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psyco_klown 18-02-2010 04:45

pic: Window sprocket adaptor
 

GUI 18-02-2010 04:46

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Out of curiosity, how was this made? I'm guessing the splines were broached?

Travis Hoffman 18-02-2010 05:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GUI (Post 922717)
Out of curiosity, how was this made? I'm guessing the splines were broached?

Wire EDM / Lathe? First one to guess correctly gets one for free, right? :p

artdutra04 18-02-2010 06:58

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman
Wire EDM / Lathe? First one to guess correctly gets one for free, right?

You could make them with a 4mm keyway broach, but I'm guessing they were made via wire EDM, since it's a lot easier than lining up six broaches accurately. If I guessed right, Travis can have the free one since literally ten minutes ago I finished machining nine 18t 25-pitch Denso motor hubs for GUS. ;)



// Still laughing over the timing of our photos...

psyco_klown 18-02-2010 07:29

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Travis hoffman is correct. They were lathed first, then wire edm. They took about 1hr 1/2 to make. The adapter is made out of 7075 aluminum and weight less then the plastic adapter they give in the kit. We also created an AM sprocket adapter. We are looking at producing more for teams only if there is a demand for them. Well art you can stop by our pit on Saturday at suffield shakedown and check one out. Travis pm me and Ill send one out you can test with and give me feed back.



That is funny we posted about the same time

Jeff 801 18-02-2010 10:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04 (Post 922739)
You could make them with a 4mm keyway broach, but I'm guessing they were made via wire EDM, since it's a lot easier than lining up six broaches accurately. If I guessed right, Travis can have the free one since literally ten minutes ago I finished machining nine 18t 25-pitch Denso motor hubs for GUS. ;)


// Still laughing over the timing of our photos...


How do you plan on keeping the sprocket retained on the motor?

grosh 18-02-2010 10:14

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Originally Posted by Jeff 801 (Post 922839)
How do you plan on keeping the sprocket retained on the motor?

How much do you want for a set of four?

Mike Betts 18-02-2010 10:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by artdutra04 (Post 922739)
You could make them with a 4mm keyway broach, but I'm guessing they were made via wire EDM, since it's a lot easier than lining up six broaches accurately. If I guessed right, Travis can have the free one since literally ten minutes ago I finished machining nine 18t 25-pitch Denso motor hubs for GUS. ;)



// Still laughing over the timing of our photos...

Art,

NINE? You know that you're only allowed 2 windows on a robot... :eek:

JK... Nice Job...

Mike

JHSmentor 18-02-2010 10:29

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ummm - how do I get some? I wish we had the ability to do stuff like this.

EricLeifermann 18-02-2010 10:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Betts (Post 922852)
Art,

NINE? You know that you're only allowed 2 windows on a robot... :eek:

JK... Nice Job...

Mike

Pretty sure you are allowed 4 window motors on the robot, seeing as we received 4 in the kit.

=Martin=Taylor= 18-02-2010 11:44

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You better make sure those motors are always turning at the same speed...

...otherwise its bye-bye Mr. Denso :cool:

Mike Betts 18-02-2010 11:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 922881)
Pretty sure you are allowed 4 window motors on the robot, seeing as we received 4 in the kit.

Eric,

Thank you for pointing that out to me. We only received 2 last year and I missed the increase.

Regards,

mike

psyco_klown 18-02-2010 12:42

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the motors hold the adapter from moving. We already have taken care of the motors at moving different speeds.

jspatz1 19-02-2010 00:20

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We would be interested to know if you have any trouble with your Denso motors overheating and cutting out. We had two Densos mated exactly this way for our swerve steering, but had to switch to steering with a CIM because the Densos would overheat and stop. Perhaps on a kicker they do not run enough to be problem. They are window motors so for safety they are designed to cut out when they stall on something and heat up. Not really the ideal motor to build robots with.

artdutra04 19-02-2010 01:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 923644)
We would be interested to know if you have any trouble with your Denso motors overheating and cutting out. We had two Densos mated exactly this way for our swerve steering, but had to switch to steering with a CIM because the Densos would overheat and stop. Perhaps on a kicker they do not run enough to be problem. They are window motors so for safety they are designed to cut out when they stall on something and heat up. Not really the ideal motor to build robots with.

We did, but that's because the theoretical load I calculated was between 1/2 and 1/3 of the observed necessary torque*. Using this figure, I found we were loading the Denso motors to 20 amps... and their stall current is about 24 amps. :o So using the observed torque, I back tracked and redid the gear ratio to maximize the power output and lower the current draw to a reasonable amount.

* I've pinned the reason for the discrepancy down to a few SWAGs at coefficients of friction between different materials not listed in the commonly available engineering tables like Machinery's Handbook. In the future I'll probably perform tests to experimentally ascertain these values instead of guestimating values at 2am...


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