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David Doerr 25-11-2009 11:28

The Black Jaguar
 
Here is a link to my presentation on the new "Black" Jaguar, hardware version 2 of the Jaguar motor controller: http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=13440

EricVanWyk 25-11-2009 12:45

Re: The Black Jaguar
 
Thanks Dave!

I gave this presentation this weekend, I think it went reasonably well.

Bob Steele 25-11-2009 13:12

Re: The Black Jaguar
 
Erik and Dave,
Thanks for the PDF...
Question 1:

Is this something that will probably be optional to use this year?
I can see they will not be in the kit... but it looked like it might be an option.

Question 2:

Does this also indicate that after a firmware upgrade ... the old gray Jaguars will be able to function in the same way as the new Black one?
Or is the firmware upgrade necessary to allow the Black Jag to work its magic with pig-tailed Gray Jags...??

Thanks for the information..

R

RyanCahoon 25-11-2009 13:23

Re: The Black Jaguar
 
Naive question:

You say the Black Jags are required for CAN, but is there anything (technical, not rules) stopping a team from rolling their own CAN interface to connect to the Gray Jags, assuming the GDC allows teams to use CAN this year?

$3 PIC might be easier to pull off than a $150 motor controller on some budgets...

--Ryan

EricVanWyk 25-11-2009 14:25

Re: The Black Jaguar
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again:

The developers tell you what you CAN do, the GDC tells you what you MAY do.

Beta testers only have access to the developers. Asking them what the GDC will deem legal is painfully pointless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 884246)
Erik and Dave,
Thanks for the PDF...

All the credit belongs to Dave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 884248)
Naive question:

You say the Black Jags are required for CAN, but is there anything (technical, not rules) stopping a team from rolling their own CAN interface to connect to the Gray Jags, assuming the GDC allows teams to use CAN this year?

Nope, CAN is CAN. You can use whatever CAN bridge you want. Note that you would have to run them in 'untrusted' mode.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCahoon (Post 884248)
$3 PIC might be easier to pull off than a $150 motor controller on some budgets...

The black Jags aren't 150$. I don't have actual pricing, but it will be comparable to a grey Jag. Also, if you can make a complete CAN bridge on 3$, please go into business.

ajlapp 25-11-2009 15:43

Re: The Black Jaguar
 
I couldn't get to the PDF just now, but I recall in a conversation with the Jaguar guys last year about non-FIRST applications, that the grey version has CAN and was always available. No firmware mods necessary.

CAN just wasn't allowed during FIRST competition.


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