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Michael Corsetto 13-02-2010 22:31

Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Here is a quick clip of our roller for this years competition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QsjmuY_CP0

How do we do it? You guys are smart, I'm sure you can figure it out pretty quick. Neat huh? :D

BradMello 13-02-2010 22:34

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Is that spiraled surgical tubing?

It's really effective

TD78 13-02-2010 22:40

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Great job!

How well does it work when turning quickly? We found that most types of rollers we prototyped similar to this couldn't effectively keep the ball from flying off when turning quickly (turning slowly was a different story). Were you able to accommodate for fast turning?

dodar 13-02-2010 22:42

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
what are you using on the roller?

Alex Dinsmoor 13-02-2010 23:55

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 919673)
what are you using on the roller?

As BradMello said, it's probably spired surgical tubing. We're using spiraled rollers made of a different substance, and they too automatically direct the ball towards the center.

Dakota 14-02-2010 00:29

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
I thought that the robot can not hold on to the ball.

EricH 14-02-2010 00:37

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 919742)
I thought that the robot can not hold on to the ball.

The robot cannot carry the ball. Carrying is defined as possession not in contact with the ground.

Michael Corsetto 14-02-2010 02:26

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RollinTDollin (Post 919672)
Great job!

How well does it work when turning quickly? We found that most types of rollers we prototyped similar to this couldn't effectively keep the ball from flying off when turning quickly (turning slowly was a different story). Were you able to accommodate for fast turning?

Thanks! To be honest we haven't tested the system a lot while moving, it retains the ball really well when turning and backing up at not-so-intense speeds, but thats not competition level speeds IMO. We'll test more, and in addition to fine tuning the height of the roller, we're only moving the drivetrain forward when auto-tracking the goal (aka, to turn left, move the right side forward instead of right forward and left back). This should improve our odds of keeping the ball, if only slightly.

The roller is made out of a solid aluminum 3/8" shaft, wrapped with a 1" wide strip of Wedgetop tread, fastened to the shaft with pop rivets. The right half spirals counter clockwise towards the middle and the left half spirals clockwise to wards the middle, which causes the ball to funnel towards the middle.

solopilot 14-02-2010 10:35

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
We are using a 3" PVC pipe covered with a loosely wrapped anti slip mat.
The pipe and mat came from Home Depot.
A CIM motor drives it at about 600-800 RPM.

Ziaholic 15-02-2010 09:29

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Very nice! We're playing around with something similar ... still working on selecting the perfect material and/or spinner diameter.

One thing I did notice from the video is that the apparent point of contact is almost halfway up the ball. To me, it looked like it could've been more than 3" into the frame perimeter of the 'bot.

Make sure you take <G46> into account ...

Quote:

<G46> BALL Penetration Restriction – The BALL must not extend more than 3 inches inside the FRAME PERIMETER as defined in Rule <R19>. Violation: PENALTY for a basic infraction, plus a YELLOW CARD if no immediate attempt to remedy.

wendells 15-02-2010 09:34

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Nice, but don't you think other robots can steal your ball?

gorrilla 15-02-2010 09:38

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wendells (Post 920370)
Nice, but don't you think other robots can steal your ball?

I don't see how that could be possible due to this years rules.

Unless they lose control of the ball themselves, no one should be able to take it from them.

Daniel_LaFleur 15-02-2010 10:06

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Looks great.

I have one question though. How do you plan on not possessing more than 1 ball at a time? It looks like that roller will possess up to 3 balls.

EricLeifermann 15-02-2010 10:10

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 920373)
I don't see how that could be possible due to this years rules.

Unless they lose control of the ball themselves, no one should be able to take it from them.

How do you figure the rules prohibit robots from stealing balls from other robots?

carbuff2228 15-02-2010 10:28

Re: Team 1678's Autocentering Roller
 
hey cans you post a picture of your roller stopped because were trying the same thing and its not centering for us


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