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jgannon 15-01-2010 00:13

Breakaway in xkcd
 
Looks like Randall Munroe is a FIRST fan:

http://www.xkcd.com/689/

Francis-134 15-01-2010 00:15

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Darn, look's like he must have been listening in on Team 190's design meetings. Back to the drawing board. :(

(btw Randall, you will be hearing from our lawyers).

MrForbes 15-01-2010 00:17

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
WATER GAME!

Danny McC 15-01-2010 00:17

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
I love how there is like 4 or 5 posts with this same thing it. Made me laugh. GG.

Katie_UPS 15-01-2010 00:19

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
SO MUCH HAPPINESS.

daltore 15-01-2010 00:25

FIRST Design XKCD
 


I love this, but unfortunately, there are a few rule infractions here:

1) No part may detach from the robot.
2) That is WAY above the height limitation, even during the FINALE.
3) There are no bumpers on the robot.

So if you were thinking about using this design, make sure the tower stays connected to the robot and within the frame perimeter which is surrounded by bumpers, and only extends to 60". Maybe a really intense light focused onto the sensor would work.

Boydean 15-01-2010 00:26

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Wow, that is awesome.

slavik262 15-01-2010 00:26

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
I love how within 20 minutes of the comic going up there were three threads about it on CD already. I love you all.

Ian Curtis 15-01-2010 00:28

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
If only the alt text had been something to the effect of "Should've thought of this to keep the static down last year!" I would literally be rolling on the floor.

Two thumbs up for this comic!

Greg Marra 15-01-2010 00:29

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
I love it!

Does this mean Randall is mentoring a team in the Cambridge, MA area?

Mr_I 15-01-2010 00:29

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Improved design: drop the telescoping pole with lighter, use an IR laser instead!

ubermeister 15-01-2010 00:33

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Can we get an official count on how many rules are broken?

menace101 15-01-2010 00:33

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
OH EM GEE! I was so excited when I saw the "FIRST Design" in my bookmark, I didn't believe it would actually be FIRST. I had the thought..=]

ANYWAY!

Looks like our next team update will need to include a new definition of "field elements"... =]

David Brinza 15-01-2010 00:43

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ubermeister (Post 899531)
Can we get an official count on how many rules are broken?

It's in the referee's certification exam?

daltore 15-01-2010 00:52

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Okay, so I'd like to settle this once and for all. I didn't see anything in this year's rule book about lasers being illegal, but as far as I remember, it's been in the ones from every other year. Does that mean that lasers are legal this year, or am I remembering the past incorrectly? Obviously, lasers would have to pass safety inspection, so if there was a bad use for one, or it was pointed at eye-level for anybody, it would be banned, but I can think of several great uses.

Nuttyman54 15-01-2010 00:59

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ubermeister (Post 899531)
Can we get an official count on how many rules are broken?

I'll start the count:

1. No bumpers

2. Detaching mechanism

2a. The robot probably has two power sources (and possibly two controllers) since both the robot and the detached mechanism are actively moving at the same time. Theoretically this could be done by a complicated spring/catch system using only stored energy, hence the sub-point.

3. Definitely extends above 60" and probably 90", and it's not touching a tower

4. Open flame plus interacting with elements outside the arena = definite safety violation

5. Umbrella is definitely extending outside the frame perimeter

6. Sprinklers would cause field destruction

7. The last frame clearly shows the robot in possession of two balls

that's all I can think of for now...probably are more thoug

Zyik 15-01-2010 00:59

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
<3

EricH 15-01-2010 01:01

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I'll keep the penalty log on that one, Nuttyman. (Though 7 is not the case; it's using one to herd another.) I'll also add some more.

1--<S04>, penalty, possible Yellow Card
2--<G41>, penalty, possible Red Card, and with it causing a rainstorm inside, that possible is a definite.
3--<S04> or <G30>; either way, penalty and possible Yellow Card
4--<S01>, penalty, disablement
5--<G30>, penalty, Yellow Card
6--<G26>, potential disablement
8--strategy aimed at robot destruction/disablement--<G36>, Yellow Card

Penalty:5
Yellow Card:2-4 (intentionality says 4)
Red Card:1-3, depending on how many yellow cards are pulled.

That robot would be tied up in inspection for the rest of the event, under instructions from the Head Ref.

artdutra04 15-01-2010 01:03

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ubermeister (Post 899531)
Can we get an official count on how many rules are broken?

Please post all official game related questions in the correct Q&A forum with your team's TIMS account.

