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Mark Rozitis 22-02-2010 23:07

HAM Radio exam
 
Here's one, how many of you have you're ham license (Canada or US) and how many think you have enough knowledge to pass?

Here is a link to the Canadian exam, it's 600 possible questions but you only get 100 of them on the actual exam.

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...h_sf05378.html

I would like to get my basic or maybe the advanced licence since I am also a member of Canwarn which is similar to skywarn, I bought one textbook and was talking to another news camera guy the other day who is a ham with an advanced licence and I soon realized how bad my math skills have become after 12 years in news so I have my work cut out for me.

Why do I have this feeling that 9 out of 10 people at a regional could pass this exam without studying? Try out the test on the exam generator software and see how you do.

Fyi, I tried to take the test two years ago and all was going well for the first minute until the administrator took by blackberry away and replaced it with a pencil, paper and a very basic calculator.

Al Skierkiewicz 22-02-2010 23:24

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Mark,
First off, congratulations on wanting to become a ham. WB9UVJ here, Extra Class.
US hams can also check the CQ magazine http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/ and QST magazine http://www.arrl.org/ websites for info and links to sample tests.

Mark Rozitis 22-02-2010 23:41

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 926847)
Mark,
First off, congratulations on wanting to become a ham. WB9UVJ here, Extra Class.
US hams can also check the CQ magazine http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/ and QST magazine http://www.arrl.org/ websites for info and links to sample tests.

This weekend driving home from up north I was listening on the scanner to one of the Ham/Canwarn frequencies and this now semi-retired electrical engineering professor was talking to someone who had the basic licence and wanted to get the advanced and as he was going through all the formulas and everything I soon realized that the best way to pass this exam is to take electrical engineering first, there's a lot you have to know.

Rick TYler 23-02-2010 02:07

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If you don't learn Morse, it's not really a ham license.

Al Skierkiewicz 23-02-2010 07:49

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Mark,
It's not that hard. I have not taken the Canadian license test but it surely must be close to the US test. A little review and you will see that you already know or have heard of the majority of it. Grade school students pass it all the time. As you are studying, if you don't understand something ask. There are a lot of hams on this forum and myself and Don Rotolo I am sure will help you as well as about 100 other hams here.

ebarker 23-02-2010 09:02

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How much CW activity exists today on HF ?

Ed

Al Skierkiewicz 23-02-2010 10:00

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It is the mode of choice for QRP and sometimes the only way to communicate in this low sunspot cycle that seems to be lagging forever. Certainly not as much as when you could only use CW as a novice or tech.

Foster 23-02-2010 10:08

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One of the cool events you can hold is a "Ham Cram" session. This is where they go over the basics of the test in the morning and then give the test in the afternoon. The Trenton Computer Fest did that for years. They had a good graduation success rate. While "teaching to the test" may get the ire up from others, it is a good way to get new Hams on the air.

Good luck and 73's from K3FXS.

Mark Rozitis 23-02-2010 19:47

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 926981)
Mark,
It's not that hard. I have not taken the Canadian license test but it surely must be close to the US test. A little review and you will see that you already know or have heard of the majority of it. Grade school students pass it all the time. As you are studying, if you don't understand something ask. There are a lot of hams on this forum and myself and Don Rotolo I am sure will help you as well as about 100 other hams here.

yes....I have heard that 9 year old's can pass this test as people in their 80's so I guess I just have to take the course and study, I want to do it though not just for the ham radio aspect of it but to brush up on skills in electronics and math that I have totally let slip over the 12-15 year's I've worked in news, with all those Motorola P25 encrypted and MotoTRBO systems coming online here in Ontario (end of scanning/news gathering), as well as the other troubles in the broadcasting business I have to seriously start thinking and planning for plan B, I'd love to stay with something that involves radio, electronics and technology but it's hard to get in anywhere these days.

If a plan B has to happen I want my next career to be something that I actually really enjoy doing and then it doesn't seem like work.

DonRotolo 23-02-2010 22:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick TYler (Post 926921)
If you don't learn Morse, it's not really a ham license.

Phooey! It sure is, dangnabbit.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ebarker (Post 927023)
How much CW activity exists today on HF ?

Tons, it is actually more popular than when you needed to pass a code test for your license. Just listen in the morse section of any band, 24/7. If there is propagation, you'll hear a crowded band.

Mark, if you read over the questions three or 4 times over 2-3 weeks, you'll probably pass. 9 year old or 88 year old, they have to study too. The basic electronics would be easy for an engineer, but the rules and procedures would not, so that degree won't help.

I used to run ham cram sessions, 2 hours of intense facilitated cram at the Trenton Computer Festival, and we had about a 60% pass rate (normal study results on over 90%). It works, but it is far from ideal.

Don't fret, forget about the math -just read all the questions, undertsnad what they are asking (this takes some effort, but not much), repeat 2 times, and go take the test - you'll pass.

If you need to pass morse code at 5 WPM, I can show you how, it's almost trivial.

