Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 896530)

Now I'm a bit confused; this post shows that the new seeding algorithm keeps the ranking order more or less the same (using last years data). The post you linked shows a completely different result.

Which is actually correct?

Originally Posted by SteveGPage (Post 896774)

You are looking at two different sets of scores, but regardless, I think you still can see the same thing in each. Here are two cases:

Curie 2009
-- Team 668 was in 44th place. According to the new seeding, they are now in 3rd.

Newton 2009
-- Team 1629 was in 8th place. According to the new seeding, they are now in 22nd.

Those are huge changes, as how they impact the teams. If you had team that totally dominated before, 75-0, for example, that team doesn't do any better than the teams they just beat, and perhaps if there had been a penalty - they would actually do worse than the teams they just beat.

Originally Posted by Bomberofdoom (Post 896790)

I could be missing something, since I don't have much time to read the manuals (college and all), but don't ranking points COME BEFORE the coopertition points?

In games where you have a difference of 7 points, no problem over here, go get like 4 more goals to even it up, or even more if it seems possible that the opponents will not be able to turn the tide somehow from this move. You'd do that do add coopertition points to make sure you will be ranked first in you rank level (if someone else is 2nd place with you, your coopertition points will beat his, therefore you'll be above him in ranking). But if you are about 1-2 in point difference, I'd say forget about it. MAKE SURE YOU WIN, because 2 ranking/seeding points are much more important that 2 coopertition points, as it always was!

As I see it, the coopertition is just a tie-breaker for similar ranks.

Please do correct me, for I am confused of the comments in this topic. :confused:

Originally Posted by Bomberofdoom (Post 896790)

I could be missing something, since I don't have much time to read the manuals (college and all), but don't ranking points COME BEFORE the coopertition points?

In games where you have a difference of 7 points, no problem over here, go get like 4 more goals to even it up, or even more if it seems possible that the opponents will not be able to turn the tide somehow from this move. You'd do that do add coopertition points to make sure you will be ranked first in you rank level (if someone else is 2nd place with you, your coopertition points will beat his, therefore you'll be above him in ranking). But if you are about 1-2 in point difference, I'd say forget about it. MAKE SURE YOU WIN, because 2 ranking/seeding points are much more important that 2 coopertition points, as it always was!

As I see it, the coopertition is just a tie-breaker for similar ranks.

Please do correct me, for I am confused of the comments in this topic. :confused:

Originally Posted by Passion (Post 896848)

I find this way of ranking very funny. For the first time in my life, I might be actually trying to win, but in fact I might be actually losing even more....

Originally Posted by DanDon (Post 896850)

The one benefit I can see to the new ranking rules is that I get rewarded more for beating a stronger alliance than a weaker alliance, and I get hurt less by losing to a stronger alliance than a weaker alliance.

This is all assuming a fair-played match with no collusion.

Originally Posted by SteveGPage (Post 896774)

You are looking at two different sets of scores, but regardless, I think you still can see the same thing in each. Here are two cases:

Curie 2009
-- Team 668 was in 44th place. According to the new seeding, they are now in 3rd.

Newton 2009
-- Team 1629 was in 8th place. According to the new seeding, they are now in 22nd.

Those are huge changes, as how they impact the teams. If you had team that totally dominated before, 75-0, for example, that team doesn't do any better than the teams they just beat, and perhaps if there had been a penalty - they would actually do worse than the teams they just beat.