:yikes:

lingomaniac88 15-01-2010 01:06

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
I demand a team update that allows this specific design to be legal! :p

JackG 15-01-2010 01:07

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Putting FIRST in XKCD is like putting peanut butter in chocolate: it's one kind of awesomeness mixed into another variety of awesomeness. This is truly worth geeking out about.

Yes, I am all giddy about this. :ahh: :D

Oh, and this strip seemed to bring out all the FIRSTers on the XKCD forums.

EricH 15-01-2010 01:16

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daltore (Post 899547)
Okay, so I'd like to settle this once and for all. I didn't see anything in this year's rule book about lasers being illegal, but as far as I remember, it's been in the ones from every other year. Does that mean that lasers are legal this year, or am I remembering the past incorrectly? Obviously, lasers would have to pass safety inspection, so if there was a bad use for one, or it was pointed at eye-level for anybody, it would be banned, but I can think of several great uses.

There are two classes of lasers this year: legal and illegal. Legal is easier to define, so here's the definition: COTS completely enclosed integral lasers are legal.

Illegal: any exposed laser (which would pretty much be the rest of them).

<R02-D> is the rule in question.

Burmeister #279 15-01-2010 01:28

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
i was excited to see that i WASN'T the first person to get this and want to post this because that means that i'm not the only one reading xkcd =D. I thought this was awesome and funny at the same time, and i'm glad Randall knows of us =)

Scott Carpman 15-01-2010 01:37

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
This comic is pure win. Million times win.

Travis Hoffman 15-01-2010 01:54

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Breakaway: Plowbot's Revenge

dlavery 15-01-2010 02:22

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 899575)
Breakaway: Plowbot's Revenge

Please. His name is (and always has been) "Dozer" :)


-dave





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Akash Rastogi 15-01-2010 02:23

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 899581)
Please. His name is (and always has been) "Dozer" :)


-dave





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Still can't beat Wall-E though.

daltore 15-01-2010 02:38

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 899581)
Please. His name is (and always has been) "Dozer" :)


-dave





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Tee hee. Dave Lavery commented on my thread :D

David Brinza 15-01-2010 02:46

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 899555)
I'll keep the penalty log on that one, Nuttyman. (Though 7 is not the case; it's using one to herd another.) I'll also add some more.

1--<S04>, penalty, possible Yellow Card
2--<G41>, penalty, possible Red Card, and with it causing a rainstorm inside, that possible is a definite.
3--<S04> or <G30>; either way, penalty and possible Yellow Card
4--<S01>, penalty, disablement
5--<G30>, penalty, Yellow Card
6--<G26>, potential disablement
8--strategy aimed at robot destruction/disablement--<G36>, Yellow Card

Penalty:5
Yellow Card:2-4 (intentionality says 4)
Red Card:1-3, depending on how many yellow cards are pulled.

That robot would be tied up in inspection for the rest of the event, under instructions from the Head Ref.

Eric would be a superb referee. However, he never would see this robot on the field.

Here are some obvious non-compliances with robot rules:
<R02> F. Matches are not legal.
<R07> Robot must have bumpers!
<R11> Articulated robot frame is not legal.
<R14> School name?
<R15> Team number?
<R16> Definitely looks like a "mushroom-bot"
No inspector would let that robot near the field, even for practice.

Still, it's a wonderful cartoon.:D

Conor Ryan 15-01-2010 02:50

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Awesome application of Dean's Homework.

EricH 15-01-2010 02:58

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
I think we're assuming that the inspectors were ALL folks off the street with no training whatsoever for this one, given that in the cartoon it did in fact make it to the field.

Also note that <S04> disallows anything violating robot rules.:D With that list, Dave, that's 6x<S04>, better known as 6 penalties and 6 potential yellow cards assuming that it even made it to the field with the aforementioned highly underqualified inspection crew. Add that to the above and no ref crew would even think about letting it back on the field after the first match.

(Aside from every other team in the event being mad at the team...)

Oh, and add another possible penalty to the list:<G31> is at extreme risk of being violated. Penalty at minimum, red card if intentional or damaging.

Note that almost every penalty carries a card with it. And that every listed penalty would happen every match (both senses of the word). Odds of it lasting longer than half of a practice match, or going a full match without getting disabled: 1/(10^-infinity). Odds of the inspection crew getting in trouble, should it enter the field: infinity/1.

GaryVoshol 15-01-2010 06:55

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 899581)
Please. His name is (and always has been) "Dozer" :)


-dave





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Yes, but his friends started calling him Plow-E last year.

Taylor 15-01-2010 07:31

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Did anybody else hear angels' voices singing at this holy union?

dk5sm5luigi 15-01-2010 07:50

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
That broken robot in the end looks a lot like Team 1735's typical robot with the lattice on all sides. I wonder if that is a coincidence since the xkcd creators are from Mass.

goodsky 15-01-2010 08:24

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 899604)
Did anybody else hear angels' voices singing at this holy union?

