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idahorobot 25-01-2010 23:26

Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
I have read through many threads, and have tried to chase down extra solenoids for many hours, too many!

Has anyone successfully ordered extra pneumatic solenoids? I would greatly appreciate a part number and the source.

I would prefer 12 volt.


Thank You

Ed Law 26-01-2010 00:47

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
I am struggling with the same issue. I have given up on Festo since I read somewhere that they are out of stock of the one they provide to FRC teams only. I have narrowed down to SMC SY3000 series and will probably get it from Motion Industries or Fastenal. I spent hours looking on SMC's website and learned more about solenoid valves than I care to know at this point. I am still not sure which one I should get. There are many, many choices. I will call SMC tomorrow and see if someone can help me. If not, hopefully somebody at Motion Industries can help me choose.

If there are any teams out there who used SMC's solenoid valve before or know where to get them from, please post part number and vendor name here.

jsasaki 26-01-2010 01:16

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Law (Post 906990)
I am struggling with the same issue. I have given up on Festo since I read somewhere that they are out of stock of the one they provide to FRC teams only. I have narrowed down to SMC SY3000 series and will probably get it from Motion Industries or Fastenal. I spent hours looking on SMC's website and learned more about solenoid valves than I care to know at this point. I am still not sure which one I should get. There are many, many choices. I will call SMC tomorrow and see if someone can help me. If not, hopefully somebody at Motion Industries can help me choose.

If there are any teams out there who used SMC's solenoid valve before or know where to get them from, please post part number and vendor name here.

On this site they give you the model part number if that helps.

sircedric4 26-01-2010 14:26

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
We're running into the same issue. I actually found a nearly endless supply of solenoid valves that met all of the requirements except that their operating pressure is 0-100 psi and not the 125 psi FIRST requires. I cannot find a 3 way valve that does all the stuff needed that works at 12 volts.

I am looking for the valves FIRST used to hand out but can't find a distributor with any in stock. If anyone has any leads on where a person can get 10 valves that meets FIRST requirements please give us a clue.

Thanks

Ed Law 26-01-2010 14:34

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
This is what I found out today after spending more hours figuring out what to order. I just placed an order.

Do not try to order the whole assembly, e.g. SY3149-6XX-01T. It will tell you SMC has nothing in stock and they have to ship from Japan which takes 2-3 weeks.

Thanks to Jsasaki who pointed out the link to the SMC site for FIRST teams. It gave me the idea that you have to order the two parts separately. I want SY3140-6XX and only SY3140-6L or SY3140-6LZ are in stock in the US. The other one SY3000-27-1T is available. I don't know if SY3000-27-1T comes with the gasket (goes between the two items) or not. I asked them to check the gasket part number SY3000-11-8 but they can not find it in the catalog. None of the distributor I talked to stock these items. They just place the order to SMC for you.

This is a single solenoid valve 12V system with 1/8" NPT thread with Cv=0.3 which is legal to use for FIRST this year. You can order them from Motion Industries or Fastenal. The price is about the same. I hope this helps.

If you have any questions, I can try to help. Good luck.

fordchrist675 26-01-2010 14:38

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Weve actually ordered extra solenoids, but are caught waiting til the parts get back in stock and wont get them til the 2nd. Pretty sure we have ordered from Festo but not 100% sure.

In < R 72> C. it says that you can use anything whether KOP or not it cant go over the Cv or .32. and if not KOP you must have proof.

idahorobot 27-01-2010 14:19

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Law (Post 907269)
This is what I found out today after spending more hours figuring out what to order. I just placed an order.

Do not try to order the whole assembly, e.g. SY3149-6XX-01T. It will tell you SMC has nothing in stock and they have to ship from Japan which takes 2-3 weeks.

Thanks to Jsasaki who pointed out the link to the SMC site for FIRST teams. It gave me the idea that you have to order the two parts separately. I want SY3140-6XX and only SY3140-6L or SY3140-6LZ are in stock in the US. The other one SY3000-27-1T is available. I don't know if SY3000-27-1T comes with the gasket (goes between the two items) or not. I asked them to check the gasket part number SY3000-11-8 but they can not find it in the catalog. None of the distributor I talked to stock these items. They just place the order to SMC for you.