Mark Rozitis 23-02-2010 22:19

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Mark, if you read over the questions three or 4 times over 2-3 weeks, you'll probably pass. 9 year old or 88 year old, they have to study too. The basic electronics would be easy for an engineer, but the rules and procedures would not, so that degree won't help.

Thanks, I guess I am too impatient in wanting to learn this and pass in one day then, the rules and regs would be the easier part for me as I seem to remember that stuff but listing to this retired professor on the radio on the scanner last weekend although he was coaching someone for the advance licence just listening to all those formulas and PI calculations made me A: turn off all my other radios and listen intently and B: wish I was 18 years old again and in electronics engineering class :)

Like you say 2-3 weeks, that's realistically what I'll need and keep in mind I'm working in news and severe weather all day so I don't have as much reading time as I'd like.

I want to do it though for sure.

mark

Al Skierkiewicz 24-02-2010 07:18

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We'll get you through this. Then you will have to learn how to buy new toys.

Mark Rozitis 24-02-2010 19:39

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 927771)
We'll get you through this. Then you will have to learn how to buy new toys.

Buying new toys especially of the electronic variety is something I am very familiar with hence the financial mess that I am currently in :)

DonRotolo 24-02-2010 21:05

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Time is relative. Bring a study book with you, if you're on your way to a shot and not driving, read instead. After setup, waiting for control to give you the go, read. Or, put the ENG mast into some power lines, and while waiting for the fire department and ambulances, read. :p

Al Skierkiewicz 24-02-2010 22:10

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Originally Posted by Mark Rozitis (Post 928152)
Buying new toys especially of the electronic variety is something I am very familiar with hence the financial mess that I am currently in :)

That I can't help you with.

Mark Rozitis 24-02-2010 22:40

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Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 928202)
Time is relative. Bring a study book with you, if you're on your way to a shot and not driving, read instead. After setup, waiting for control to give you the go, read. Or, put the ENG mast into some power lines, and while waiting for the fire department and ambulances, read. :p

Actually, I have the one study book and that's what I've been doing and it really helps keep me awake when it's slow as well, some evenings not much happening on the scanners and we just sit there waiting for an active incident and it's easy to fall asleep but reading this book has really kept me awake, I learn better in a classroom/lecture setting though and with five radios going all the time and having to listen it's not the best scenario but not too bad.

Mark Rozitis 24-02-2010 22:47

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Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 928254)
That I can't help you with.

Some of those ham radios are complicated to program! I remember looking at one a few years ago and it makes programming other radios feel so easy, with the scanners I use software from Butlel.nl and once you know the systems it's not hard at all.

Back when I worked one summer as a summer student at a Motorola dealer even that stuff wasn't as involved as the ham radio.

The trick there was programming everything so it would be as simple and direct as possible for the end user, whereas the little ham radio I looked at seemed to require a degree in rocket science to program, then again that's part of the hobby, makes it all interesting.

Now if they only made a radio that read MotoTRBO....I'd be a very happy camper right now.

I guess D-star is becoming popular with Ham radio now as well.

ECarlson 24-02-2010 23:50

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Do any of your local ham clubs have licensing classes? That's how I got re-involved in radio communications about a year and a half ago, after being away from it for a couple decades.

I attended a weekend Technician-class licensing class at a local amateur radio club (the class was free). Since I had a couple weeks to study before the licensing exam, and I only needed to do a tiny bit of additional studying for the Technician-class license, I did some extra studying for the General-class and the Extra-class licenses, and when exam day came, I took the tests for all 3 levels and got my Extra-class license.

The online license test sites were very helpful (at least in the US), and there are some online licensing guides, though there is a brand new set of questions for the Technician-class license in the US, so make sure you study the right questions.

There is a lot more to amateur radio than just Morse code and voice communication. There are dozens of digital modes, both data modes and voice modes, and all you need to use many of them, in addition to your radio, is a computer with a sound card.

The digital modes are fun to explore even if you only have a short-wave receiver. All you have to do is connect the radio's audio output into your sound card's input, then use any of dozens of programs (many free) to decode the digital modes.

Another very interesting area of Amateur Radio is Software Defined Radio (Google it for info), where much of the radio's functionality is provided by your computer (www.flex-radio.com is one good example, though there are others, and kits are available too).

And there are many other aspects of amateur radio that I haven't mentioned (and probably many aspects I haven't even learned about yet).

Stephi Rae 25-02-2010 00:14

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We now have 15 members of Team 190 with their amateur licenses. Two weeks ago, 9 of us took an hour to study questions from the test pool, after a day or two taking practice exams online and all passed the exam. Our radios arrived yesterday. Many of us are involved in, or looking into joining the WPI Wireless club on campus. Additionally, a few more students are looking at taking the licensing exam in a few weeks. It has been great fun :) (10 radios arrived on campus today. There are now 11 of the same radio floating around in the lab tuned in to the WPI repeater...)