I did! It's amazing! FIRST and xkcd?? Two of my favorite things just joined forces today to make a whole new species of awesome.

JaneYoung 15-01-2010 08:30

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
I like the umbrella sound, FWOOMP. Dozer looks good with an umbrella.

JaneYoung 15-01-2010 08:34

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 899604)
Did anybody else hear angels' voices singing at this holy union?

I heard "soccer in the rain" to the tune of Singing In The Rain - and the only other line I came up with (before coffee) was - this game is insane.

Nate Smith 15-01-2010 09:08

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A little something I threw together for those of you who want this to be your new wallpaper...the 1280x800 is for those of you with widescreen monitors.

Nadav Zingerman 15-01-2010 09:12

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
+2 Internets

IKE 15-01-2010 09:36

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Like all brainstorming, there is no such thing as a bad idea, and illegal ideas just need to be bent a little to fit within the rules..

Here goes:

You know, if you were to make this into 1 unit with proper height bumpers, climb the ball return tower, then extend to maximum Finale configuration with 2 Fisher-Price Magic smoke generators (motors with their drive shafts grounded).....Hmmmm

JoeXIII'007 15-01-2010 09:42

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
This has been a pretty good morning ladies and gents... and thank God it is early in the semester, otherwise I think my celebration of this would have been shorter*.
Quote:

Did anybody else hear angels' voices singing at this holy union?
I think I experienced a spiritual high...

*yeah right.

Chris is me 15-01-2010 10:20

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
So I was all set to have a terrible day today. Thanks xkcd!

Anyone want to bring Randall out to a regional?

Greg Needel 15-01-2010 10:59

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Threads merged.

Pavan Dave 15-01-2010 11:20

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
RTFM RANDALL!!!!


lol

tckma 15-01-2010 12:59

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 899685)
Anyone want to bring Randall out to a regional?

The Boston Regional would be closest, as he's in Cambridge, MA. As has been said earlier, he may be with a team. Clearly he's aware of this year's game, but needs to read the rules. :D

Racer26 15-01-2010 14:36

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tckma (Post 899773)
The Boston Regional would be closest, as he's in Cambridge, MA. As has been said earlier, he may be with a team. Clearly he's aware of this year's game, but needs to read the rules. :D

I would hazard a guess its highly likely he's involved with a team, and I expect he DID read the rules and is deliberately flouting them for comedic effect.

MrForbes 15-01-2010 14:40

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 899832)
I expect he DID read the rules and is deliberately flouting them for comedic effect.

Is that allowed?



;)

Karibou 15-01-2010 15:53

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 899836)
Is that allowed?



;)

Well, are comedy and sarcasm COTS items?

dlavery 15-01-2010 16:15

Re: Breakaway in xkcd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 899881)
Well, are comedy and sarcasm COTS items?

Actually, I am pretty sure they are supplied in the KOP (at least they are in the rookie kits - veterans have to supply their own sarcasm).

-dave



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EricH 15-01-2010 16:18

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Pretty sure some of the CD folks would be more than happy to loan/donate/sell you some sarcasm and/or comedy and/or bad puns. Just make sure to account for them on the BOM.

Peter Matteson 15-01-2010 16:51

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy (Post 899832)
I would hazard a guess its highly likely he's involved with a team, and I expect he DID read the rules and is deliberately flouting them for comedic effect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 899836)
Is that allowed?

I hope so. I've made an 8 FRC mentoring career out of flaunting the rules for comedic effect and I have no intention of stoping...

andrew348 15-01-2010 19:19

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
One Comment: AMAZING

MrWibbles 16-01-2010 14:44

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
I was really really happy to see this comic :D

It isn't the first time that xkcd has been involved with FRC -- our team (2877 Ligerbots) has the first-ever XKCD sponsorship. (Apparently a few of his friends went to our high school. It's most likely a one-time feat.)

Randall was a mentor, or something similar, when he was in college, on his little brother's team. He has some great stories about it.

(now that I think about it, there's probably still a whiteboard with "xkcd.com -- DNE" somewhere in our team's room)

Samheartsrobots 18-01-2010 21:38

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
Wow. I love XKCD and this is just awesome. I say epic win and is there anyway we can put this on our t-shirts or buttons? xD

ThomasSchneider 18-09-2010 14:11

Re: FIRST Design XKCD
 
This has got to be one of the best xkcd comics I have seen. The thing that makes it so much more awesome is that my team, #1719, is called "The Umbrella Corporation"... :yikes:


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