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Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

Hey everyone. I might be the human player for my team and so far my entire team has assumed that the two human players who are in front of the corral can only pass the soccer balls to the human player with the trident. But then we considered if there is the option of running the balls to the trident. Is this legal? I found that rule <G50> states that "TEAM Positions during TELEOPERATED PERIOD - During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD,
the DRIVERS, COACH and HUMAN PLAYER may travel anywhere within the ALLIANCE STATION, but they must stay within the ALLIANCE STATION boundaries, and not step outside the designated area. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation. Exceptions will be
allowed in cases involving TEAM member safety."

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

Is your question "must we throw the balls or can we carry them to the center human"? IF it is, I'd say that yes, it is perfectly OK to have someone carry the ball to the human with the trident.

This is my opinion, which has absolutely no value at any event or competition...

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

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Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 917542)

Is your question "must we throw the balls or can we carry them to the center human"? IF it is, I'd say that yes, it is perfectly OK to have someone carry the ball to the human with the trident.

Yes this is my question...basically.

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

Not only can HP's bring the ball to the HP with the trident, any team member (even the coach) can handle the ball. But only a HP can use the trident to put the ball into the return. And during auto, only a HP can take the ball out of the corral.

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Originally Posted by 7.2 Definitions

HUMAN PLAYER: A pre-college student team member responsible for properly returning BALLS to the FIELD. There is one HUMAN PLAYER per TEAM. The HUMAN PLAYER is the only TEAM MEMBER that may handle the TRIDENT.

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<G15> BALL Handling – BALLS may be handled by any TEAM member when BALLS are in the CORRAL or ALLIANCE STATION. BALLS may not be handled until they have exited from the BALL COUNTER and are in the CORRAL. Violation: PENALTY.

<G16> BALL Return - HUMAN PLAYERS must place BALLS on the BALL RETURN using the TRIDENT. No other means are permitted for TEAMS to return BALLS to the FIELD. Violation: Two PENALTIES and YELLOW CARD.

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<G49> TEAM Positions during AUTONOMOUS PERIOD – During the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD, all TEAM members stand behind the STARTING LINE in their ALLIANCE ZONE. The HUMAN PLAYERS are permitted to reach into the CORRAL to retrieve BALLS. Any control devices worn or held by the DRIVERS must be disconnected from the OPERATOR CONSOLE, and not connected until after the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation (stepping outside the designated area, or stepping across the STARTING LINE). Exceptions will be allowed in cases involving personal or OPERATOR CONSOLE safety.

<G50> TEAM Positions during TELEOPERATED PERIOD - During the TELEOPERATED PERIOD, the DRIVERS, COACH and HUMAN PLAYER may travel anywhere within the ALLIANCE STATION, but they must stay within the ALLIANCE STATION boundaries, and not step outside the designated area. Violation: One PENALTY for each violation. Exceptions will be allowed in cases involving TEAM member safety.

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

I've been wondering about something pertaining to the human player and haven't found a real answer to my question.

I'm wondering if the human player gets to choose where they are or is designated the position closest to their team's station?

Last year teams got to pick where their human player was positioned is it the same way this year?

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

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Originally Posted by andy174drive (Post 917614)

I believe that this will be the case.

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

You definately CAN run them to and from your trident people, and it seems like a great idea, as it would avoid a miss-thrown ball and accidental penalties incurred.

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But are the two non-trident human players allowed to place the ball into the trident to speed things up?

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

As Gary has previously stated using the rules, they only say that the trident must be used to place balls on the return rack. They say nothing prohibiting the ball return players to place the balls in the trident.

You can always check Q&A if you are still skeptical as none of our answers on chiefdelphi are guarenteed.

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Originally Posted by andy174drive (Post 917614)

In all of the FRC games I've played in HP Locations are usually decided on before the match by the teams involved.

There are no rules that prohibit starting locations of Human Players, and if they wanted to I believe they could switch positions during the match as long as they stay within the boundaries of the driver's station.

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Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 917555)

any team member (even the coach) can handle the ball.

Is this the first time that coaches have been allowed to handle game pieces?

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

The alliance members will talk while in line to determine where each Human Player will be.

Also my thoughts on the Human Player:
Build a trident and practice with soccer balls.
Walk/Run the ball to the middle player with the trident.
DO NOT THROW the ball, if you drop it and it rolls out of the Human Player designated area YOU WILL BE PENALIZED.
OUr team is going with the trategy of the Human Players take care of the ball, the Coach deals with the drivers issues.

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Originally Posted by jgannon (Post 917871)

Is this the first time that coaches have been allowed to handle game pieces?

No, they could hand the balls off in the 2004 game also.

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Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 917890)

No, they could hand the balls off in the 2004 game also.

If my memory serves correctly, they could be handled in 06 as well.

Re: Can human players bring the ball to the player with the trident?

Ok thanks everyone for your help...see you guys at the competition!!!