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seeing as how it's a piece of crap and only other other robot teams would have one lying around. No

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It's a Norgren valve, part number 16-004-011. It came loose in the Red tote.

Make sure you calibrate it before use...

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It's also the same part that has been in the KOP for years, so veteran teams can probably just pull one off of a previous year's robot. Maybe bring a few extra in case a rookie team is in need of one.

And, by the way, it's the same part you will need to put downstream of the regulator if you don't have documentation to show that your solenoid valves are rated at 125 psi. So you could need 3; 1 offboard, 1 on the 120 psi side set at ~125, and 1 on the 60 psi side set below your valve's pressure rating.

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Strong statement. Do you have any facts to back it up? We've been using them for 5 years and never had any problems at all. I'm not aware of any other local teams that have had any problems with them either.

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Still confused about bolt heads sticking out from the frame ...

If you have fastened something to the frame and the only thing sticking out from the frame is the bolt head (in this case 10x24 screw heads), do the screw heads have to be covered with clad aluminum as suggested above or do the screw heads fall under the exception give in update 6. Further note, the screw heads do not exceed the maximum dimensions of the robot.

Must the bumpers be "gouged out" to make room for the bolt heads so that the bumper back makes full contact along the frame?

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If the screw heads are in the Bumper zone, they are fine. If outside the bumper zone, they are a problem.

We created countersink indentions in the wood of our bumpers to make sure the bolt heads did not interfere with solid contact with the frame. So yes, it is a good idea.

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The first part is definitely correct.

As to the second part it is much more than a good idea. It is required in order to meet the <R07-M> requirement of full bumper-to-support contact.

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This is a good question. If it is required to have a 2nd pressure relief valve on the robot (when using off board compressor) then it should be put on the inspection checklist. Many inspectors won't go through the manual when checking the robot, they use the checklist.

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There is no way to make an inspection checklist inclusive of every item lest it become as large as the manual itself. If an inspector is unsure of a rule, they should see their LRI. If the LRI needs to research the issue, he or she will tell the RI to skip over that item and continue with the inspection until a clear ruling can be researched and made.

At least that's how I handle it...

Regards,

Mike

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Yep. While inspecting at Arizona, I ran across a team that had their relief valve away from their compressor on some brass fittings, and had their dump valve and a gauge on the compressor. "But it passed at X preseason!" "That's not official. This is." "But it passed at X preseason!" "One of you guys go get that guy in the black vest [the LRI] over at the inspection station, and we'll see what he says." A few minutes later, they were changing the system.

Or the team whose pressure never reached maximum... Or the one who manually started their compressor and stopped it automatically... I got the LRI's call on those two.

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If I remember correctly from looking at your robot in Milwaukee, the problem was with bolt heads that were protruding beyond the frame perimeter and were not behind the bumpers, making it necessary to expand your frame perimeter.

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FYI, at BMR I had to tell two teams that they had the wrong wire size for a 40 Amp breaker. Both had 14 gauge wire instead of the minimum size of 12 gauge.
14 goes with 30 Amp.

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I sent an email to the teams that were attending the Midwest Regional about a week before the event. Although it included the following, many teams had not yet updated the firmware. So as a reminder to week 4 and 5 teams, read the following...

Inspectors will be checking for the following issues:
You must have the latest firmware for Crio, Classmate and Jaguars. The latest Crio image must be 2010_V20, DS Firmware must be 10.02.08.00, and the Jaguar version is v89. The Jaguar firmware is required if you are using the CAN bus and is needed for safety and field control.

The DS firmware takes the longest to install (maybe 30 minutes) so don't expect that we can complete inspection, change your firmware to the right version and have you playing in the match that is coming up in fifteen minutes. We are good, but we are not miracle workers.

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The latest version of Jaguar firmware is v90: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84371

It looks like the recommendation is not to update unless you're experiencing a specific bug, so I guess that probably means your inspection should be checking for either v89 or v90, even though v89 is not the latest firmware.

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What happened to us was our programmer had downloaded all the latest stuff but installed the labview updates on the development computer and not the drive station. Please make sure you do both.