Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Paul,
I agree with your analysis of the definitions but I am wondering if you really need to be above the platform to be a SUSPENDED robot. When I look at the definition of SUSPENDED it does not refer to a height off the field surface. It just says that you are ONLY touching a ELEVATED robot. Maybe there is a opportunity there if the SUSPENDED robot doesn't need to break the plan of the top of the platform.

Some things I have been thinking about:
- If you are a previously SUSPENDED robot but then touch the tower by accident I don't think you would still be SUSPENDED based on the definition.
- If in the process grabbing onto a ELEVATED robot you move them so that they are not above the plane of the PLATFORM, they would no longer be ELEVATED and you are no longer SUSPENDED from a ELEVATED robot.

What are peoples thoughts on this? My first thought is you may want to be careful as a potential SUSPENDED robot because you could negate the ELEVATED robot if the above proves out to be true.

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

I agree, the endgame rules are very clear this year as long as you don't over think them or try to infer meaning. Just go with exactly what the rules say. Nothing more, nothing less.

So I must ask why you think a SUSPENDED robot must be above the platform? The rule for SUSPENDED only deals with contact, not position.

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Mike, Paul and all others:

I am going to go against the grain here...call me a rebel.

The GDC has said in the past not to "lawyer" the rules, but to look for the intent. My opinon remains that the GDC's intent is to have robots using some kind of hook/latch/bent piece of metal mechanism to enable the robot to elevate itself to a point above the "normal" playing surface. (normal playing surface= the flat carpet from which the bumps and towers protrude) Whether that hook is on the horizontal bar at the top of the tower, clamped onto the vertical post of a tower or attached directly to another robot and is above the level of the platform or above the "normal" carpet in the case of attached to another robot.

If the GDC rules in the FIRST Q & A that rolling out a lexan tongue is legal, I will bring cupcakes to Atlanta. :D

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Preface: I know the game animations have errors from time to time

watch when the one red robot hangs from another...it does NOT break the plane of the platform. Combine that with the lack of rules stating a suspended robot needs to be above a certain height. The result is to be suspended you can only touch another robot and that's it.

I agree with Paul, the rules are clear. I do not see the argument to the otherside.

Brando

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

All,

See my edit in my above post. The SUSPENDED robot does not have to be above the platform. I knew this, but my typing got ahead of my brain. Sorry for the confusion.

Paul

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Alright, I've been holding back long enough, but I have one.

Your robot gets on top of and sits on the platform. It is now ELEVATED.

Your robot throws down a large piece of carpet/fabric that is still attached to your robot and remains inside the 84" cylinder onto the ground from the top of the platform where it is ELEVATED

Brandon's bot drives over on top of my carpet/fabric. It is now SUSPENDED.

5 points?

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Your carpet is now below the plane of the platform so you are no longer ELEVATED.

0 points.

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Right.

*crawls back into programming cave*

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

If our robot seizes a willing alliance robot tightly and THEN elevates by whatever method it can, it is my supposition that our alliance will get 5 points for the effort. This avoids the necessity for collaboration on attachment strategy with random other teams (as will happen in Q-round). In designing our seizing mechanism we need only consider the commonality of other robots' designs. Something like the little bars to wheel hoists on the modern-day tow trucks. Those guys don't ever know what kind of bumper or fenders or frame is going to be on a car they're called to tow, but they do know that it has wheels on the ground that are no larger than x inches and not likely to be further apart than y inches. Hence the forking interface to their ultimate hydraulic lift. Anything else besides wheels on this year's robots that is so predictable?

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Paul is wise. Listen to Paul (this from the guy that Paul yells at every year at IRI for the stupid rules :) ).

I, for one, am looking forward to cupcakes in Atlanta. :)

-dave



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Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

From what I have learned is that you are considered elevated when you are only touching the bar thats supposed to be grabbed on. You are considered suspended if you are not touching the tower and are hanging off of another robot you are considered suspended. So in theory having a stack is not applicable. Sorry if this hurts your plan but this is what I have heard. If I'm wrong then tell me so that I know about this. Also my friend is bugging the crap out of me about my grammar. Thanks for reading and tell my friend to stop bugging me. BYE!
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Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Well, that sounds about right to me. Even if you were to stack on other robots, I think it would be incredibly difficult to accomplish.

And, no, Brian, I will not stop bugging you about your grammar. Make it better, and I'll consider it! XP

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

When you're done checking your grammar, and done posting nonsense symbols, you might want to go back into section 7.2 of the manual and check the definitions of ELEVATED and SUSPENDED.

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

Ok if you don't agree with me. Explain how you would stack 3 robots on top of each other?

Re: ELEVATED but not hanging?
 

They might correct this in a rule update, but the GDC has a habit of leaving some rules open to ambiguity to let teams be creative.