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gorrilla 07-02-2010 22:40

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 915453)
I can't wait to see how that is called. A bot strafing the bump to block another bot from coming over, then the second bot pushes the defending bot out of the way and it tumbles over. Will there be a penalty?

I wonder that too, but I would assume that the ref's would call in favor of the bot trying to ascend the bump due to this rule. unless of course, it was blatantly intentional.

"c. Contact outside the BUMPER ZONE is an expected part of the game during the following scenarios:
i. for ROBOTS on a RAMP or BUMP,"


Quote:

Originally Posted by GBilletdeaux930 (Post 915455)
Hey man, unless your going over the bump at full speed, it will be a lot more difficult for you to push up when we push down.

And if you go over at full speed, we'll just get out of your way for obvious reasons.

I think my 10 traction wheels will be able to outmatch your mecanums at any speed or angle ;)

GBilletdeaux930 07-02-2010 22:45

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 915462)
I think my 10 traction wheels will be able to outmatch your mecanums at any speed or angle ;)

Agreeable. Lol. But you still can't say it has no benefit nor is it not an advantage. We gave up nothing for this ability. It was not part of our original plan. It was an added bonus. We are not limited in where we must descend from the bump.

If someone is in our way, or if two bots are trying to go up the same spot, we just go around them instead of backing down or wasting time trying to push our way through.

JamesCH95 08-02-2010 14:15

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
I see a robot trying to block a bump like that getting flipped very easily. The other bot simply drives up the bump and has a nice pushing angle up on the robot that's strafing the bump. Hopefully you don't get turtled!

robodude03 08-02-2010 14:49

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GBilletdeaux930 (Post 915465)
Agreeable. Lol. But you still can't say it has no benefit nor is it not an advantage. We gave up nothing for this ability. It was not part of our original plan. It was an added bonus. We are not limited in where we must descend from the bump.

If someone is in our way, or if two bots are trying to go up the same spot, we just go around them instead of backing down or wasting time trying to push our way through.

That was my thought as well when I saw the video. If a robot is in your way on the other side of the bump this just gives your bot the ability to solve that issue by strafing to the side. Also you could use the bot to block a shot from a robot from one field to the other. As was mentioned in this thread, the added mobility is always a plus with FIRST competitions. Great job :)

Jared SanMiguel 08-02-2010 16:29

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
and a lot of you are missing the point, with the bot on the bump that adds 12" to the height.....so makes shotting into the goal harder? i think so. and we didnt sacrifice time or effort to make sure we could do this it just happend to turn out that way

Daniel_LaFleur 08-02-2010 16:39

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared SanMiguel (Post 915871)
and a lot of you are missing the point, with the bot on the bump that adds 12" to the height.....so makes shotting into the goal harder? i think so. and we didnt sacrifice time or effort to make sure we could do this it just happend to turn out that way

If you are saying that you intend to shoot from the bump ... that would involve CARRYING and thus get you a penalty.

If you are saying that you will defend from the bump (2nd defender?) ... Interesting strategy ... possibly viable, but I'm not convinced of its merits.

Jared SanMiguel 08-02-2010 16:45

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
possibly viable indeed.

Greg Needel 08-02-2010 16:53

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
I think everyone needs to step back for a second and consider what is really happening in this thread.

Obviously team 930 is proud of their robot and design and while it may not be the choices that other teams make that is 100% fine. The point of the competition is to make strategy and design choices which control the way you build your machine. At the end of the day some robots will win and some will loose, but if you follow the engineering design process you can't loose.

I encourage active discussion on to multiple design thoughts but saying that one team's idea is wrong is dumb and a waste of time. If I have learned one thing from my time in FIRST it is that no matter how many robot concepts my team comes up with I will always see something we didn't think of at a competition. If everyone had the same idea it would also be a very boring competition.


This year 2775 decided to go a different direction than 930 and our thinking was that the game is going to be physical in such a manner that you will need pushing power, so when we ranked what was important; Mecanum drives we not an option for us. This year strategy will very important and having unique abilities will definitely bring something to an alliance.

Puffin 08-02-2010 19:35

Re: Team 930's bump strafe
 
Oh wow this blew my mind! This robot can be pretty good at blocking other robots.


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