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MHSrobotics2853 16-01-2010 20:28

cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Our team has setup the power supply to the compactRIO, but the LED indicator does not light up. The cRIO we are using was working properly earlier with the same setup, but not now! We have tested the wiring with a mulitmeter, and got a reading of 24 volts. Is the cRIO broken or is there some way to fix it? :ahh:


Thank You,
Mililani High School, Team 2853
Mililani, HI

seannoseworthy 16-01-2010 20:35

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Make sure that the polarity of your wiring is correct, you can find the wiring diagram here

RyanN 16-01-2010 20:36

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MHSrobotics2853 (Post 900684)
Our team has setup the power supply to the compactRIO, but the LED indicator does not light up. The cRIO we are using was working properly earlier with the same setup, but not now! We have tested the wiring with a mulitmeter, and got a reading of 24 volts. Is the cRIO broken or is there some way to fix it? :ahh:


Thank You,
Mililani High School, Team 2853
Mililani, HI

First off, check the wiring while it's live. See if you have 24V on the cRIO end of the power cable. Check for metal shavings in places they shouldn't be. Unplug everything from the cRIO including all the cards, ethernet, etc... Double check the wiring as someone may have changed it while you were away. That's all I can think of. If you have another cRIO to try, do that.

Mark McLeod 16-01-2010 20:48

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
How fresh is your battery?
Try it with a battery you know is charged.

You are measuring the voltage at the cRIO end of the wires?

MHSrobotics2853 16-01-2010 20:57

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 900698)
How fresh is your battery?
Try it with a battery you know is charged.

You are measuring the voltage at the cRIO end of the wires?

Yes, the 24 V was measured at the cRIO end.

etphonehome 16-01-2010 21:41

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
is your cRIO electrically isolated from the chassis? if no, is/has anything elsewhere in your electrical system shorted through the chassis? if yes, you probably blew your cRIO. if this happened, you've got 2 options: send it back to National Instruments, or void your warranty, take off the back, and check and see if the fuse (located between the serial port and slot 1 of the modular breakouts if i remember correctly) is blown. If the fuse blew, you can solder another on top and it may be good as new. im not gonna endorse the voiding the warranty option, but it is an option if you think you fried it and dont want to wait for national instruments to fix the cRIO for you.

if you're pretty sure you didn't blow your cRIO, i don't know what could be going on.

EricVanWyk 16-01-2010 21:52

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by etphonehome (Post 900737)
is your cRIO electrically isolated from the chassis? if no, is/has anything elsewhere in your electrical system shorted through the chassis? if yes, you probably blew your cRIO. if this happened, you've got 2 options: send it back to National Instruments, or void your warranty, take off the back, and check and see if the fuse (located between the serial port and slot 1 of the modular breakouts if i remember correctly) is blown. If the fuse blew, you can solder another on top and it may be good as new. im not gonna endorse the voiding the warranty option, but it is an option if you think you fried it and dont want to wait for national instruments to fix the cRIO for you.

if you're pretty sure you didn't blow your cRIO, i don't know what could be going on.

For the love of warranties, please don't do this.

etphonehome 16-01-2010 22:07

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
yeah, thats the i wouldnt really recommend this part. but one of our mentors knew how and did it perfectly. it was a few days before ship... we needed it working again.

MHSrobotics2853 17-01-2010 02:45

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by etphonehome (Post 900737)
is your cRIO electrically isolated from the chassis? if no, is/has anything elsewhere in your electrical system shorted through the chassis? if yes, you probably blew your cRIO. if this happened, you've got 2 options: send it back to National Instruments, or void your warranty, take off the back, and check and see if the fuse (located between the serial port and slot 1 of the modular breakouts if i remember correctly) is blown. If the fuse blew, you can solder another on top and it may be good as new. im not gonna endorse the voiding the warranty option, but it is an option if you think you fried it and dont want to wait for national instruments to fix the cRIO for you.

if you're pretty sure you didn't blow your cRIO, i don't know what could be going on.

thank you for replying...

Do you know who long the warranty for the cRIO is? Our team bought the cRIO last year for the 2009 competition.

Greg McKaskle 17-01-2010 08:35

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
One other thing you may be able to try is to use a wall adapter for the cRIO. They didn't ship in the kit, but if you received one with your other purchase, or can find one through a mentor or a loaner from a sales branch.

If the cRIO works with the wall adapter, it is an issue with the PD, battery, or something on that end. If it doesn't work with the adapter, time to call NI support, get a replacement, etc.

Greg McKaskle

etphonehome 17-01-2010 12:28

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
that's worth a shot, but I've seen this situation 3 times so far, and if the power light doesn't go on with 24 v from the distribution board in each instance there was an electrical problem with the cRIO itself. i want to say the cRIO warranty is for a few years, but i couldn't find the FIRST warranty online. the "extended" warranty of the consumer version can be purchased for 2-5 years i think, so you may still be under warranty. i think a copy of the warranty came with the cRIO kit last year.

i wouldn't open the cRIO up unless you're sure you don't have warranty coverage anymore, whether it expired or someone voided it.

MHSrobotics2853 23-01-2010 01:54

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Thank You for all your replies. We tested our cRIO on other team's electrical system and something is definitly bust internally. Luckily, National Instruments is giving us a new one if we give them our busted one so that they can try to fix it.

Team 2853::safety::

rjmah 17-02-2010 16:17

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Thanks for this post. It saved our butts. So close to ship date our CRIO was dead and probably hard to find a loaner at this stage. We found an aluminum shaving that had fallen in the serial port. FYI the 2A surface mount fuse part is:

Newark.com Part # 12J2838 mfgr. LITTELFUSE

Jon Jack 17-02-2010 16:29

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
You may also want to check to make sure the power connector to the cRIO is connected properly. I've seen several instances where a cRIO does not turn on, it's because of a lose wire.

rjmah 18-02-2010 08:58

Re: cRIO not turning on!!!
 
Thanks for that last word. Yes, definitely check the 24 VDC supply first then even after opening the case check for continuity on F2. Ours was open and the aluminum pigtail shaving obviously resting between the fuse and the serial port shell inside.


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