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JVN 21-12-2009 15:20

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 889677)
I don't think anyone's saying they're "bad" or even "not awesome". But they haven't been at their 2001, 2002, "why even bother competing since Beatty's here" level in many peoples' opinions (They have "just" been amazing instead of completely no contest dominating).

In any game a robot can dominate, Beatty will dominate. IMHO, we haven't had one of those since 2002.

-John

Rion Atkinson 21-12-2009 15:40

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 889644)
In addition, I think you'll find that every one of those highly successful teams have not just one, but several incredibly dedicated mentors that are experts in their field. There is simply no way a single mentor (no matter how dedicated), can provide enough expertise in every field that FIRST touches. The time requirement for a single mentor to even attempt to do that is staggering.

In my honest opinion. One mentor could do it. He doesn't even have to be good at more than one field. Have you ever listen to something someone said and been inspired. It could be a speech of even a sentence. If this one mentor is the type of person that can inspire to no end. Then yes. They could lead the team to victory.

Ian Curtis 21-12-2009 16:09

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Originally Posted by Formerly Famous (Post 889698)
In my honest opinion. One mentor could do it. He doesn't even have to be good at more than one field. Have you ever listen to something someone said and been inspired. It could be a speech of even a sentence. If this one mentor is the type of person that can inspire to no end. Then yes. They could lead the team to victory.

That mentor will burn out. No man [or woman] is an island team. Building robots is very time consuming. Handling the logistics of a robotics team (insurance, bills, school forms, permissions, etc.) is very consuming. There's not enough time to do both.

We don't pretend for a second that 217 is all Paul Copioli, 45 is all Andy Baker, 71 is all Bill Beatty, or 27 is all Kyle Hughes, etc. While all of these people have won awards (and deservedly so) for their efforts as mentors, I'm sure that large networks of others have played huge roles in their (and their teams') successes.

[ONTOPIC] 71 gets my vote. Playing in 4/10 of the final matches of the FIRST season for the past decade (and winning 75% of them!) takes a perfect combination of so many different aspects, its just too hard to top.[/ONTOPIC]

AdamHeard 21-12-2009 16:33

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 889677)
I don't think anyone's saying they're "bad" or even "not awesome". But they haven't been at their 2001, 2002, "why even bother competing since Beatty's here" level in many peoples' opinions (They have "just" been amazing instead of completely no contest dominating). They haven't won the MWR since 2005, for example.

That all being said, I doubt there will ever be a year I would enjoy playing against 71, or not want to be their alliance partner. I don't mean to take anything away from them... They're still one of the top teams in FIRST.

In my opinion, this year was their worst year in recent history, and they still had a great robot; that says something about a team.

waialua359 21-12-2009 18:15

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by JVN (Post 889696)
In any game a robot can dominate, Beatty will dominate. IMHO, we haven't had one of those since 2002.

-John

I'd have to say team 25 in 2006.

waialua359 21-12-2009 18:22

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 889715)
In my opinion, this year was their worst year in recent history, and they still had a great robot; that says something about a team.

I'm not quite sure if it was their "worst year" vs. the different playing field surface and game design that leveled the playing field to some degree.

What's not being said is that many successful teams did it with a great 2nd or 3rd partner. Other than 71 during a few years, I cant recall a team doing it all themselves. And yes, it helps that these teams are able to put themselves in that situation by being great to begin with.

I'd like to see a thread on alliances of the decade where no single team was dominating (great but not outright domination), but yet as an alliance they did outstanding.
2007's 8th seed comes to mind. :D

Chris is me 21-12-2009 19:13

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 889732)
I'd have to say team 25 in 2006.

I think he meant a single robot. 71 in 2002 didn't need alliance partners, it would win matches all by itself. 25's 2006 robot was wonderful, though it didn't win matches 1v3.

Akash Rastogi 21-12-2009 19:40

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 889747)
I think he meant a single robot. 71 in 2002 didn't need alliance partners, it would win matches all by itself. 25's 2006 robot was wonderful, though it didn't win matches 1v3.

Gotta agree. If there is a game in which Beatty doesn't have to be reliant on alliance partners, I honestly believe they would come out with another dominant machine.

BT987 21-12-2009 23:26

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 889734)
I'm not quite sure if it was their "worst year" vs. the different playing field surface and game design that leveled the playing field to some degree.

What's not being said is that many successful teams did it with a great 2nd or 3rd partner. Other than 71 during a few years, I cant recall a team doing it all themselves. And yes, it helps that these teams are able to put themselves in that situation by being great to begin with.

I'd like to see a thread on alliances of the decade where no single team was dominating (great but not outright domination), but yet as an alliance they did outstanding.
2007's 8th seed comes to mind. :D




2007's 8th seed was ok i guess;)
But 254, 16 regional wins i mean come on, they have the most banners in first. And they always have a great robot.
oh and if were talking overall impact, 359

2000 SVR Regional Finalist
2000 SVR Team Spirit Award
2001 SVR Regional Winner
2002 SVR Regional Winner
2002 SVR Judges Award
2003 SVR Regional Finalist
2003 SVR Chairman's Award
2004-Did not participate.
2005-LV Regional Finalist
2006-J&J Sportsmanship Award
2007-NJ Regional Finalist
2007-Website Excellence Award.
2008-VCU Motorola Quality Award
2008-VCU Best Website Award
2008-VCU KPC&B Entrepreneurship Award
2008 Hawaii KPC&B Entrepreneurship Award
2008 Hawaii Regional Finalist
2008 Hawaii Chairman's Award
2008 CMP Engineering Inspiration Award
2009-Oregon KPC&B Entrepreneurship Award
2009-SVR KPC&B Entrepreneurship Award
2009-Hawaii Website Award
2009-Hawaii Motorola Quality Award
2009-Hawaii UL Safety Award
2009-Hawaii Chairman's Award

NickE 22-12-2009 00:23

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by BT987 (Post 889803)
But 254, 16 regional wins i mean come on, they have the most banners in first. And they always have a great robot.

Thanks for the compliments on our robots and team. To be fair, most banners in FIRST is a tie between 71 and 254.

Cory 22-12-2009 02:08

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by NickE (Post 889808)
Thanks for the compliments on our robots and team. To be fair, most banners in FIRST is a tie between 71 and 254.

And 71 holds the tiebreaker 4-0.

waialua359 22-12-2009 02:30

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 889747)
I think he meant a single robot. 71 in 2002 didn't need alliance partners, it would win matches all by itself. 25's 2006 robot was wonderful, though it didn't win matches 1v3.

Oh if I could find my old '06 videos. I remember a couple of matches 1v3 where they killed the other alliance. But yes, I understand what you mean.

waialua359 22-12-2009 02:34

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 889813)
And 71 holds the tiebreaker 4-0.

Cory,
You're being just too modest. What team on the West Coast dominates year after year since its inception, change of school and mentors that came from other teams? If I had to pick 1, 2 or 3 teams, 254 would be my pick in every instance.

waialua359 22-12-2009 02:37

Re: Team of the Decade
 
Click on 368 TKM from Hawaii on the FIRST site, and you'll be thoroughly impressed. They've been our inspiration since we both started in 2000.

Adam Freeman 22-12-2009 06:59

Re: Team of the Decade
 
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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 889813)
And 71 holds the tiebreaker 4-0.

You do have the most FIRST banner this decade:

254 - (21) Banners
67 - (20)
71 - (18)
217 - (17)
1114 - (16)
111 - (16)

Every year your robots are an inspiration to me.


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