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At Kettering penalties weren't really issued for this, but we all got to know our good friend <G46>, he shows up once or twice a match to remind us where our balls belong.

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@tomato soup:
...must not make joke about balls...


However, its not really fair not to issue penalties for some teams, and not others (nationally).

For example, in Rochester, a powerful kicker that sometimes kicked out of bounds was unacceptable due to the amount of penalties given. It sounds like the opposite at your regional, since kicking out of bounds gave no penalties.

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G46 was so common that I just started to tune it out, and I guess our ref figured if it wasn't intentional then it wasn't a penalty, and it's not like anyone was doing that. A few other common were G36, and a rule that escapes me about not touching a robot while they're entering finale

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The funny thing was that FLR, the MC, every time he heard about a G46 would yell BALL PENETRATION VIOLATION! It got seriously annoying after a while...

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I actually think all of the kicking out of bounds was unintentional, so no penalties on that

also, please do secure your batteries well. As the poster above me said, we had a robot drop their battery and break the field. Very literally too. The blue alliance got a negative score on the live update and we waited 20 minutes for the actual final score. Also, it's not very fun when a robot breaks down, blocking your goal (boringest gave for human player ever)

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Peachtree was no different in that <G46> was by far the most frequently called penalty. The other significant penalties were <G35> finale protection, and the back-bot rule <G29>.

I did not see any DOGMA penalties by anyone. Of course, most matches were rather low-scoring, so it is hard to incur such penalty.

Our team probably was one of the more penalized teams (We got red carded for <G35>, and had at least two 3+ penalty matches :facepalm: ), and thus, were not selected for an alliance.

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at peachtree, there were 98 <G46> penalties called.
evenly distributed, that's exactly two per team
(i have access to these numbers cause i live with the head ref :p )

there was only one match i recall that was DOGMA'd really bad, and that team got 22 penalties because the ball fell off the ramp onto the field without going through the ball counter

the only other big one i can remember at peachtree is after autonomous, a lot of robots' kickers remained outside the frame perimeter, and so were penalized

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I think the G46 penalty was applied with good rationale at the Granite State regional. Teams that landed on top of balls that they couldn't see while going over bumps were not penalized. Other times a ball or two would get shoved under one robot by another one, and those didn't seem to be penalized either. It all seemed pretty fair.

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The most common penalty from my viewpoint was the G46-ball under bot penalty, which, "thanks" to our "refs" at the BAE Granite State Regional, one ball apparently counts multiple times if other robots are shoving you back onto the ball while you're attempting to drive off.

Awesome job, GDC and refs! WEEEW! :rolleyes:

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Haha, apparently we were watching different matches... I'm sure some refs took the rule a little too literally. :eek:

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The most common penalties I saw (as a referee) were G30 and G46. G30 penalties had a few main causes.
1) Expansion to hang too early without touching the tower. That's awfully silly and easily avoided.
2) Machine Gun Kicking. A surprisingly high number of teams didn't know that just because their kicker could fire 4/second, they can't actually fire it that fast. Most of these were Friday penalties, and teams learned by Saturday, which is good.
3) Not retracting kicker. Most of these were in automode. A few teams would kick, and leave their kicker out. Few teams got this more than once, I think.

G46 had a handful of causes.
1) Mechanium robots with a piece of pneumatic tubing/wire/latex tubing/some joke like that to keep balls out from the side of the robot. Once the strafe into a ball, it pops right under the robot. If you can drive sideways, you'll want to really keep balls from just going under the robot.
2) Pushing balls up the ramp. How often must you try to push a ball up, get a penalty, and try again, just to get another penalty, before you give up? If you need to get a ball over a bump, you almost must shoot it.
3) Balls that somehow randomly popped under a robot as they drove around. No clue what did it, but it somehow happens and they just drive right over it. Strangest phenomenon.

Other penalties are violations of hanging protection. If you're redbot stuck in blue zone with 5 seconds left, do yourself a favor and don't try something funny like driving through the tunnel/over the bump without good reason. You're asking to get in trouble that way.

Just my observations.