This is a single solenoid valve 12V system with 1/8" NPT thread with Cv=0.3 which is legal to use for FIRST this year. You can order them from Motion Industries or Fastenal. The price is about the same. I hope this helps.

If you have any questions, I can try to help. Good luck.


I needed a 2 position double. The double has a cv of .30. I preferred a 12 volt that is what the 6 means in the 6LOUS. 5 is 24 volt. I finally found them at a SMC dealer in my area.
Motion Industries 509-924-4800

sy3240-6LOU-s solenoid
sy100-30-4A-10 plug wire assembly
sy300-27-1T subplate

MrForbes 27-01-2010 14:30

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
I just talked to someone at Festo customer service 800-99F-ESTO, who said I could order some of the KOP part number 13075370 for $63 each, but they would not be available until Feb 8th.

Jones571 27-01-2010 14:51

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
We went with the 09 festo's 13026684 as we don't need dual action an they are less then half the price in stock :)

MrForbes 27-01-2010 14:52

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Are they available from Festo or a distributor (if so which distributor)? thanks for the tip.

(edit: google is a blast, they list about 15 links for the terms 13026684 festo, and one of them is on my own web page!)

Gary Dillard 28-01-2010 08:01

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
I had ordered 3 of the Festo valves (this year's KOP model) early last week @ $81 each and was told they would ship direct from Rochester. Yesterday I called to get a tracking number since I hadn't seen them yet, and was told they would not ship until Feb 2nd. Would have been nice to know that last week. I cancelled the order and called the SMC distributor. (Hopefully) I have 4 SY3220-5LN-N7 valves @ $60.89 each in the mail today from Indiana.

These have an operating pressure of 0.7 MPa (100 psi), but I don't see the rated pressure; I'm going to try to chase that down. It's the same series that we have received in the FIRST kit before which had all of the same pressure limitations so someone at FIRST must have deemed it safe. Unfortunately I doubt that argument will get me very far.

Ether 28-01-2010 10:05

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 908394)
I had ordered 3 of the Festo valves (this year's KOP model) early last week @ $81 each and was told they would ship direct from Rochester. Yesterday I called to get a tracking number since I hadn't seen them yet, and was told they would not ship until Feb 2nd. Would have been nice to know that last week. I cancelled the order and called the SMC distributor. (Hopefully) I have 4 SY3220-5LN-N7 valves @ $60.89 each in the mail today from Indiana.

These have an operating pressure of 0.7 MPa (100 psi), but I don't see the rated pressure; I'm going to try to chase that down. It's the same series that we have received in the FIRST kit before which had all of the same pressure limitations so someone at FIRST must have deemed it safe. Unfortunately I doubt that argument will get me very far.

Not to worry. You can use them. Check out the latest Team Update at USFIRST. If they are not rated at least 125psi, you install a pressure relief at the rated pressure valve in the same circuit.



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Gary Dillard 28-01-2010 10:16

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Yeah I know, my argument was sort of related to the fact that we never needed a separate pressure relief valve in order to use these exact valves before so why should we now?

Also, I sent a question to SMC to ask what their "pressure rating" is; the catalog only says "operational pressure", which could be a different number (they may not operate but they won't blow up either).

Ether 28-01-2010 10:24

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 908453)
Yeah I know, my argument was sort of related to the fact that we never needed a separate pressure relief valve in order to use these exact valves before so why should we now?

Tort law. Sad but true.



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Gary Dillard 28-01-2010 12:11

Re: Have you ordered extra solenoids?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 908394)
I cancelled the order and called the SMC distributor. (Hopefully) I have 4 SY3220-5LN-N7 valves @ $60.89 each in the mail today from Indiana.

I got this email from the distributor this morning:

"Gary
I was just informed that SMC is closed for inventory and your order will not ship until Monday, 2/1/10"

Where is the crying emoticon?


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