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EricH

15-02-2010 18:16

[BB]Changes to Robot Ship

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Relief for the Mid-Atlantic teams, and the latest batch of control system updates. (Rules update should reflect this when it comes out.)

Chris is me

15-02-2010 18:30

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...wow. 65 pounds. That's most of the robot. Like, I think I'm going to push for witholding everything but the bumper frame and hanger now.

Thanks Bill for a clear explanation of why there is no extension and an alternate, creative solution.

IndySam

15-02-2010 18:31

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 920735)

We weighed in at 95.5 pounds today. Might be shipping a frame :)

Bochek

15-02-2010 18:33

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we only weigh in at 50lbs. waiting for the GDC to answer wither or not we even have to ship?

mathking

15-02-2010 18:35

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Usually we try to plan for the fact that we will miss some days due to snow. We have never missed less than two, and never more than 8. We haven't hit 8 yet this season, but with today gone, we might get there. This is a skillful compromise. The big problem this year is missing the entire fourth weekend, then half of the week following, and now likely a good chunk of the last week. Days lost late in the build season generally mean more lost work and less time to reschedule and make up for the losses.

viking

15-02-2010 20:57

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This may sound like sour grapes, but......we are a first week regional. We ONLY get 8 more days to work, while last week teams get another 6 weeks. Is that fair?

hyperdude

15-02-2010 21:24

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920881)

This may sound like sour grapes, but......we are a first week regional. We ONLY get 8 more days to work, while last week teams get another 6 weeks. Is that fair?

I think what makes it "fair" (or at least reasonable) is that each teams has the same maximum withholding: 65 pounds.
Surely the question of fairness would arise if only those teams who have been snowed in got to keep weight back, or if the amount changed depending on some arbitrary decision.

IndySam

15-02-2010 21:28

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920881)

This may sound like sour grapes, but......we are a first week regional. We ONLY get 8 more days to work, while last week teams get another 6 weeks. Is that fair?

But you are competing against teams with the same amount of build time and the 6 week teams are competing against other 6 week regional teams. Sounds fair to me.

AdamHeard

15-02-2010 21:31

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920881)

This may sound like sour grapes, but......we are a first week regional. We ONLY get 8 more days to work, while last week teams get another 6 weeks. Is that fair?

Every team is allowed equal opportunity to enter and compete; that is fair, and that's really where FIRSTs' efforts to make things fair should end.

viking

15-02-2010 22:23

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There is another thread with this same theme. I posted there and I will post here also..

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But you are competing against teams with the same amount of build time and the 6 week teams are competing against other 6 week regional teams. Sounds fair to me.

You are right. I am done with the craziness of robotics in a short amount of time, and some others will continue for another 6 weeks. Who is getting the better end of the deal.

But...there doesn't seem like everything is "fair", with teams going on to second regionals, and teams winning there way into Atlanta, can they withhold 65 pounds off there bot after the regional win and then work on that before Atlanta? I am just asking.

IndySam

15-02-2010 22:36

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920966)

There is another thread with this same theme. I posted there and I will post here also..

You are right. I am done with the craziness of robotics in a short amount of time, and some others will continue for another 6 weeks. Who is getting the better end of the deal.

But...there doesn't seem like everything is "fair", with teams going on to second regionals, and teams winning there way into Atlanta, can they withhold 65 pounds off there bot after the regional win and then work on that before Atlanta? I am just asking.

We won't know officially until update 11 comes out.

Scott358

15-02-2010 22:38

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Everything isn't fair, never has been, never will be.

Great lesson to teach the kids.

Chris is me

15-02-2010 22:41

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920966)

But...there doesn't seem like everything is "fair", with teams going on to second regionals, and teams winning there way into Atlanta, can they withhold 65 pounds off there bot after the regional win and then work on that before Atlanta? I am just asking.

Indeed they can. Every team has roughly equal opportunity to sign up for second regionals and pre register for Championships. Beyond that, if you want more time with said allowance, use this as motivation to fundraise for multiple events!

sami9145

15-02-2010 22:46

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this is a good update to hear because I know my team has lost a weekend and several other days due to bad weather and we are expected to get more -_- so its nice that we might not be in as big of an ordeal

BrendanB

15-02-2010 23:09

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I'm liking Bills Blog today! :D

But thank you for explaining why ship date cannot be pushed back for teams, very insightful.

eugenebrooks

16-02-2010 02:01

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Is a whole robot a "fabricated item," so to speak?

Eugene

Bochek

16-02-2010 08:24

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Originally Posted by eugenebrooks (Post 921090)

Is a whole robot a "fabricated item," so to speak?

Eugene

Theres a whole thread on this. Waiting for the GDC to respond to my Q+A post.

Foster

16-02-2010 08:30

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Originally Posted by Scott358 (Post 920983)

Everything isn't fair, never has been, never will be.

Great lesson to teach the kids.

As we say "Life isn't fair, the fair comes in July". Normally I get blank stares from the roboteers and snickers from the Mentors.

Daniel_LaFleur

16-02-2010 08:35

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Originally Posted by viking (Post 920881)

This may sound like sour grapes, but......we are a first week regional. We ONLY get 8 more days to work, while last week teams get another 6 weeks. Is that fair?

It is sour grapes.
Life isn't fair. FIRST isn't fair. Now get over it. ;)

Seriously though, welcome to the real world. It's wasted energy to complain about what you cannot control. Concentrate on what you can control and look for ways to give yourself and your team an advantage.

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