-KF7HTJ

ECarlson 25-02-2010 00:29

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Originally Posted by Stephi Rae (Post 928334)
There are now 11 of the same radio floating around in the lab

Cool. Which radios did you all get? And, why did you all get the same radios?

Al Skierkiewicz 25-02-2010 07:40

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Mark,
As an avid HF person, the radios I use do not require a lot of programming. As a matter of fact two Heathkits that I have don't have any digital anything on them. (HW8 and HW101) Some of the programmable radios you see are actually setup memories and memory for your favorite operating modes. Used radios are available through ham fests and club members looking to move into new equipment. It is not as expensive as it first looks. My little Yaseu FT 817 is a great QRP (low power) radio that also covers the 2 meter and 450 ham bands. What it gives up in ease of use it returns in it's small size, low power and just plain old fun.

Stephi Rae 25-02-2010 16:04

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Originally Posted by ECarlson (Post 928338)
Cool. Which radios did you all get? And, why did you all get the same radios?

We got the Wouxun KG-UVD1P. It's a dual bad, dual frequency, dual display, and dual standby radio. We all got the same one because it was pretty cheap (around $100) new, and it was over $30 in shipping, so it was easy to split the shipping cost. It's not a name brand radio, but it has a lot of features, and the price was right for us poor college and high school kids. So far, they've been great! Really convenient for communicating when we have kids working on robot stuff in multiple buildings.

ECarlson 25-02-2010 16:41

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Originally Posted by Stephi Rae (Post 928602)
We got the Wouxun KG-UVD1P.

I suspected it was either that radio or the Puxing PX-777, which is a popular inexpensive single-band radio. I was considering both of those, but ended up with an ICOM IC-T7H dual band handheld, which is still pretty inexpensive. I almost went with the YAESU VX-3R, because it is so cool and tiny (you have to see one in person), but I wanted a little more output power, prefer the BNC antenna connector, and can use my own inexpensive AA NiMh rechargeable batteries, or even alkaline or lithium AA's in an emergency.

Mark Rozitis 26-02-2010 17:38

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Yes we do and I am going to check out a few of them, they start courses at various times of the year, just wan to find one with a good instructor as that can make all the difference.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ECarlson (Post 928327)
Do any of your local ham clubs have licensing classes? That's how I got re-involved in radio communications about a year and a half ago, after being away from it for a couple decades.

I attended a weekend Technician-class licensing class at a local amateur radio club (the class was free). Since I had a couple weeks to study before the licensing exam, and I only needed to do a tiny bit of additional studying for the Technician-class license, I did some extra studying for the General-class and the Extra-class licenses, and when exam day came, I took the tests for all 3 levels and got my Extra-class license.

The online license test sites were very helpful (at least in the US), and there are some online licensing guides, though there is a brand new set of questions for the Technician-class license in the US, so make sure you study the right questions.

There is a lot more to amateur radio than just Morse code and voice communication. There are dozens of digital modes, both data modes and voice modes, and all you need to use many of them, in addition to your radio, is a computer with a sound card.

The digital modes are fun to explore even if you only have a short-wave receiver. All you have to do is connect the radio's audio output into your sound card's input, then use any of dozens of programs (many free) to decode the digital modes.

Another very interesting area of Amateur Radio is Software Defined Radio (Google it for info), where much of the radio's functionality is provided by your computer (www.flex-radio.com is one good example, though there are others, and kits are available too).

And there are many other aspects of amateur radio that I haven't mentioned (and probably many aspects I haven't even learned about yet).


Mark Rozitis 26-02-2010 17:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephi Rae (Post 928334)
We now have 15 members of Team 190 with their amateur licenses. Two weeks ago, 9 of us took an hour to study questions from the test pool, after a day or two taking practice exams online and all passed the exam. Our radios arrived yesterday. Many of us are involved in, or looking into joining the WPI Wireless club on campus. Additionally, a few more students are looking at taking the licensing exam in a few weeks. It has been great fun :) (10 radios arrived on campus today. There are now 11 of the same radio floating around in the lab tuned in to the WPI repeater...)

-KF7HTJ

1 hour of study and two days of practice, that's not bad but then if you did that after build season you probably know half of it anyways, at least the theory and electronics engineering part of it, still that's pretty good.

I'm probably going to go for it soon before severe weather season starts as I am in canwarn up here as well as working in news so it would be nice to have.

Mike9966 26-02-2010 17:51

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Hi all, I just wanted to throw a plug in for SDRs, or Software defined radios. The Flex was mentioned, but it's pretty pricy at this time.

A cool, you get to build it yourself, setup is a little guy called a Softrock. Google it. There is a Yahoo group dedicated to just that.

Basically, you put together the $65 kit and connect it to a stereo mic input on your computer, load the software, connect the antenna and you are ready to go with a low power HF rig.

It is really cool and I think it's the way much of the hobby will be going in the future.

Good luck, and join the club, we are friendly. :D

Mike
KB0ozn

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