or even back to back triples...

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A cool stat to see as well would be how many teams have posted the "career" triple crown, winning a regional, RCA, and WFFA, even if not at the same event or even in the same year. My guess is there would be quite a few of these teams.

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MOE also did this in 2005 at the Philly Regional (which was, coincidentally, was the year where the game was called Triple Play as well)

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I agree with Paul on this. 71 in 2001 was thee most dominant design I can ever remember. They absolutely nailed it when it comes to the perfect design and strategy for the game. 1114 is a close 2nd in nailing the design and strategy for a game, in 2008.

And as long as we are discussing 71, 1114 and records, how about the biggest upset ever in FIRST? I say it is this year when 2041, 1732 and 1652 coming out of nowhere to beat none other than 71, 1114 and 1000 in the 1st round of elims at Midwest. They were badly beat the 1st match and figured out the strategy to win the last 2

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That's an impressive record in itself. Anyone know what other teams make this list?

Taking that a step further, it would be interesting to see what teams have finished most consistently at championship. These stats would be interesting for both "of all time" and since 2001 (Divisions). I have started the list:

Wins: 71 (4), 71 (3)
Top 2: 71 (5), 71(4)
Top 4: ???, 177/217 (5)
Top 8: ???,???
Top 16: ???,???

Anyone have the time to fill in the rest and/or correct/confirm my information? Calculating this as a percentage of years involved could also be interesting (With a minimum of 4 or 5 years of participate to be included). This would jump the newer, but outstanding teams like 1114 up the list.

On a different, but related note, 25,177 and 217 are all not currently on the Championship list. 25 and 177 are on the waitlist and 217 is from Michigan.

-Eric

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I don't think it can be beat.

Previously I believe 254 held the longest initial win streak at 5 between 1999 and 2002.

I know 254 has. I'm pretty sure 111 has. 71? Did they make elims in 03?

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Since the advent of alliances in 1999 here are the teams who have made the elimination rounds every year:

33
71
111
175
254

(Neat fact 33, 111 & 254 were all on the same alliance in 2001)

If you restrict the time period to since the establishment of divisions in 2001, the list grows to the following group:

33
71
111
175
217
254
469

2006 was a rough year for many top teams. If you remove 2006 from the equation, Teams 45, 67 & 68 would all be on these lists.

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25 had the triple win at Trenton in 2006.

What's the largest drive wheel ever used in FRC?

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Striker 101 is sponsored by a wheelchair company i believe, i've seen them with some 20+" diameter wheels

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I think it's a big upset in that "they beat 71 and 1114", though 3 capable scorers generally can beat two excellent scorers and an absolute non scorer in Lunacy. I think the upset was magnified by the unfamiliarity of Lunacy. Still a massive upset and incredible achievement; can't exactly think of a bigger upset (though pre-serpentine quarterfinal upsets are probably greater accomplishments).

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1108, 447, and 492 are the only 8th seed to ever beat the 1st seed in Atlanta before the advent of the serpentine draft (Galileo, 2005). I watched it happen, but I don't remember any particularly big gameplay moments (but then again, I was pretty short and sitting in MOE territory while they were playing :p), just afterwards being like, "that was weird" and looking it up on CD to find I'd witnessed FIRST history.

At regionals, IMHO there is a much greater potential for bad picks by unprepared top seeds and always has been. While some of these wins may be remarkable, I'd venture a decent portion of them are based in partly on the poor picks of others.

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False. Consider when that third non scoring bot plays D on either of the 3 "capable" robots, you are essentially playing a 2 on 2 match with two mediocre scorers against two phenomenal machines.

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I meant to mention "with defense from each of the capable robots", because if you shut down one threat in a 2 v 3 scoring match, you can outscore them (especially if you're proficient at scoring while playing defense like 1732). It's not a predictable result of that matchup (maybe I should just get rid of my old post, it's hard to word what I think correctly. I'm am engineering student after all)

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I'm willing to bet that the large majority of "absolute non-scorers" would play the sort of defense that would have Derek & Brian jumping for joy at all the scoring opportunities. ;)

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It didn't really work out that way, though. After the first match (where the #8 alliance had 2041 do empty cells*), 1732 played defense on 1114 and tried to score a few, hoping to come close to canceling out their scoring, leaving 2041 and 1652 to outscore 71 and 1000, who had no scoring mechanism. In the 3rd match (maybe even in the 2nd, too), 1000 was sent to set picks or block 1732 to allow for 1114 to score. So, that took away the #1 allance's defender, making it a true 2 v 1. I think that having 3 scorers to only 2 was HUGE.



*looking back on it, that wasn't a very good strategy. We felt we needed to score atleast 1 super cell to win a match and 2041 had a dedicated empty cell mechanism, so they were probably the best at it. Well, their trailor got loaded up while picking up and delievering the EC and it took away our best moonrock scorer.

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I stress the word in Chris' post "generally." Not specifically your match.

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It could only be beat if a team wins a regional they didn't compete in. Possible, but highly shady.

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Best use of autonomous -

6 keepers scored in autonomous at the 2007 IRI.

I believe there was also a full rack scored.

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Most jaw dropping auton in 2007, 910 with the double keepers. (I can't recall if they did it in competition but just that they ever came close was impressive)

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Best use of strategy to create a new game rule -

Raul stacking a disabled robot (prior to the start of the match) on top of a functioning one to get the bonus points in the 2007 game.

There was soon after a rule prohibiting such an action.

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Not quite--33 was #1 on Archimedes in 2004, picked 60 and 1241, and was promptly knocked out in two matches in the quarters by 121, 237, and 386.

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It was almost a full rack, 2 spiders were left open.

For those whom haven't seen it, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02DOVK0mFQ

That was an amazing match!

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Less than a week.

Best use of a robot as part of the field: 111 again, 2001. That year featured a seesaw that robots and goals crossed and balanced on. They took most of the rock out of it by being a ramp on one side. Still not a prohibited action...

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Last finals math at ARC (Autumn robotics comp in michigan) they pulled it off, it was quite epic